I don't see Modern, Legacy, and Vintage going anywhere, ever! The reason Legacy and Vintage are having trouble with hosted events has absolutely nothing to do with lack of support. The support is lacking because the patrons of those formats are declining and new blood is not really replacing them. It's getting harder and harder to justify regular and frequent large events because the turn out is dwindling. It's not hard to understand, these formats are rediculasly expensive! Modern is the new legacy only in that it is an expensive format with a high amount of long time players. Modern decks today are comparable in price now to roughly what legacy decks were when Modern was a new format that was never going catch on. (ABUR lands were about $50-$100 and a lot of the important Staples were $50-$200). Pioneer is a stepping stone for new players (last 6 years) looking to go beyond standard but not quite ready for Modern. Much like Modern is a great stepping stone for players looking to go beyond where Pioneer is now but not quite ready for Legacy. I don't see this as a conspiracy sized excuse for a "cash grab" or pandering to those of us on a budget. I also don't see it as a way to avoid reprinting to demand either. Cards like Tarmogyfe were reprinted into oblivion in the Masters series and the only thing that really put a dent in it's price tag was simply WOTC printing better threats. Tarmogyfe is a lot cheaper now because it's just not clearly the best creature anymore, simple as that. Will they be making another non rotating format 10 years from now? Possibly, probably. Will this format succeed? With the support they plan on putting into it, you bet ya! It's just another format where different cards get a chance to shine.
There are definitely some take aways I took from the announcement that I found interesting though!
- Fetch lands will NOT be returning to standard any time soon. By banning the allied ones it would seem silly to print the enemy ones I'm standard without also banning them as well. "No fetch lands" appear to be a defining feature of pioneer.
- Obviously bannings will happen when apparent need arises. They seem to have learned their lesson when they created Modern. They want to make sure only problematic are removed.
- They didn't put any restrictions yet on what will define the format. Modern was billed as a turn 4 format and WOTC has been dancing that devil ever since! This statement has made quite a few headaches for them over the years. Hopefully they will be leaving this criteria up to the players. We have proven to be a quiet a vocal constiuancy!
- They have also not set any expectations of reprints as well. By billing Modern as a "reprint friendly" format it has given the modern player base a unrealistic expectation of card availability ever since it's inception. Often times we forget Magic is a rare card game that has been able to develop a SUCCESSFUL secondary market mostly because WOTC learned vary early on conservative reprint policies are healthy on some level.
- Hopefully these previous 2 statements remain unchanged. Like it or not both of those policies have hampered modern in general as a format!
All in all, this news is really exciting to me. I have been holding on to my standard staples for a while as they were perfectly reasonable cards with nowhere to be relevant. Hopefully many will find a home I'm this exciting new format!
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Fiddlyr posted a message on Current Modern Banlist Discussion (9/28/2015 update - No changes!)Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from ktkenshinx »
However, too many games are effectively decided by the first player's first turn. A major problem is that a turn-one Chalice of the Void for 0 deprives the opponent an opportunity to put Moxen on the battlefield. While players can adapt by not playing Moxen, the point of the format is to provide a place to play those cards.
What do you think about this quote? Could it apply to Bridge/Lantern Control in the future? If not, where does the logic break down? Interested on hearing your responses to this framework Wizards introduced.
I don't think it applies to Lantern Control really.
The issue with Chalice is it allows one person to play their Moxen while the other person can't. Since it is a given Moxen are supposed to be legal in Vintage and they are amazing, allowing one person to have them and the other not is too swingy. I haven't played Vintage in 10 years, but I'm shocked Chalice wasn't restricted before now. Honestly, Wizards may be in trouble eventually even with this restriction, because of redundant effects. Trinisphere is essentially restricted for the same reason Chalice is, a turn 1 Trinisphere shuts down many Vintage decks and makes you feel like you're not playing Vintage. With Chalice and Trinisphere, Wizards only needs to print a couple more similar effects and even with restrictions you'll be able to play a critical mass of them.
Lantern Control on the other hand at least gives you a couple of turns to play your game. While its true that a Lantern god-hand could be extremely disruptive and give a player not much chance of having a way out of the box before they are locked down, god-hands exist in other Modern decks also. With all of that said, I'm not a fan of the Lantern deck, but it is very cleverly designed and not a problem in Modern at the moment. -
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CharonsObol posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices DiscussionPosted in: ModernQuote from ktkenshinx »Quote from CharonsObol »Quote from ktkenshinx »Stirring Wildwood reprinted in the Duel Decks, which probably means all the other manlands are getting reprinted too.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/duel-decks-zendikar-vs-eldrazi-2015-08-17
Primal Command got a reprint too. Does that suggest that Cryptic Command will reprinted? (Yes, I realize that it was just in MM2015.)
Hmm I don't think so, but I suppose it's possible. Wizards has already shown they are fine with reprinting partial cycles, and I seem to remember Maro or another developer talking about how Command was a bit too powerful.
I understand why the cycles are different, but I find it strange that the presence of Stirring Wildwood suggests the full cycle will be reprinted, but the presence of Primal Command doesn't. It won't surprise me when your intuition ends up being right, but it just feels inconsistent from a design standpoint. -
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ktkenshinx posted a message on Battle For Zendikar (BFZ) Spoilers - Modern DiscussionWe just got some cool new BFZ spoilers in today's Arcana (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/duel-decks-zendikar-vs-eldrazi-2015-08-17), so it feels like it's time to get the modern discussion thread going! For reference, here's the MTGS spoilers for BFZ:Posted in: Modern
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/spoilers/164-battle-for-zendikar
A few ground rules before we get started:
1. Keep all spoiler discussion in this thread OR in specific deck threads. It's okay to discuss a spoiler card in a deck thread as long as you aren't spamming and are constructively arguing for its inclusion. Do not make SCD Threads, however.
2. Don't image leech.
3. Shorter posts are okay in threads like this (e.g. "Sweet card for RG Tron!") but don't get too spammy (e.g. responding to someone saying "viable in Twin?" with "no" and no other text).
4. All other MTGS rules and Modern subforum rules apply
I'll kick things off with a cool synergy. It's weak now but maybe this kind of play will get better as we see more cards spoiled.
Eye of Ugin + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Dominator Drone
I'm hoping for more Urborg + Eye synergy in the set. Also... ALLIES. GIVE ME MORE OF THEM. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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There's always Triskadeckaphobia!
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Assassin's Trophy is a good start!
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You could always just give in to the dark side!
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There was also this event I came across in MI:
http://www.gamersgauntlet.net/modern-no-banned-list-aftermath/
It's interesting in that the meta was a bit more combo heavy than the Card Kingdom events. I'm pretty intrigued by these events even if they appear to be one off things. I mentioned it as a possibility to my LGS and the owner said I wasn't the first. I understand the concept of limiting the power level to increase diversity which in turn lowers the barrier to entry, but you know, those of use without Duals want to do degenerate things too.