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  • posted a message on 11/18/19 Big Bannings
    Quote from CurdBros »
    I wish they would have done something to modern as well, but it appears they are happy with the modern meta right now. Modern is definitely not in a bad place, but I would really love to have seen Mox Opal be banned with several other cards like Veil and Simian Spirit Guide also possible bans. It looks like people may possibly be playing pioneer for a bit until they start concentrating on modern again. We will see.


    why on EARTH would you want either of those cards banned? it's like wanting Platinum Angelbanned. it may do a thing you don't love, but it isn't doing anything wrong. for a card to even be considered for a ban, it has to see relevant play. there are a dozen cards off the top of my head that in theory I hate what they do. and not one of them should be banned because they don't actually break anything and it is a truly format killing precedent. because no matter what deck you play, there will be people who hate it. banning needs to be saved for problems, not quirky little novelty cards that might win a game here or there on a good day
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Quote from SavannahLion »
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    welp atleast at long last we get a rhystic studdy reprint


    Yeah but from amongst 1,694 cards with whatever rarity they've figured out what good does it do? There are 14 slots with their own sheet and each sheet is 121 cards. Nevermind the 15th slot has its own sheet completely outside of the full set. (I have a feeling WotC has never looked up the definition of, "set.") The E.V. should be interesting on these.


    This is true, but then people need to not make the argument that the "only expensive because of scarcity" cards will tank in value due to this set. There are not nearly enough of these boosters, and the cards are being so rare, for bloom tender so suddenly be a sub-$10 card just because it is one out of 2 thousand cards here.


    we have no idea how many there will be. the convention ones, sure they will be limited, but the LGS ones may have a pretty good supply. it will take a LOT of packs to do anything to card prices just because it's 3x as many cards as in an actual not total BS set, but if we look at it as a rare basically being as rare as a Standard mythic, I would bet there are still more copies of Oko that have been cracked and put on the market at least once than bloom Tenders. some of these sets it's really doesn't take an absurd number of copies.....I just wish it had been a normal 3-400 card set so one Mana Crypt didn't come with a pallet of pack waste
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Okay, so a handful of hits, I do hope it is popular enough with the draft crowd for prices to drop, definitely a couple things I want......but with more than 3x the number of cards in a Standard set, it feels like the home of the hoarder where they are having a heart attack and they die because paramedics can't find them among the piles of stuff. I hope drafters love it and open LOTS of packs, but this is the easiest 'not touching a pack' for me since Dragon's Maze
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Quote from SonofaBith75 »
    Quote from Xcric »


    the packs themselves are kind of boring without the test cards but meh



    Mana Crypt $190
    Kolaghan’s Command $23
    Elesh Norn $18
    Sliver Hivelord $20
    Demonic Tutor $24
    Rhystic Study $16
    Teferi’s Protection $37
    Aura Shards $13
    Bloom Tender $47
    Kiki-Jiki $13
    Teferi, TA $15
    Alhamarrett’s Archive $12
    Animar $13
    Tireless Tracker $13
    Defense of the Heart $16
    Grave Titan $13
    Soren Markov $11
    Recruiter of the Guard $18
    Rhys the Redeemed $30
    Mishra’s Bauble $10
    Phyrexian Arena $10

    $4-$10 cards like Manamorphose, Sol Ring, Caged Sun, Kruphix, Lightning Greaves, Birds, Chromatic Star, Toxin Sliver, Solemn Simulacrum, PHyrexian Metamorph, Lotus Petal, Asceticism, Chromatic Lantern, Hedron Crab, Dictate of Erebos, Basilisk Collar, Baleful Strix, Temporal Mastery...

    Sub-$4 format All Stars like Thran Dynamo, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Helix, Rune-scarred Demon, Skullclamp...

    That’s “meh”? Seriously, get better at evaluating, you’re terrible at it.

    Other then fetches, what more kind of things are people looking for in a reprint set? And the list I compiled was with about 400 cards spoiled, with anywhere from 600 to 1600 more cards to come.


    He said boring, not bad. There looks to be some good stuff (although at 2000 cards, every rare is basically a mythic, and a mythic is basically a Masterpiece in terms of how many packs need to be cracked for a specific one). I don't care about the test cards either way, but it was neat that they had a gimmick. It's not great for the first card we saw on stream to be something we can't get at the LGS. It still looks decent.

    As far as prices, you know those won't age well. There are certainly some excellent picks, and a lot of things I will be glad to see reprinted, but of the cards you listed, there are quite a few that are expensive because of scarcity, not play. They are welcome sights for EDH players, but like Defense of the Heart and Bloom Tender would not break $5 if as many copies as a rare in just one core set existed in the world
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Asceticism and Rhystic Study, nice! Badly needed, this is starting to grow on me
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Quote from Shea_0 »
    Quote from SonofaBith75 »
    Not all the reprints are garbage...


    Wait til we start seeing copies of Mana Crypt with one of the test-card stickers over it. Peel it off and rip the face off the Crypt.... peel it and leave sticky residue behind.... ultimate bad customer feedback there LOL


    I could be wrong, but I was told that the test print thing is actually part of the print, not a sticker. Like on the last Un-set, they did stuff that looked like it was not part of it.

    Otoh, as long as it is tournament legal, I'm good with a REAL cheap Crypt with some sticker damage
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    yeah, aside from the test card, these look WORSE than Ebay repacks, is that even possible? I am curious to get an article and see what the heck is going on. it sorta looks like the entire article will be 'gotcha! omg you idiots PAID for that! I can't believe that worked!'
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    happening now, no cards yet
    https://twitter.com/ChannelFireball
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  • posted a message on Pioneer Banned List Speculation
    I don't think any of those 3 will be banned, fetches were a BIG,part of why they were good. I hope there are a few events before they ban stuff because so many of the initial Modern bans were stupid, but look at the things that were banned in Standard, then ask if basically anything from RtR block answers them well. I expect to see Aetherworks Marvel die quickly, but nothing else stands out as a problem
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from leslak »
    Quote from Xcric »
    Quote from SpeedGrapher »
    People have already started buying up cards for the format. Siege Rhino went from $1 to $4 two days after the announcement. A lot of high volume buyout gambling is happening right now. Makes me not want to even bother with the format. At this point they can print Pioneer Masters in Summer 2020 or just forget about the format. I also don't feel like playing against Siege Rhino anymore. Everyone was trilled when it was gone.


    prices will stabilize, but i absolutely agree. people in this very thread have complained about the cost to get into modern, and this will be no different in very short order. they can't just go and reprint tons of stuff without adversely effecting standard so they forced themselves yet again into a corner where they won't do anything about the secondary market but it consistently causes a problem because of their approach to reprints


    Every card in pioneer is also in modern. Once they do another modern masters they can reprint pioneer stuff.



    right, because they handled that so well. Remember Tarmogoyf getting the mythic treatment, despite the initial announcement of the new rarity sounding a lot like 'we will not do it to SPECIFICALLY Tarmogoyf type cards'? they will take Modern and Pioneer tournament staples (and not nearly enough of either) put anything with real value at mythic, and put them in $7-10 packs with a bunch of chaff that not even the drafters are happy to see. they discontinued the Masters series because aside from the last hurrah of Ultimate, they ran it into the ground through poor implementation, and Modern still has a bunch of cards approaching or exceeding $100 apiece. and most of the problem cards are from sets with relatively lower print runs. I am skeptical about anything in this new format holding a high price, but Wizards can't really fix it if something does. say a card from BFZ skyrockets, TKS perhaps. if that absurd print run didn't provide us with enough copies, a Masters set won't be able to touch it. idk what the print run numbers of ANY set was, but I would wager that even after multiple Masters set reprints, there are still fewer copies of Tarmogoyf in the world than a given BFZ mythic. they need to go back to real reprints in core sets
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from Jiyor »
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    I think just like DRS being weaker in fetchless world, the lack of fetches is also going to make Fatal Push less of a staple than people are thinking. In Modern, so many of the biggest threats cost 2 or less anyway but when you need to hit a 3-4 cost you can often sync it with a fetch-crack turn to make 3-4 cost creatures targetable. I think in Pioneer, there will be a higher proportion of creatures costing 3-4, and not nearly as convenient a way of enabling Revolt as Modern/Frontier have.


    Fatal Push still has Fabled Passage, which will sky rocket in price since it’s a fetch type land, and Evolving Wilds to work with in Pioneer. Plus there’s still a plethora of cheap costing & cheap saccing artifacts. Black also has enough cheap costing & cheap saccing permanents. Enabling revolt when you want to is far easier in Pioneer than you bothered to check for.



    if the goal of the deck is 'enable revolt', then sure, it's super easy, probably even in Standard. now I am not super up to date with the format, but I am going to guess that a lot of those black or artifact cards aren't actually good enough to see play. especially without much (at least on the surface) for a graveyard strategy looking to be a menace, cards that are only relevant to enable revolt will not see play. again idk for Pioneer, but for Modern, it is something like 'go to Gatherer, look up every card that does what you want to do. narrow it to legal in the format. then immediately cut probably 90% because they suck'. it's not Standard where you take the scraps they give you, having RtR and Kaladesh in the format is a real thing
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  • posted a message on Modern decks that can be adapted to Pioneer with few alterartions
    Saheeli combo is almost good enough in modern, expect to see a lot of that. RtR gives enough toys that once a couple combo decks get banned, UW or Esper control should be viable. there isn't much, even just Zendikar and Innistrad blocks are a huge part of most decks in Modern. Dredge, Tron, Affinity, even Jund is carried by pre-RtR cards

    It feels like with Eidolon, Swiftspear,Boros Charm, Burn may be okay, although it loses a LOT of toys
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  • posted a message on Consecrated Sphinx and discarding to hand size
    Thanks friends! that is what I was hoping, i am just used to 2 player format where it's very rare to exceed 7 cards, drawing 6 before it gets back to me is a new (and enjoyable!) experience Smile
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  • posted a message on Consecrated Sphinx and discarding to hand size
    So I have been playing for years and it has never come up until i got into EDH and i realized how much stuff doesn't come up in Modern. Say I have Consecrated Sphinx in play, 3 opponents, and 5 cards in hand when I pass. with no other effects or card draw by them, i would be up to 11 cards in hand by the time my turn rolls around again, 12 when I draw. I know that I generally have to discard down to 7 at end of turn, the ruling says 'cleanup'. so my question is this, is that just at the end of MY turn? can I hold them all, have 12 in hand on my turn, drop Reliquary Tower or similar and keep the other 11, or do i have to end EACH turn with 7? Thanks in advance!
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Izor kinda nailed a lot of my thoughts. Modern is a fast format, very fast. but without Bolt and Path and IoK and a set of kill spells and kinda passable counterspells it would be a LOT faster. Saheeli combo is ALMOST good enough for Modern, people keep almost getting there. but it folds to the interaction of various flavors of control and midrange. now take away the vast majority of that interaction because not long after RTR is when 'too strong for Standard' basically became a meme. even TC probably isn't going to be very good because it's a value card in a format dominated by a dozen combo decks. and then once Wizards bans enough cards for things that are not just the broken combos of previous Standards with better mana bases, you aren't really playing with old Standard favorites, you are playing with the stuff that didn't even make the cut back then. Modern is great because oddball cards from a time when everything wasn't so tightly controlled let you make anything you can dream up. since RTR, and certainly since Khans, they have printed very few of those cards. there are no Tron lands, no toys to make a flavor of Affinity. it is cards all doing the exact same thing, sometimes just doing it better. I hope that when the dust settles and the mass bannings are over that it is fun for people to play, but a format made from the era with the most Standard bans since Urza block because the threats were so powerful with almost no interaction seems dead on arrival.
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