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  • posted a message on B&R Announcement: Nexus of Fate banned from Standard, Arena only
    Quote from mapccu »
    I dunno if I like this approach. If the card is leading to undesirable game states online, why would I want to bet $70usd on tournament entry and risk losing to looped turns as well. How is that any more desirable.

    I play turns in modern for fun every now, but if it was a legit deck I wouldn't want to see it very often. Watching someone else play magic for 10 min at a time isn't fun. Even victories against these strats feel hollow.

    This also sets precedence to set market expectations. If the natural progression is to ban in arena and then ban in paper there could be quite a heavy impact on the price barrier. Now players are forced with the unfortunate choice of do I buy/trade for this card that obviously has a target on it even though it yields me the best chance of spiking this tournament - or play it safe and take a known quantity that may have a slightly better than abysmal chance against the rest of the field but beats that deck?

    I'll have to stew on this one for awhile. On the bright side I'm glad they are at least paying atttention.


    The article has been pretty clear about it that the problem is the Magic Arena client and not Nexus of Fate. In paper there are judges and shortcuts. In the Magic Online client you will simply time out and lose the match if you want to loop endlessly. Arena has none of those things so you can actually loop endlessly and there is nothing you can do about it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Dredge has failed to put up consistent top results and Looting doesn't trigger Creeping Chill either.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Alex Olsen who made 3rd place at GP Oakland ran 3 Serum Visions along with 4 Opt in his list.

    Is instant speed good to trigger miracle? Of course. But Scry 2 also help you in getting it there in the first place or prevents it from being there.
    The advantage of Hieroglyphic Illumination is its dual nature by being both a cantrip and a card advantage spell. Olsen decided that additional sources of Scry was better and that's OK. Since there is no real or wrong way to build it. Just preferences.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from 13055 »


    UW control is a really powerful deck that *****s on less refined/ bad decks.


    ... Is there a top tier deck that doesn't ***** on less refined/bad decks?


    Depends obviously. Look at Burn vs Soul Sisters/Matyr Proc for example.

    The reason you can claim that decks like UW/x, GB/x and Deaths Shadow decks are particular good at doing it is because they are pretty much goodstuff decks that are not built around synergies while they can deal with opposing synergies.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from Arkmer »
    Fluff is correct that sweepers are not in short supply nor are they very slow, the issue we have is that they are easily made irrelevant. If more sweepers were relevant they would be used, instead we see Terminus acting as the majority of sweepers.

    No other sweeper acts like Terminus, and it is how Terminus acts that makes it better in this meta than the other sweepers. Is this a problem with sweepers or is this a problem with the meta? I say the meta. I can resolve Supreme Verdict easily, but that'll only stop Bloodghast for a moment, stop Phoenix for a moment, Amalgam for a moment. I can resolve my Uncounterable Gold Standard Sweeper easily, after I Path that hexproof Queller, after I Path that Freebooter protected by Meddling Mage. I think we can all agree that Supreme Verdict is and should be the gold standard of sweeper, right? Seriously, does anyone disagree? Well... It's not right now, it's bad right now, it doesn't accomplish that much right now. Many decks in the format easily make it irrelevant, so if this is to be the premium sweeper for Modern I would suggest we do some fixing to bring this back.

    When did aggro become so resilient? It wasn't this resilient in the past. It never had time to look into my hand and snatch the answer I spent time, resources, and risk retrieving. Not without being called midrange, at least, and midrange wouldn't leave me at 7 life on T3 or 4 while doing it.

    We have talked endlessly about how permanent based grave removal like RIP and Void do not do the job quite well enough to really push out these grave based aggro decks. In fact, while not aggro itself, we just banned a deck for being entirely too resilient against this type of hate and then continued to comment about how our sideboards aren't really changing. It is all too common and too easy for these decks to sift, find answers to hate, and keep pressure at the same time. I don't think we need more sweepers, I think we need a better answer to the graveyard being a second and better hand that "casts" things for free via abilities.

    How we do that... Jeez, that's a little beyond me.

    EDIT: Let me also say that I think Humans and Spirits are fine despite my ribbing of them, but them in concert with the grave decks drive me a little bananas.


    So why is Supreme Verdict somehow supposed to be the gold standard?
    There isn't much reason to use when you can enable Terminus. Being uncounterable only matters against like GDS and Merfolk I guess. And then Terminus is cheap enough to respond to counter attempts with you own spells.
    And this is not a Modern exclusive thing either. In other formats people are playing with it too and stuff like Toxic Deluge.

    Like I said before. Terminus was always going to get played. It's like the best wrath ever printed. We just lacked viable ways to make it work and now they are there.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Furthermore, Preordain and Ponder both have restrictions. They can only look at 3-4 cards.

    Also I don't think many people are actually considering Ponder for an unbanning any time soon. Yes, if the Preordain "project" is successful, then yes, maybe we will look at Ponder in the future. But right now, I think many Modern players believe Preordain to be a less powerful card than Ancient Stirrings.


    Based on 'SFM cannot come off, look at UW' from Wizards, I'll NEVER hold out for Preordain or Ponder, ever.


    Which shouldn't be expected from anyone at all now IMO. Not only are there the UW/x decks but obviously Izzet Phoenix too. Unbanning cards that make already good decks even better is a real and obvious risk and I don't think Wizards is in for that.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from Pokken »
    Quote from Galerion »


    SFM is at its best in an UW/x shell. That was true in Standard, it's true in Legacy and there is no reason to assume that it wouldn't be so in Modern and that's the problem because results are results.



    Not to pick any nits but the most successful long term deck using SFM has been mono white Legacy D&T without any doubt at all. UW Stoneblade has been in and out numerous times and not nearly as consistently powerful. You could argue successfully that Cawblade was more dominant but I'd say that's more an issue with putting a ton of eternal playable UW cards in a standard format.

    I can see the argument for blue being the best SFM vehicle in Modern but lacking Force of Will pushes you pretty hard down the black path if you want to play tapout midrange.

    The combination of Assassin's Trophy and Path to Exile makes me think it's just as likely Abzan is the best SFM deck as Esper or UW. Especially when we think about the high likelihood of it being a thoughtseize deck.

    Too many variables to figure out for sure though. I'm not even sure it'd wind up being viable, though Stoneforge for Batterskull does solve a lot of problems current aggro decks present.


    Well by forgoing Blue you are forgoing stuff like countermagic, Snapcaster Mage, Jace, The Mind Sculptor and Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. One of the reasons GDS has become the defacto Death's Shadow deck is because of its access to countermagic and the fact that Snapcaster is so good in grindy games and that's something that non-Blue decks have trouble dealing with and you can actually protect yourself and your stuff from all kind of things instead of just hoping they don't have it.

    It might not be provable what the best SFM shell would be but I imagine a SFM deck as a grindy deck since that's what the card naturally facilitates and when it comes to grinding the power level of the Blue cards is quite obvious and proven.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on UW Control
    Quote from jayjayhooks »
    KCI was one of the most played decks, not really sure where you're getting this information from. It was like 7% of the online meta and an even bigger portion of day 2 decks in paper.


    I actually have to ask where getting that from?

    This is the day 2 of GP Oakland and that was the strongest showing the deck ever had.


    You can also check MTGTop8
    https://www.mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO


    KCI was never at any point one of the most played decks or even heavily played which was part of its controversy because it put up disproportionate amounts of good results compared to how often it actually was played. Kinda similar to Amulet Titan before Summer Bloom was banned.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Well like I said. I can only shrug my shoulders at this announcement. I would have liked to see a Preordain and/or a Stoneforge Mystic unban but I can accept it and I can see where WotC is coming from. I think a lot people in here don't when it comes to SFM.

    SFM is at its best in an UW/x shell. That was true in Standard, it's true in Legacy and there is no reason to assume that it wouldn't be so in Modern and that's the problem because results are results. UW/x based decks have performed very well over this year and the big three of them are obviously both Control decks in from of Jeskai and Azorius and then of course Spirits. The thing about them is they are all fair decks and they are actually pretty decent against other fair decks. Would SFM go into any these? Maybe not but it would certainly spawn another UW/x based deck that by its nature would probably be very good against other fair decks.

    You would have Tribal Aggro, Control and the SFM deck which would probably be Midrange so what would be the problem? Well that's not the only way to look at it and color diversity has been shown to be a concern too and with SFM it might become a concern that if you want to play a fair deck UW/x is the only real way to go. I mean Death's Shadow decks and BG/x decks still exist and put up results but they don't have easy games against the UW decks and would rather face something else the entire day. SFM certainly wouldn't make that better.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on "What Deck Should I Play" thread
    I must say that I would hardly classify Amulet as a Combo deck to begin with. The old versions with Hive Mind sure. But the ones with Primeval Titan as the main game plan are pretty much Ramp decks just like Tron. All the land interactions just feel combo-y
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on UW Control
    Quote from jayjayhooks »
    Anyone have any thoughts on how the KCI ban will effect us? How the meta might shift and how we might react to it?

    I'm just coming back the last couple of months, so I'm not too familiar with how KCI impacted the meta to begin with. I remember Tron having a larger presence, was it's down tick due to a KCI meta at all?

    The only thing I'm relatively sure of is that now I definitely don't want to be on main deck RIP. One the best matches for it is gone.


    Always hard to make predictions like this but I would say that nothing much changes. KCI was a fringe deck in terms of meta share after all.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from The Fluff »
    Was looking for cards for testing in my homebrew deck, then found Zacama, Primal Calamity.
    I was wondering why is it a 10 dollar card. Are the people in Standard actually able to hard cast it? Or being used someplace else, in another format?


    In Standard certainly no Tier deck is casting that card. In cases like this it is safe to always assume Commander is the reason.
    A 9 mana Mythic Rare Legendary Dinosaur. That's as hard a Timmy creature as it can get. Perfect for the format.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Post Guilds of Ravnica: Jeskai Control
    Quote from ariscotle »
    Quote from idSurge »
    I would start with the France World Cup list up a few posts.

    https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/proven-standard/798841-post-guilds-of-ravnica-jeskai-control?page=4#c84

    I would then look at adding Absorb and maybe even some numbers of Quench, as right now (Arena) there is a flood of very fast red decks and you'll need those points of life.


    Thanks for the advice... seems reasonable to just start with that French list and work from there. Absorb seems nice. Quench in SB for what matchups? We're not running it main are we? Diet Mana Leak


    I haven't thought about updates to my list but I would definitely say that Quench has mainboard potential and the synergy with Teferi, Hero of Dominaria is not be overlooked. Getting to play him and then still being able to snipe stuff like The Eldest Reborn, Conclave Tribunal, Ixalan's Binding, Vraska's Contempt or stuff like Vivien Reid is huge.

    Realistically most losses will be by being overwhelmed in the early game and then never stabilizing so playing around Quench will be tough for the opponent. If they want to delay their good spells for 2 turns they won't have it any easier because by then your card advantage spells, sweepers and hard counters are all active.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 26/11/2018)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from Galerion »


    I don't support any bans currently so there is nothing on that front.


    You legit think the format is fine? I cant. I cant look at KCI's win rate and top 8 conversion rate in comparison to its meta share, and say that its 'fine'.


    Yes, I do.
    I mean let's turn this around. Krark-Clan Ironworks is banned. Now what?

    Then the format is suddenly fine? UW/x, BG/x, Humans, Spirits, Burn, Dredge, Tron, Titan, Scales, GDS, Storm, Hollow One, etc. all aren't going anywhere.
    It's one thing to look at numbers absolutely objectively and say this might be better than others. It could be a problem.
    It's another one when it becomes about personal enjoyment. When I play the game I certainly don't think "man those few KCI decks that I never face are way too good and ruin my fun". That's not how it works.

    If anybody claims that a single deck that doesn't even has a high metashare is the only reason they are not enjoying a format and think it's not fine then they are only fooling themselves. KCI hasn't even shown to be a deck that suppresses certain kind of strategies. Decks like Phoenix on the other hand have definitely shown to annihilate certain kind of strategies. So you can ban KCI and it will do absolutely nothing because the format will be just as it is now just without KCI.
    What an outstanding job! Well done. You have done something absolutely inconsequential instead of powering up other things via unbans.

    If that line of action makes someone personally happy then whatever. I would only shake my head and shrug my shoulders in the face of it.

    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 26/11/2018)
    Quote from DeFish »
    After the frenzy that the Modern community in general has whipped itself into for this B&R, 'no changes' would be a hilarious outcome. Bonus points for no changes across the board with no further explanations for any format.


    I wouldn't be mad about it.
    Sure it would be time to finally unleash Stoneforge Mystic after her partner-in-crime Jace, The Mind Sculptor was already released but that's also pretty much it. I mean I also would be for unbanning Preordain but I guess with Phoenix being the new hot thing I guess we can forget about that. Thanks Arclight Phoenix Mad

    I don't support any bans currently so there is nothing on that front.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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