Defense grid seems really bad. Shuts off all our protective spells on our opponents turns. Just makes their kill spells sorcery speed. Not being able to vines or apostles blessing my dudes seems bad.
Dark deal is just bad. It's just straight card disadvantage. you spend a card then sac your hand and draw 1 less cards.. you're out 2 cards and you payed 3 mana.
I do not think Golgari Grave troll belongs anywhere near this deck. I understand it's to help fuel become immense but It's totally not worth it. Not only do you have to magically get the troll into the Graveyard to you have to waste a turn not drawing a card just to make a spell that may or may not be in your hand cheaper. Also casting troll is just outa the question, a 5 drop in a deck that wants to win on turn 3. This whole package is just durdly and slow and the opposite of what Infect wants to do. The longer the game goes the higher chance us loosing is real.
Sorry to rain on the parade but It's mind blowing to me how bad that list is.
I Like the name Prime time for spaghetti, but hey that's just me. They're calling it spaghetti and meatballs on the live feed but meh I don't like that name.
Lately I have ran 1-2 Combust in my sideboard, i've found its really nice against pod. It deals with so many their hard to deal with creatures (The ever annoying Rhino, Restoration angel, Linvala, Archangel of thune) Also hits finks/voice in a pinch. Even killing off a Sin collector so they can't pod into a 4drop is nice. It's obviously good in other match ups as well but just my .02 for extra help in the pod match.
I like the list. not sure I see the point in running snaps though. Also 11 shocks seems like quite a lot, maybe that's alright when you have 2 gnaw in the main.
Little off topic but has anyone looked at the spoilers? I may be way off but that 5drop 4/4 elemental seems pretty strong. Great anti wrath card and getting a free creature every turn is awesome. Not to mention like 50% of our deck is creatures and they all gain the ability to morph for their cmc. Flipping up silver bullets as we need then seems good. It's like a top of the curve card that I feel really seals up the game. If it resolves you get another 6 power on board and you aren't worried about a anger or wrath effect.
Is there a solid sideboard guide for the various UWR control builds? The primer is pretty dated so if anyone can give me advice or point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.
@APEX:
Would love to see your list and some notes on how the games went/what you sided and what you are general thoughts are
Sorry for the delay, the list I ran can be seen below. As for the matchups ill go over what I remember in detail.
Match 1
Game 1 was UR Delver. I saw a quick win in game 1. My opponent was new to the archetype and didn't play as well as he could. A game 1 chalice for 1 locked him out of the game. He was smart enough to land a young pyromancer and cast his 1 drops anyways to fuel pyros on cast ability. He also fueled his GY for treasure cruise but valakut triggers were to much.
Game two after sideboard my matchup is even better. Siding in a 3rd chalice and 4th anger amongst a couple other cards. I stumbled on lands and never saw any of my SB cards he quickly took game 2. Game three on the play with chalice and anger in hand. Needless to say it did not end well for him. He eventually remanded a Titan which landed me a free trap emrakul for the win.
Match 2
Second opponent was GBu blue splash for cruise and snappy. Sideboard he had counter magic
To become more controlling. Overall he just got overrun. Game 1 he never got a Thoughtseize or inquisition so I ramped fast into a prime time for the kill.
Game two wasn't much better for
Him. He sided in counters as he didn't see trap game 1. He spell
Snared my sarkura to meet a quick fate of trap emrakul.
Match 3
My third opponent was playing living end. Game 1 was close. I had 3 copies of through the breach and nothing to cast. My opponent combos off at my eot, he leaves me 2 points short of death. I find a primeval Titan off the top. I through the breach it for the double trigger. getting me to grab 2 valakut Swing and grab the third followed by a mountain. He has there creatures on board. I ping each of them for 1 and follow up with a anger to exile his board. He died 2 turns later form valakut triggers.
Game two I turn 1 chalice for zero. On his turn four he destroys the chalice with the evoke red creature setting up his combo next turn. Lucky for me I untap on my turn 4 with a slaughter games and he scoops.
Match 4
Scapeshift by far my best matches of the night. I out played his every move. Partially due to him not knowing what I was playing. And partially due to my having playtested the matchup a lot (I found it to be a harder one prior to my current sideboard options)
Game 1 was super tense. He remanded my turn 2 sarkura and I missed on the trap. My opponent was *****ting bricks but I didn't get the win that easy. The game went long and I landed a baloth, I was very conservative with my life total being at 22. My opponent played his 7th land tapped played sarkura and passed with cryptic mana up. My board was 7 mana. Hand was chalice emrakul primeval Titan and through the breach. I eot through the breach. Either he cryptics this now or waits until my turn to tap the emrakul or loose (he was at 13 life.) Either way it sets me up for a prime time in my second main. He lets the emrakul resolve. I top deck a mountain. I attack and as planned he taps out to tap emrakul to survive. I slam the 8th land and play chalice on 4. He scoops realizing his scapeshift and cryptics are offline.
Game two I ramp out faster than him and force him to counter a creature. I get the free emrakul and quickly cleanup afterwords. Overall game two was heavily favored for me post board.
Match 5 esper control
This guy is a local and a very experienced control player. He commonly makes top 4 at our modern events which typically run 16-25 players. We run a really competitive modern scene at my LGS.
Anyways as I've never played this deck at FNM before he was caught off guard. Game 1 his esper charm discard two gave me a free baloth. This game was Grindy. Eventually we both were flooding out which is beneficial to the deck running valakut.
Game two my hand was picked a part with 3 Thoughtseize. I wasn't able to keep enough card advantage to outrun his counters and I was beaten down by a tar-pit. (I did hit a fetch with valakut online so I was able to sac in response to his animation, but he had the pre combat tech edge to destroy valakut)
Game three again felt like a loosing battle. 2 thoightseize and inquisition ripped my ramp and phatties out of the game. However after he ripped my primeval Titan away I top decked a spell breaker behemoth. He had no removal to answer the threat and I top decked a uncounter-able inferno Titan the turn after to clock him out of the game.
Overall I had a ton of fun, I made mistakes as it was the first time in a real paper tournament playing the deck but I certainly learned from them. I feel the deck is really well positioned in the meta, especially with the black splash. I'll be attending a local PPTQ this Sunday and I intend to run the deck again.
I apologize in advance if this is poorly written my PC is outa commission and my finger are bleeding. Be smashing this phone after I post this.
Also people have be commenting on what we should call the deck. As primeval Titan and emrakul are the main wincons I think a suitable name would be
Prime time for spaghetti.
PS the deck list is off memory. Maybe 1 card short dunno what it is tho!
Played this deck at FNM last night. Went 5-0 totally crushing the field. Was a lot of fun. My list is pretty close to the GB Madrid deck. MVP was Spellbreaker Behemoth in the sideboard (2 of)
Decks I faced were
Round 1 UR Delver 2-1
Round 2 GBu (GB with snapcaster and cruise) 2-0
Round 3 Scapeshift 2-0
Round 4 Living end 2-0
Round 5 Esper Control 2-1
If you want more info on my deck or the games lemme know. Heading to bed for now though.
CMC 5
2 Golgari Grave Troll
CMC 4
4 Vengevine
4 Sidisi
CMC 3
1 Skaab Ruinator
2 Stinkweed Imp
CMC 2
4 Lotleth Troll
3 Grisly Salvage
2 Glimpse the Unthinkable
CMC 1
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Hedron Crab
4 Grave Crawler
4 ThoughtScour
Land 22
Sorry to rain on the parade but It's mind blowing to me how bad that list is.
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Necrotic Ooze
2 Borborygmos Enraged
4 Griselbrand
4 Grisly Salvage
4 Soul Spike
4 Lightning Axe
4 Goryo's Vengeance
4 Faithless Looting
1 Unburial Rites
1 Jarad's Orders
2 Zombie Infestation
2 Swamp
1 Cavern of Souls
3 Marsh Flats
3 Copperline Gorge
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Temple Garden
1 Stomping Ground
1 Godless Shrine
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
4 Pack Rat
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Thoughtseize
1 Cavern of Souls
15 cards
Sorry for the delay, the list I ran can be seen below. As for the matchups ill go over what I remember in detail.
Match 1
Game 1 was UR Delver. I saw a quick win in game 1. My opponent was new to the archetype and didn't play as well as he could. A game 1 chalice for 1 locked him out of the game. He was smart enough to land a young pyromancer and cast his 1 drops anyways to fuel pyros on cast ability. He also fueled his GY for treasure cruise but valakut triggers were to much.
Game two after sideboard my matchup is even better. Siding in a 3rd chalice and 4th anger amongst a couple other cards. I stumbled on lands and never saw any of my SB cards he quickly took game 2. Game three on the play with chalice and anger in hand. Needless to say it did not end well for him. He eventually remanded a Titan which landed me a free trap emrakul for the win.
Match 2
Second opponent was GBu blue splash for cruise and snappy. Sideboard he had counter magic
To become more controlling. Overall he just got overrun. Game 1 he never got a Thoughtseize or inquisition so I ramped fast into a prime time for the kill.
Game two wasn't much better for
Him. He sided in counters as he didn't see trap game 1. He spell
Snared my sarkura to meet a quick fate of trap emrakul.
Match 3
My third opponent was playing living end. Game 1 was close. I had 3 copies of through the breach and nothing to cast. My opponent combos off at my eot, he leaves me 2 points short of death. I find a primeval Titan off the top. I through the breach it for the double trigger. getting me to grab 2 valakut Swing and grab the third followed by a mountain. He has there creatures on board. I ping each of them for 1 and follow up with a anger to exile his board. He died 2 turns later form valakut triggers.
Game two I turn 1 chalice for zero. On his turn four he destroys the chalice with the evoke red creature setting up his combo next turn. Lucky for me I untap on my turn 4 with a slaughter games and he scoops.
Match 4
Scapeshift by far my best matches of the night. I out played his every move. Partially due to him not knowing what I was playing. And partially due to my having playtested the matchup a lot (I found it to be a harder one prior to my current sideboard options)
Game 1 was super tense. He remanded my turn 2 sarkura and I missed on the trap. My opponent was *****ting bricks but I didn't get the win that easy. The game went long and I landed a baloth, I was very conservative with my life total being at 22. My opponent played his 7th land tapped played sarkura and passed with cryptic mana up. My board was 7 mana. Hand was chalice emrakul primeval Titan and through the breach. I eot through the breach. Either he cryptics this now or waits until my turn to tap the emrakul or loose (he was at 13 life.) Either way it sets me up for a prime time in my second main. He lets the emrakul resolve. I top deck a mountain. I attack and as planned he taps out to tap emrakul to survive. I slam the 8th land and play chalice on 4. He scoops realizing his scapeshift and cryptics are offline.
Game two I ramp out faster than him and force him to counter a creature. I get the free emrakul and quickly cleanup afterwords. Overall game two was heavily favored for me post board.
Match 5 esper control
This guy is a local and a very experienced control player. He commonly makes top 4 at our modern events which typically run 16-25 players. We run a really competitive modern scene at my LGS.
Anyways as I've never played this deck at FNM before he was caught off guard. Game 1 his esper charm discard two gave me a free baloth. This game was Grindy. Eventually we both were flooding out which is beneficial to the deck running valakut.
Game two my hand was picked a part with 3 Thoughtseize. I wasn't able to keep enough card advantage to outrun his counters and I was beaten down by a tar-pit. (I did hit a fetch with valakut online so I was able to sac in response to his animation, but he had the pre combat tech edge to destroy valakut)
Game three again felt like a loosing battle. 2 thoightseize and inquisition ripped my ramp and phatties out of the game. However after he ripped my primeval Titan away I top decked a spell breaker behemoth. He had no removal to answer the threat and I top decked a uncounter-able inferno Titan the turn after to clock him out of the game.
Overall I had a ton of fun, I made mistakes as it was the first time in a real paper tournament playing the deck but I certainly learned from them. I feel the deck is really well positioned in the meta, especially with the black splash. I'll be attending a local PPTQ this Sunday and I intend to run the deck again.
I apologize in advance if this is poorly written my PC is outa commission and my finger are bleeding. Be smashing this phone after I post this.
Also people have be commenting on what we should call the deck. As primeval Titan and emrakul are the main wincons I think a suitable name would be
Prime time for spaghetti.
PS the deck list is off memory. Maybe 1 card short dunno what it is tho!
4 Emrakul
4 Primeval Titan
2 Obstinate Baloth
1 Inferno Titan
4 search for tomorrow
2 farseek
3 Anger of the gods
3 Summoning Trap
4 Through the breech
2 Chalice of the Void
4 Stomping Ground
1 Blood Crypt
8 Mountains
2 Forest
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Slaughter Games
1 Boil
1 Sowing Salts
1 Choke
2 Combust
2 Spellbreaker Behemoth
1 Chalice of the void
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 shatterstorm
1 Anger of the gods.
Decks I faced were
Round 1 UR Delver 2-1
Round 2 GBu (GB with snapcaster and cruise) 2-0
Round 3 Scapeshift 2-0
Round 4 Living end 2-0
Round 5 Esper Control 2-1
If you want more info on my deck or the games lemme know. Heading to bed for now though.