Well let's hear the case old sport. There's little scum motivation for someone in my position to ask a guy like you to case me.
Odd you felt the need to say the bolded.
I haven't got a prepared case to pull out but I can put one together for you. If it helps, it's more the combination of small things rather than one big thing. Anyway, it will take time which is why you'll have to wait until the rest of my reread.
If you're town Id like to get you on the same page.
Wouldn't you better off trying to shift me onto EtR then?
Also if Im scum, who are my likely teammates?
I listed likely werewolves above. If your mafia, then I don't have an answer right noe beyond Hunt + one other until after my reread.
You know, I'm getting sick of being called a non factor by people who seem to have made little to no effort of either reading my posts or trying to engage with me. When did I say I didn't have a case on you, Tapping? Do you think I've been scumreading because of your avatar or something?
I've been rereading the first half or so of the game. Looking at Necarg/Chris interactions I'm leaning towards the remaining werewolves being amoung Wildfire/TappingStones/EtR. No idea on mafia since Hunt did literally nothing in the first by page 23. I'm going to sleep. Laters.
@Imab
Wasn't Nacho very likely town already based on his claim?
Do you believe your result yesterday was correct after Tom flipped off he said?
Why should we trust you result at all today?
No, sorry I refuse to accept this. I may not have the time to post to level of Tom of TappingStones but I clearly haven’t been lurking.
For instance I remember being around enough yesterday to call you scum. Sound familiar?
My current shortlist is Wildfire --> Anty --> Axelrod --> EtR --> you.
I'd like everyone's opinion on that group of players before the day is up.
Wildfire -> EtR -> Axel -> GJ
I haven’t liked Wildfire’s play today.
I haven’t like Etr’s play throughout.
I’d prefer either a Zion or TS lynch over either Axel or GJ though.
Anty is a player I could see as being scum. He reminds me of tordeck from Predator where I feel he keeps trying to hide under the radar, but doing it so much I keep forgetting he is in this game. I would want to re-read him before coming to a decision however.
Funnily this sums up my feelings towards you as well (excluding the part about predator).
This game is full of people who all want to reread me, say I have posted nothing and yet seemingly can’t find the time to go through this nothing I have posted.
It is worth pointing out that Chris lied about his name. He claimed "Kate" when asked. A google search reveals that "Catalina" is the name of a werewolf character from a novel called "Alucard" which I have never heard of before. Combine that with "Cousin Vinny" being Mafia, and we can conclude that (at least some)(scum) names are not entirely unrelated to their characters.
Given Chris lied, what makes you think we could trust that the other players didn’t lie as well. If there really was a tying theme with names wouldn’t the scum teams spot that and give out fake names like Chris did.
I am making no assumptions as to whether or not scum have "false name" claims and/or may have lied about them. They might, sure. Especially the ones who deduced the name was incriminating. But (1) they all might not have done so. Sir Chris is almost a case in point in as much as I (had I gotten that role) would have had no idea that "Catalina" was associated with Werewolves in any way. Maybe I would have done "research" and pulled up that obscure book that I found, and then been paranoid that a Townie could have done the same to incriminate me and I would have then lied about my name. But maybe not. And (2) who knows, we might still be able to "catch" them in the lie, if they have done so.
It's weird, for example, all the Ninja Turtle names in this game. Like, my PM doesn't tell me I'm a Ninja Turtle. I didn't even consider it until all the other names started coming out. So, clearly, all those names are real (real in the sense that the Mod. gave them to us. Mod could have also still given a scum a "false" Turtle name to let them hide in this group, of course).
It's just stuff to think about. As opposed to what you are doing which is, what? Deciding to ignore it because (clearly) it won't have any benefit?
Pretty much. Unless a role has some reason to care about names, I don't think we're this will yield scum.
I’m going to catch up Day 3 over lunch in order not stall things too much but still want to reread Day 1 but that won’t happen to Sunday (so it would be cool if we don’t lynch until then).
Nachomamma practically confirmed town for pushing for both Huntzilla and Sir Chris very strongly. Need to do some wagon/and game analysis tomorrow for sure.
Wasn't likely town based off his claim already?
DoT is not werewolf. Could still be mafia though.
Do you believe your result yesterday was correct after Tom flipped off he said?
Why trust you result at all today?
Rather surprised Jobie went so hard for tom without considering the possibility they might have similar roles. Very weird. Also surprised the mafia killed Chris - suggests they actually thought he was town and were worried he'd figure them out. That doesn't sound like TappingStones, but that definitely sounds like Wildfire. And Zionite's still probably not a werewolf after all the ***** Chris put him through, so maybe a Zionite - Wildfire mafia team.
But first things first:
Vote imabusinessman
What team am I on and substantiate why. I'm looking forward to seeing this.
It is worth pointing out that Chris lied about his name. He claimed "Kate" when asked. A google search reveals that "Catalina" is the name of a werewolf character from a novel called "Alucard" which I have never heard of before. Combine that with "Cousin Vinny" being Mafia, and we can conclude that (at least some)(scum) names are not entirely unrelated to their characters.
Given Chris lied, what makes you think we could trust that the other players didn’t lie as well. If there really was a tying theme with names wouldn’t the scum teams spot that and give out fake names like Chris did.
Tom was kind enough to provide a vote count right before Chris claimed:
current vote count:
Sir Chris (8): Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Zionite, Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
Xyre (3): Seppel, Wildfire393, Jobie
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (1): TappingStones
Zionite (1): Axelrod
imabusinessman (1): Tordeck
Jobie (1): Sir Chris
EtR (1): Antny223
Which is all 18 players voting.
current vote count:
Sir Chris (8): Nachomamma8, tomsloger, Zionite, Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, Huntzilla, DoTArchon, Vaimes
Xyre (3): Seppel, Wildfire393, Jobie
tomsloger (1): imabusinessman
Huntzilla (1): TappingStones
Zionite (1): Axelrod
imabusinessman (1): Tordeck
Jobie (1): Sir Chris
EtR (1): Antny223
I know is town
I suspect is town based on abilities
Mafia
Werewolf
Neutral
From that I'd suspect Seppel, Axelrod, and/or Antny of being Werewolf. Xyre, Gentleman Johnny, DoTA top picks for Mafia. Though I need some more research to narrow this down.
tl:dr any player is not me and not likely town based on abilities is probably scum.
I think it took it literally as in "neutral exterminator" as in, hunts the neutrals. If he really had the other side of the coin, why would he not claim that, and why would his ability not function like Tom's: he claimed he just found out if his target was town or not.
I took this as he neutral aligned and his role was simply exterminator. I would hazard a guess he the werewolf equivalent of Tom, except if he could only investigate whether a player was town aligned.
When I go vla I will often make a note or something but rarely say anything game related. Since we don't know the reason the fair thing to do is wait for him to get back.
It's called fakeclaiming. It was clear Jobie had some sort of result. It was clearly pretty damning. If Tom didn't target either of the kills last night then it's pretty clearly going to be non-town result right?
So he claims non town to buy time, and then tries to come up with a claim that doesn't like he should be lynched.
I don't personally find his claim convincing, so I don't get why it's so unbelievable he came up with it on the spot.
I don't see Tom's claim and imab as conflicting. I certainly don't see how his actions yesterday around the claim specifically support his current claim either.
You don't see why Tom's mafia-cop and imab's mafia-cop conflict? I mean, I can see how they might coexist in the same game, but I can also see how Tom would be less inclined to believe imab if his role PM says what he says it does. Which makes his constant hard-on for imab yesterday, and his refusal to believe imab's claim, make considerably more sense.
First, they didn't claim the same. Gunsmith/mafia cop are different.
Second, Tom clearly said he didn't understand the claim and he didn't know what gunsmith meant (in fact he didn't even care enough to try and find out).
So if he doesn't know what imab's role did, no one can claim that his actions yesterday were because he felt imab's claim and his role didn't make sense together.
Anyway, points moot, as there are now two guilty's on Tom and we absolutely have to lynch him today.
vlas are vlas. It's poor play to try and read anything into it and poor sportsmanship to try and paint people as scummy for it.
The point was he had time to put a picture but not claim target/result?
When I go vla I will often make a note or something but rarely say anything game related. Since we don't know the reason the fair thing to do is wait for him to get back.
Tom is caught. There is a guilty on his head and his claim is a desperate attempt to explain it away.
His day 1 behavior is just as consistent with him being scum as it is with his claim.
Except he claimed he was non-town neutral before Jobie revealed what his information was. If Jobie had a "you're a werewolf" result or similar, he would have been hung out to dry.
It's called fakeclaiming. It was clear Jobie had some sort of result. It was clearly pretty damning. If Tom didn't target either of the kills last night then it's pretty clearly going to be non-town result right?
So he claims non town to buy time, and then tries to come up with a claim that doesn't like he should be lynched.
I don't personally find his claim convincing, so I don't get why it's so unbelievable he came up with it on the spot.
It also explains why he was after imab from the first page over his claim, because it conflicted with his own.
I don't see Tom's claim and imab as conflicting. I certainly don't see how his actions yesterday around the claim specifically support his current claim either.
Odd you felt the need to say the bolded.
I haven't got a prepared case to pull out but I can put one together for you. If it helps, it's more the combination of small things rather than one big thing. Anyway, it will take time which is why you'll have to wait until the rest of my reread.
Wouldn't you better off trying to shift me onto EtR then?
I listed likely werewolves above. If your mafia, then I don't have an answer right noe beyond Hunt + one other until after my reread.
Yes I am. Why is that so strange?
Tapping, you also prefer an EtR lynch today. Why not push your own case instead of pushing Wildfire to do it?
Wasn't Nacho very likely town already based on his claim?
Do you believe your result yesterday was correct after Tom flipped off he said?
Why should we trust you result at all today?
Turns out there was less than I thought. Oh well.
I was starting to like Tapping Stones but this seems very off.
This is unnessecarily *****y.
No, sorry I refuse to accept this. I may not have the time to post to level of Tom of TappingStones but I clearly haven’t been lurking.
For instance I remember being around enough yesterday to call you scum. Sound familiar?
Wildfire -> EtR -> Axel -> GJ
I haven’t liked Wildfire’s play today.
I haven’t like Etr’s play throughout.
I’d prefer either a Zion or TS lynch over either Axel or GJ though.
Funnily this sums up my feelings towards you as well (excluding the part about predator).
This game is full of people who all want to reread me, say I have posted nothing and yet seemingly can’t find the time to go through this nothing I have posted.
Pretty much. Unless a role has some reason to care about names, I don't think we're this will yield scum.
@Iso - Is it 2 on imab then?
Wasn't likely town based off his claim already?
Do you believe your result yesterday was correct after Tom flipped off he said?
Why trust you result at all today?
Worst defence possible.
Given Chris lied, what makes you think we could trust that the other players didn’t lie as well. If there really was a tying theme with names wouldn’t the scum teams spot that and give out fake names like Chris did.
You can’t be surprised he was scum and expect him to be crosskilled, that doesn’t make sense.
tl:dr any player is not me and not likely town based on abilities is probably scum.
Is that fair?
I took this as he neutral aligned and his role was simply exterminator. I would hazard a guess he the werewolf equivalent of Tom, except if he could only investigate whether a player was town aligned.
That's page 36, more after I grab a subway.
I'm busy with parties and Christmas stuff this weekend but I will try to get a post in. Otherwise it won't be until Monday.
First, they didn't claim the same. Gunsmith/mafia cop are different.
Second, Tom clearly said he didn't understand the claim and he didn't know what gunsmith meant (in fact he didn't even care enough to try and find out).
So if he doesn't know what imab's role did, no one can claim that his actions yesterday were because he felt imab's claim and his role didn't make sense together.
Anyway, points moot, as there are now two guilty's on Tom and we absolutely have to lynch him today.
You hear me Nacho?
When I go vla I will often make a note or something but rarely say anything game related. Since we don't know the reason the fair thing to do is wait for him to get back.
It's called fakeclaiming. It was clear Jobie had some sort of result. It was clearly pretty damning. If Tom didn't target either of the kills last night then it's pretty clearly going to be non-town result right?
So he claims non town to buy time, and then tries to come up with a claim that doesn't like he should be lynched.
I don't personally find his claim convincing, so I don't get why it's so unbelievable he came up with it on the spot.
I don't see Tom's claim and imab as conflicting. I certainly don't see how his actions yesterday around the claim specifically support his current claim either.