What are everyone's thoughts a singleton Aven Mindcensor main with 3 Mangara of Corondor I've been thinking about doing a 2/2 split of those creatures or swapping it with a singleton Spirit of the Labyrinth and have a second SoL in the board. I play mainly online and feel like have the card draw hate might be better then the search restriction.
Putting together a list kind of leaning towards a regular GW Zenith build. Has anyone talked about Brimaz, King of Oreskos as a singleton? Also I've seen some talk about a GWb build for discard and a GWr build for Punishing Fire are those lists far better then the regular GW build or is it pure preference?
It can be competitive online just have to really get good at the deck and hope for some lucky matchups. If your not a fan of the 12 post manabase you could go with the sol land package.
I currently play shardless BUG online and have ran into a couple Forgemaster Pilots but they always seem to get the combo out a little slowly. So the trick would be either find a way to pressure the combo out faster or make yourself able to play through disruption. As far as the welder package, chalice on 1 is far stronger then the recursion of welder I think at least online with the super diverse meta.
Very Satisfied with the deck over all the one thing i'm thinking about changing up is dropping the 2 Notion Thief from sideboard, moving 2 Vendilion Clique to the sideboard, and adding 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor to the main deck. Never cast a Vendilion Clique against an opponent and only used it to cycle a card in my hand which having a Jace, the Mind Sculptor would have been better in all situations I had the Vendilion Cliques in hand. I do not want to drop the Liliana of the Veil count below 3 because I had a couple times where I was able to kill a creature, cast a second Liliana of the Veil to get a discard, and help sculpt Tarmogoyf 5/6 very early.
Not sure how I feel about the Ashen Rider in the main been tossing around the idea of Tidespout Tyrant, for the multi-bounce when I bring him into the board and he's blue for Force of Will enabling. Is there a specific reason that a lot of the recent lists have swapped to the Rider in the main vice the tyrant?
Thanks for the advice, ive been testing brimaz and he seems to be a good fit. Im still stuck with the singleton slot after puttong elspeth back in which makes sense. Ideally I would use it and3 more slots for goyf but I don't have them just yet.
Having issues trying to figure out the sideboard I keep feeling like i'm missing something for bad matchups. Any thoughts on mixing it up I've seen a lot of lists run cards that I don't know what they would be good against things like Combust and Celestial Purge. For reference here is the 60 i'm running
I'm already running the Archangel of Thune and Spike Feeder combo, yeah I figured it would be just sometimes I find myself with stalled looking for a late game answer there is so much UWR control online at least that I've been paired against recently.
Has Blood Baron of Vizkopa been discusses before, I was thinking of replacing the metamorph with him maindeck to have another lifelink beatdown option, thinking I could pod him in off of a redcap or ranger.
Messing around with pod online. Not sure if I like the Phyrexian metamorph in the main trying to figure out what to put in that 1 of utility spot, maybe Courser of Kruphix once it goes live online. Any critiques or advice would be pretty awesome. I used to play Melira Pod back when RTR came out and loved the deck now the the addition of the Archangel of Thune and Spike Feeder combo to slap in it is pretty awesome.
Putting together a list for Zoo. I'd prefer to play more of a midrange with a little bit of explosiveness at the beginning so i'm posting my build in this thread vice the other pure explosion thread. I'm not a fan of the Tarmogoyf's and would like to replace them with some other stuff, I just don't see them getting huge with the low amount of interaction with other decks. I really could just be overthinking that though. Anyway any and all critiques and advice is greatly appreciated.
I'm currently trying to assemble a list to play on MTGO. Build i'm looking at is pretty stock from everything I've seen. Is there any minor changes or corrections any more seasoned elves players could suggest would be greatly appreciated but I think this should cover most the bases. I am pretty excited to start playing the deck it looks like it has a lot of nice interactions to learn and get used to.
At first I was psyched for Spirit of the Lab as a new tool for the deck to use, but the more and more I play tested with it I found it super situational and pure sideboard at best. 2-3 in the board to mess with combo card draw for ANT, Elves, Omnitell, and high tide. There are better and more consolidated answers to those decks anyway so i'm hesitant if it even makes the 75.
On a side note has everyone stopped using mangara of corondor, I still run a couple copies for the board clearing abilities with karakas, but if there's a reason people don't run it anymore I would really appreciate the scoop.
I currently play shardless BUG online and have ran into a couple Forgemaster Pilots but they always seem to get the combo out a little slowly. So the trick would be either find a way to pressure the combo out faster or make yourself able to play through disruption. As far as the welder package, chalice on 1 is far stronger then the recursion of welder I think at least online with the super diverse meta.
2 Bayou
2 Creeping Tar Pit
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
2 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
Creatures (14)
4 Shardless Agent
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Vendilion Clique
3 Liliana of the Veil
Spells (20)
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Ancestral Vision
2 Thoughtseize
2 Hymn to Tourach
3 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Notion Thief
2 Golgari Charm
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Thoughtseize
2 Maelstrom Pulse
Game 1: UW Miracles
Round 1: Overwhelmed by control and locked down by Counterbalance, Sensei's Divining Top, Karakas, and Venser, Shaper Savant
Round 2: Able to get control with discard and win with 2 Tarmogoyf.
Round 3: Misplayed and didn't Force of Will the Misdirection of my Abrupt Decay on Counterbalance, almost able to come back via Liliana of the Veil's ultimate but he Sensei's Divining Top'd twice to find Entreat the Angels for 5.
Game 2: Burn
Round 1: Able to Outrace via discard and Tarmogoyf.
Round 2: Went Close had to use Deathrite Shaman to gain life instead of deal damage, lost to Price of Progress.
Round 3: Got turn 2 Liliana of the Veil active followed by Tarmogoyf to out race.
Game 3: Storm
Round 1: Turn 3 he hits an unlucky Ad Nauseam to lose.
Round 2: Sideboarded in 2 Hymn to Tourach, 2 Thoughtseize, and 2 Phyrexian Revoker took out 4 Abrupt Decay and 2 Vendilion Clique. Mulligan to 6 keeping heavy discard. Destroy his had Shardless Agent into Phyrexian Revoker naming Lion's Eye Diamond and attack for lethal with 2 Phyrexian Revokers and 1 Shardless Agent over turns.
Game 4: Merfolk
Round 1: Absolutly swarmed by Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, and True-name Nemesis.
Round 2: Side in 2 Maelstrom Pulse and side out 2 Vendilion Clique. Able to get 2 Deathrite Shaman online early and 2 Shardless Agent into 2 Tarmogoyf maintaining control with discard. He was only able to get some chump blockers and 1 True-name Nemesis online by the time he got 2 I was able to kill with Deathrite Shaman.
Round 3: He kept a land light hand due to Æther Vial. Had 2 Abrupt Decay, 1 Deathrite Shaman, 1 Liliana of the Veil, and 1 Shardless Agent. Got Board control and rode Liliana of the Veil and a Tarmogoyf to win.
Very Satisfied with the deck over all the one thing i'm thinking about changing up is dropping the 2 Notion Thief from sideboard, moving 2 Vendilion Clique to the sideboard, and adding 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor to the main deck. Never cast a Vendilion Clique against an opponent and only used it to cycle a card in my hand which having a Jace, the Mind Sculptor would have been better in all situations I had the Vendilion Cliques in hand. I do not want to drop the Liliana of the Veil count below 3 because I had a couple times where I was able to kill a creature, cast a second Liliana of the Veil to get a discard, and help sculpt Tarmogoyf 5/6 very early.
and sideboard of:
Not sure how I feel about the Ashen Rider in the main been tossing around the idea of Tidespout Tyrant, for the multi-bounce when I bring him into the board and he's blue for Force of Will enabling. Is there a specific reason that a lot of the recent lists have swapped to the Rider in the main vice the tyrant?
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Noble Hierarch
3 Voice of Resurgence
4 Loxodon Smiter
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Woolly Thoctar
4 Arid Mesa
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Marsh Flats
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Temple Garden
2 Stomping Ground
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Treetop Village
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Path to Exile
Planeswalker (6)
3 Domri Rade
2 Ajani Vengeant
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
This is what i'm currently thinking, i'm sure it's not so good sideboards have always been hard for me to make.
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Wall of Roots
2 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
2 Viscera Seer
2 Murderous Redcap
4 Kitchen Finks
1 Archangel of Thune
1 Spike Feeder
2 Voice of Resurgence
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Eternal Witness
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Reveillark
3 Forest
1 Swamp
3 Gavony Township
1 Godless Shrine
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Overgrown Tomb
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Temple Garden
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Woodland Cemetery
Spells (9)
4 Birthing Pod
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Chord of Calling
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sin Collector
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Shriekmaw
3 Dismember
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Spellskite
4 Thoughtseize
I'm sure there are a couple other things I could tweek that i'm just not seeing though.
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Wall of Roots
2 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
2 Viscera Seer
2 Murderous Redcap
4 Kitchen Finks
1 Archangel of Thune
1 Spike Feeder
2 Voice of Resurgence
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Eternal Witness
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Reveillark
3 Forest
1 Swamp
3 Gavony Township
1 Godless Shrine
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Overgrown Tomb
2 Razorverge Thicket
1 Temple Garden
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Woodland Cemetery
Spells (9)
4 Birthing Pod
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Chord of Calling
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Sin Collector
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Shriekmaw
3 Dismember
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Spellskite
4 Thoughtseize
4 Wild Nacatl
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Loxodon Smiter
2 Scavenging Ooze
Lands (22)
4 Arid Mesa
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Marsh Flats
2 Forest
2 Plains
3 Temple Garden
2 Stomping Ground
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lightning Helix
3 Path to Exile
Planeswalker (5)
3 Domri Rade
2 Ajani Vengeant
1 Birchlore Rangers
2 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Elvish Mystic
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Viridian Shaman
4 Wirewood Symbiote
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
2 Bayou
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Savannah
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
4 Gaea's Cradle
Spells (11)
4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Progenitus
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Natural Order
4 Thoughtseize
On a side note has everyone stopped using mangara of corondor, I still run a couple copies for the board clearing abilities with karakas, but if there's a reason people don't run it anymore I would really appreciate the scoop.