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Well, ye i don't see those cards being played in Standard right now.

Maybe after rotation of RtRtR block and m20 those cards can see play.

With Eldraine forward Fires of Invention will probably use Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis and Kenrith, the returned king as the cards to go (top end)(looks like) when Cavalier of Flame and most of the top end cards leave standard.

Ashiok, Nightmare Muse i think is a good card but probably needs more cards to see play. Maybe someone makes a Esper Exile list before the rotation, but after i can only see a graveyard cards metters deck, unless people use hin/her/it just for the value alone.

Also Atheros is probably really nice for commander as you can put a coin on any creature and they return to play in your control. Looks fun!

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2018? In 2019? or am I missing something. Also how does one go about getting these Kharis & the Beholder and Sol are ******* sweet.

These are made as gift for staff members and there is only a few of them out there (less than 5 of each if i m not mistake) and apparently none of them ever went on sale, soo good luck blackmailing some WotC employees;

Is "The legend of Arena" a reference to the book or to MTG Arena? By the card i want to belive it is to the book and the fight-wizards from Estrak.

Hope we see a bit of Greensleeves cycle on a set someday

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I thought Smuggler's Copter was going to be banned, and I'm leaning towards any cards that were banned in standard is going to have a short existence in Pioneer.

You will wait a long time for the Aetherworks Marvel ban in pioneer, just saying.

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If you want their shrine cards to "turn them on", the Seeing Winds and Infinite Rage abilities should be "~~ can't attack or block unless a opponent lost 2 or more life since the beginning of your last upkeep." That way, the shrine can trigger on your turn, but you could still block on an opponent's turn.

I would make the tap requirement more specific, as in tap a red creature for Infinite Rage, for instance, and if your intention is to represent praying it should be a non-Spirit creature too. Otherwise, its especially weird that two Myojin could "pray" to each other to avoid a board wipe.

Wow yeah that "delayed" check would be wonderfull, it also would make them nice for defense as well, the red one would probably be nice to see play with that check (since your last upkeep) in a situation of no burn spells in hand

And ye the "devotion-divinity" ability would totaly be more flavorfull if it only worked with creatures "that shares a color" with them, this way the green Myojin would also don't be this powerfull comparated to the rest.

Thx for the sugestions

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I like the tap-for-indestructible idea. It makes these cards more interactive than previous iterations on the mechanic. I'm a little concerned with how wildly the 'animation' requirements and activated abilities vary amongst these cards, though.

The green one looks like the most complete of the bunch, as it has an easy activation requirement that synergizes well with both the activated ability and means of protection. It's also huge and unstoppable.

The white one has a much less sensible design. The requirement to attack and block is incredibly winmore, so much so that you will rarely attack or block at all. The activated ability, by contrast, is incredibly oppressive. Who need to block when all opposing creatures are dead? It doesn't so much synergize with the animation as cause the game to grind to a halt.

The blue one is just weak. Attacking and blocking requires specific support, and it has a non-synergistic activated ability that pales in comparison with the rest of the abilities you gave.

The black one is probably where you want this cycle to be. The animation is difficult, but it enables itself with an appropriately powerful activated ability. Five mana is probably high enough to dodge the usual sorcery requirement for this type of ability.

The red one is in the same category as white, as it has a difficult animation and a grotesque activated ability. Precombat life loss/damage is an even narrower category than what the blue one has, and the red one will more frequently cost you a card to use. The activated ability probably shouldn't exist on any card of this cost in any form. You drop this on turn 3 and curve into destroying a land every turn for the rest of the game. Awful.

Indeed the red one is very problematic. I tryed to make the activated abilities on those to be references to the divinity token abilities from the original. I started with a simetrical effect of each player sacrificing a non basic land but this looked way too overpower in multiplayer for the potential to destroy 4+ lands for 5 (the original cost) idk what i was thinking when i made it target only one and reduced the cost. Probably it should be


About the animating requeriments as i said before i wanted to make them sinergize with the Shrines, make the Shrines give them the power to manifest (attack and block). He is a 3 mana 4/3 double strike (potentialy) soo i was afraid to make it happen with only "a oponent lost life this turn". Keep in mind also that original Kamigawa (champions) had a "tribe" of "Prodigal Sorcerers" in red and the color had alot of creatures that dealt non combat damage, and if i had the power to make a this set happen "tap to deal damage to a player or planeswalker" would be a theme for red humans

https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracle:damage type:creature color=R block:chk o:":"&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
https://scryfall.com/search?q=yamabushi&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=oracle:damage type:creature color=R block:chk

For the white Myojin indeed it would be too opressive thinking about sealed specialy. Maybe making it deal damage to itself or to you too could make it more balanced without the need to increase the ability cost. Or reducing the cost and making it target a creature, or make it just deal damage to all creatures (without the need for them to be tapped).

Now about the Green one, maybe i overdid her, The gain a life part of the ability feels off i m thinking about something like


The "devotion-divinity" ability granting lifelink instead of trample, soo her won't be ass powerfull (and she won't be another monogreen god with trample or that can give trample xD). And probably would fit better with the cycle on not being too powerfull but being nice build around cards.

Thx for the feed back tho, it made me see how wrong/retarded powerfull some of the cards were, if only wizards had people like you to help develop the cards COF COF OKO COF

Imho they should have made the owl symbol smaller like just the top of its head+beak and eyes.

I like the inclusion of the Owl in the art of SpeelSeeker imo all of them could have a owl in the art, like a owl/demon in the background of Demonic Tutor The woman on Gamble actualy stealing from a owl-Aven and a owl pattern in the stained glass from the white tutor, it would be better than the wattermark.

23:59 > This product is trashfire worth
00:00 > Wow i want one

Well played WotC

I will start this Thread with a redesign of the old Myojin, the prototypes of the God cards from today (accordingly to MaRo). How would the old Myojin look if they were design like God creature types, and abilities.


Well the myojin follows the template of amonkhet gods but with 2 abilities one to become indestructible(and other ability on theme) while their followers pray for them (lore reassons) and another activated ability that uses mana and ressembles the "remove a divinity counter" ability from the originals. Also each of them can be activated (being able to attack and block) by their old shrine cards.

Prety sure it is the 2020 magic fest promo (like mutavault and lightning bolt)

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Here is the contents of the Kaleidoscope Killer

That’s the only one I’m interested in then since that’s much cooler art of sliver overlord, the Ur-dragon and the reaper king

Is it just those 3 (surprised morophon wasn’t in it.)

Just look

OMG.... it’s gone from bad to worse

Not only it’s only 24 hours There’s only 10 available per customer for each one

Idk why someone would ever want to buy more than 10 of anyofthose there is a limit of how many variations of the same UR dragon commander deck you can build.
Expect the ones people are most hyped about to be the ones with the most price drop on the secondary market.

Snow-covered Eldraine basics. Considering you only get 1-of each, and there is a limit of 10 per person, you can only get 10x of each snow-covered basic with this new art for $299.90.

Even if you were just aiming for 20 of each basic, that is still $599.80, split between two accounts, which likely involves paying shipping costs twice.

Primary reasons:
1) Uniform lands
2) Bling
3) You just really liked Thrones of Eldraine and want to do some GoT deck
4) You need this for multiple decks
5) You need this for a cube
6) Mix of the above

If you would buy 20 foil snow-covered basic lands today you would spend more than the value the 20 kits or secret lair would cost and as a plus each one of the kits come with a "Free" deck box that looks like the right size to storage a commander deck...

I mean, it is not for everyone, it is not like the collector's boxes were for the casual players too

And, if someone thinks it is expensive to buy each card they want from wizards then i m sure that player can go on the seccondary market and buy the cards they want for a relative small price after those products are released.

The primary focus of this product is not the same player base that buys 1-3 commander deck each year but instead the people that buy more than 1 case of those products. There will be investors buying off those products and after some years people (the casual players) will wonder "why didn't i bought this?"... This is a cycle on every MTG player' life.

Just keeping things in mind: right now graveyard strategies are not the big thing in modern soo Bloodghast and life from the loan went down in price. Early this year both cards sold for $20 each on minimum. And we don't know when graveyard strategies will become the must go again neither when and if those cards will get reprinted in the next 5 years... BitterBlossom is being sold for about $40 (near mint) on some places. Serum Visions is a staple in some formats, the kit comes with 4 diferent arts soo people can choose the one they preffer and will use. Those kits + the land one + 5 color legends are the ones worth buying today.
If people go all win for exemple on the 5 color legendary each of the cards will lose value. Slivers got value after modern horizons created a demand, legions and the premium decks are low printing comparated to any new set soo the hive lord got inflated. The same is true for Reaper king and the Ur-Dragon... The demand for those cards are too specific (one singleton format) soo once copies start to flood the market prices will go way down... Why i said all this? Simple: do not evaluate the "wothness" of this product based on today's market prices will gonna drop or hise with time.

Not every product is for everybody, this is for collectors and speculators (most of those).

Now for the lands: if you realy want to pimp your deck with those it is way easier to buy the ones you need from the seccondary market once people start to scalp those boxes. You will pay probably less (than buying one kit for each plains or island, etc) and will not pick a free deck box, simple.

When wizards did from the vaults players didn't go buy 4 boxes to make a playset (at least not all players), people don't do monocolored decks or decks with more than one colors with just basic lands, if they have the money to pimp their deck then they have the money to buy duals and utility nonbasic lands

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Here is the contents of the Kaleidoscope Killer

That’s the only one I’m interested in then since that’s much cooler art of sliver overlord, the Ur-dragon and the reaper king

Is it just those 3 (surprised morophon wasn’t in it.)

Just look

OMG.... it’s gone from bad to worse

Not only it’s only 24 hours There’s only 10 available per customer for each one

Idk why someone would ever want to buy more than 10 of anyofthose there is a limit of how many variations of the same UR dragon commander deck you can build.
Expect the ones people are most hyped about to be the ones with the most price drop on the secondary market.

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Are you fri...

The second one is nothing more than one of each basic land (snow lands ofcoarse)

So guru lands all over again potentially

Seriously? I’m feeling more and more relaxed with each reveal of these to eventually keeping my credit card in my wallet.

Yes it’s true



If it was 5 or 10 of each basic then we be talking

They are beautiful art though

The biggest reason this is stupid is because modern horizon just reprinted snow basics recently and in full art

Still they are foil, and each basic foil snow land is like $10 in NM and up to $8 light played. (for the box it is close to $6 each)
https://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/product/show?ProductName=snow-covered&newSearch=false&orientation=list
Bitterblossom is about (normal non foil) $40 and they are selling it for $30 (foil)
https://shop.tcgplayer.com/magic/product/show?ProductName=Bitterblossom&newSearch=false&ProductType=All&IsProductNameExact=true
Wizards is printing money and going to the seccondary market, just that.

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sweet mercy

its literally only bitterblossom in the fairy one and all tokens

i don't care if its limited time pass easly

Well, a NM bitterblosson non foil is close to $44 and the secret lair is $29

It could be one of the $39.99 packs. I hope not, but it could be

Nummot says that the bitterblossom One is $29,99 on his unboxing video

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sweet mercy

its literally only bitterblossom in the fairy one and all tokens

i don't care if its limited time pass easly

Well, a NM bitterblosson non foil is close to $44 and the secret lair is $29