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  • posted a message on Commander Climate Survey
    Quote from Melkor »
    This is a great idea. The 'banned as Commander' question didn't have a place to expand, but I would like to see a number of the banned cards banned as commanders but legal in the 99. Rofellos is busted as a commander, but it would just be another good ramp card in the 99
    I feel that way about Erayo as well, although I neglected to vote for her in the unban category. I mostly want to see Gifts Ungiven unbanned. Prophet of Kruphix and Sway of the Stars as well, although I am less optimistic about those.


    Paradox Engine was the only unban I voted for, I thought that was a terrible mistake or a money grab, but mostly because I haven't been playing for that long and haven't gotten a firm grasp on which banned cards are a joke.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Commander Climate Survey
    This is a great idea. The 'banned as Commander' question didn't have a place to expand, but I would like to see a number of the banned cards banned as commanders but legal in the 99. Rofellos is busted as a commander, but it would just be another good ramp card in the 99
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Awful, awful creatures with terrible downsides?
    Quote from Macabre »
    A while ago I ran a grixis tribal djinn deck, and the most memorable game that has stood out from my playgroup has always been when I had to rely on an army of Emberwilde Caliph from rite of replication



    Haha, thath hilarious! Reverse lifelink
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on MYTHIC CHAMPIONSHIP London new mulligan rule test in Modern & Limited
    I think people are worrying too much, I think the vast majority of the impact WILL be people making land drops. Tron is one of the decks that is supposed to profit the most, and it does, but the general rule of 'be ready to deal with a small apocalypse on the third turn' still applies, it happens a bit more often, but you always had to be READY for it. I just think like my Burn deck, I am a very small bit less likely for my deck to defeat me way more than the other player does. some less interactive decks do get better, but I really do see it being more about decks that want to interact getting a real chance to do so
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Extremely disappointed not to see any unbans. If there was ever a time to do it, it's alongside a large and predictable ban.

    Also lots of words about Faithless Looting (and other things) here: http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/38840_Was-Banning-Bridge-From-Below-In-Modern-The-Right-Call.html

    As much as I hate to vote for the fella, I sided mostly with Cedric Phillips. Regarding Rampaging Ferocidon, if nobody cares, then why not unban it? I personally know some locals who actually do care.

    I do not understand the Ban decision. Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis is only $4 right now. Altar of Dementia is only $3 right now. They don't need these cards to sell the set, unlike the Eldrazi.


    Because both of those cards go up enough to sell packs within a week because they dodged a ban, they weren't going to be expensive while things were so risky.

    Less cynical, cards that break with Bridge are going to come along again, Wizards seems to be addicted to that particular mistake. After the last couple years of Dredge, I actually think it's deliberate. But cards that break Altar and Hogaak that badly are extremely rare. Wizards made the choice that was less likely to result in more bans later. On their own, those are two neat cards that bring something new to the format without being broken on the surface. People not initially getting hyped about Hogaak is not us being bad at evaluation, it was us not thinking about taking the big obvious midrange value creature and shoving it in a combo deck. I STILL view it as more of a Tarmogoyf. Those two can exist in healthy shells that don't lead to toxic busted decks. Bridge really can't, there is no 'good enough to play with the big dogs but not a complete busted monster' with that card
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    *shuffles Tron* they should unban all the midrange stuff and Pod, just let me go on a feeding frenzy, lol
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Quote from tronix »
    solid announcement. i think many of us, including myself, were and are still hoping for some unbans; especially moreso along the lines of the precedent they set last year with the jace/bbe unbans. however for a non-rotating format like modern, and with the higher frequency of b&r announcements there isnt any rush.

    if anything the format has been too chaotic as of late. better to give things time to settle
    Quote from Melkor »
    Sad Commander player asks- I don't suppose there is any home at all for a pile of now almost worthless Paradox Engine in Modern ? Frown
    its shown up as a 1-of in urza lists. other than that the card is just way too slow to be relevant in a format like modern.

    if you are really sitting on a stack of them id bite the bullet quick and dump them as quickly as possible.


    Tbh, that helps. I can't stomach selling them at a loss after holding them since BEFORE they were expensive. If they do see a bit of play, I'll hold them. It's super unlikely to see a reprint and if that deck ever gets around to putting up results, they may go back up to $20 in a year or two. It would still feel bad to have missed the window, but I would like to break even, which I can't do right now. Thanks for the info! Smile
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Sad Commander player asks- I don't suppose there is any home at all for a pile of now almost worthless Paradox Engine in Modern ? Frown
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 08/07/2019)
    Ding dong the Bridge is dead.

    I like Altar, it opens up neat strategies, and Hogaak is one of the most creative designs in years. Bridge seems to exist only to break every few months and never just be part of a fair deck that can be interacted with the way it should be. I would have been very sad to see either of the others go, especially because they would probably be quickly replaced with a less interesting but no less powerful card, but Bridge in all the years it was legal never did anything healthy
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on What is you favorite deck to play against?
    UW Control. My Tron build seems to be favored against it, but not overwhelmingly. it leads to long games with a lot of choices on both sides of the table. we both have to really prioritize what we choose to deal with. it's like a Control mirror, but I don't have to have my threats be silly words like 'efficient' Wink
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    As we near the end here my thoughts return to several months back.

    There are 2 paths for Modern, and they depend upon on not what you want to play, but on what you want to play against.

    You can PLAY near whatever, and if you warp to the meta you'll be fine. I don't believe anyone can argue against that.

    The problem is, what are you playing against, and are the games fun for you? Well that's an individual opinion.

    So what are the 2 paths?

    1. Accept Modern as what it is, warp your deck around it, and accept infrequent bans/unbans if something gets nuts.

    This is how Wizards has approached the format for some time, roughly 3.5 years.

    2. Push for a rebuild of the ban list. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BAN MANIA. No, what this path is, is an acceptance that Modern is flawed, but that to fix it, would take multiple bans to bring the power back down and free up some actual diversity in the format.

    You would ban.

    Faithless Looting
    Burning Inquiry
    Bridge from Below
    Creeping Chill
    Manamorphose
    Terminus
    Ancient Stirrings
    Allosaurus Rider
    Teferi, Time Raveler
    Narset, Parter of Veils
    Karn, the Great Creator

    And probably.

    Mox Opal
    Simian Spirit Guide

    You UNBAN

    Stoneforge Mystic
    Splinter Twin

    Would this dramatically change Modern? Yes.

    Would it improve Modern? If you are an 'option 2 please' person, yes, and that's it.

    Either you accept Modern for what it is, and you embrace the decks you play against, or you push not for a few bans, but whole sale changes to the format.

    As for me? It's not realistic to hope for option 2. So I accept what I cannot change, and continue to just churn through the days until I take a good long break, by playing Warcraft Classic.

    Modern is what it is, good, bad, or just Modern. Your cards don't disappear if you put them in storage. They don't lose $ value if they are in a box.

    Don't like Modern as it is? It will not change from this path, it's too far gone.

    Either a lot of bans are coming, or you accept Modern for what it is, or you take a break.

    That's it.

    EDIT: Typo's and Card Tags as I posted this from my phone.


    I disagree, it would not fix Modern by any metric. you ban 11-13 cards at once, or even in a short span, the format dies. this is not doomsaying, this is 'Wizards took a chainsaw to the format, why should I keep playing if their shakeup strategy is apparently now MASS bannings or the cards that make the format what it is?'
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on New Sol Ring promo
    Quote from Crazy Pierre »
    YEah, the art is way too busy for a simple thing like a Sol Ring, but it's good to have another print of this card.


    honestly, yeah. it's pretty and all, and the Invention is the best and a bit busy, but it's supposed to be about as simple as Bolt
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from Thenarus »
    The Altar plan might not be deterministic without Bridge, but would it still be potent enough to be viable? Banning Hoogak would certainly neuter Altar to the point where it wouldn't be.


    Banning Hogaak would certainly kill this version of the deck. So at the cost of the actual most interesting design in the set, we would get a reprieve....for what a month or two? Then something else steps into that same shell and the cool card is banned for years. If something needs to go, it's not the big beater that requires work, it's the stuff that keeps taking these fair and neat cards and doing awful things with them. Like Eye of Ugin wasn't broken, it was the genius who decided to make Eldrazi do something the tribe was never meant to have.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/05/2019)
    Quote from Depian »
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Re: Challenge results
    As I wrote in the Reddit post, the Challenge results are both laughably bad (32% Hogaak Vine = lulz) and relatively isolated. Did Hogaak have an outrageous debut at this single Challenge? Absolutely, and it would be misleading to deny that. But it's just as misleading to oversell the results of a single Challenge. For one, it's a single datapoint on the debut weekend of a deck. There are so many factors that both artificially increase (e.g. players don't know how to play against it, SB decisions, hype, etc.) and decrease (card availability, untuned decks, pilots don't know tricks with the deck, etc.) prevalence in such a single datapoint. Given these limitations, it's hard to draw a meaningful conclusion. Second, it's not even a major paper event. It's "just" an MTGO Challenge, which we have routinely (and rightfully) questioned as representative of the metagame on any given weekend. Significant paper results or repeat online results are needed to really figure out where the deck stands in the metagame.

    Re: ban decisions
    Wizards has issued one emergency ban in over a decade (Felidar), which was more of an oversight acknowledgement than a response to a pattern of troubling results. There is no way we see emergency ban action based on a single Challenge. Wizards has repeatedly shown, despite the blaring ban mania in online communities, that they will wait for sustained results before acting on a ban.

    I encourage community members to stick to the proven method of ban analysis: waiting for more data and taking a long, conservative view of the format. Recognize the metagame's ability to adapt and acknowledge that most decks have more weaknesses than we think. This method has produced consistent predictions of changes and no changes for years now. Even if Hogaak Vine is ultimately bannable, that does not mean we throw out the proven, conservative method and revert to a ban mania mindframe. If you throw enough darts at a board, eventually you'll get a bullseye even if your technique is horrible. That doesn't mean we look at the bullseye and say "NAILED IT" with all of our bad technique throws. We stick with the technique that works.


    I am going to quote ktkenshinx's comment here as I think it will help us get some focus and not deviate from our ban analysis method.

    There is a Modern GP next weekend, that will likely be our first large data sample since the release of Modern Horizons, maybe the deck is broken and needs a ban but we currently don't have enough data.


    ^this. I don't know if the deck is broken, it sounds like it probably is. But I am not prepared to pass judgment when there have only been a couple events, so close to release. A large event like this a couple weeks removed from the launch of the set is worth a lot more.

    That said, I hope they don't ban either of the new cards. If they ban Altar or Hogaak, that doesn't actually help us when they print another broken graveyard card no later than the fall set, and honestly probably in Core. They don't learn, they don't change, it feels like they break those decks specifically in every single set. They need to ban Bridge if something has to go. Maybe Bloodghast, just so we can stop seeing the same deck over and over again, just with a new bauble that lets it keep doing the same thing
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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