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Excuse me, but how does that work again?

Also, while we're here, what does a "benthic druid" do? Manage algae and coral and anemones?

wat.

Quote from MightyPox »

Anyhow, I was also extremely excited about Tatyova when she was first spoiled but now after thinking about a deck for her I think that she will get removed pretty often, no?
I mean even an unexperienced player will realise how powerful her abilites are.
Which means the we a) have to dedicate a lot of deck space to cards that are protecting her or b) cast her only on a combo turn.

What do you think?

You're in blue. Even more, most builds are going to want to vomit lands everywhere and draw half the deck, meaning things like Thwart and Foil synergize with her, and much of the time you'll have mana for other forms of countermagic as well.

The Great Aurora almost made the cut in mine, but so did a lot of other things. Tatyova is incredibly strong.



It's not like Crucible of Worlds and Strip Mine needed another place to shine but here we are.

Quote from Impossible »

Whatever the RC's intentions, they will have to reckon with the fact that sooner rather than later a lot of potential EDH players are going to be priced out of the format.

You can build good decks and have fun without playing Reserved List cards.


But yeah, the secondary market for RL right now sucks, and will continue to suck.

I'm trying to use her as a land denial strategy with stuff like Overburden, Mana Vortex, Mana Breach, Sunder + Manabond. Just threw it together last night and have some playtesting to do.

The value she provides is pretty extreme though. She's received some attention, but I think she's flying way under the radar right now. Even at 5 mana she seems a bit broken to me. I probably won't keep my build for very long as I hate UG goodstuff, but I wanted to try the denial strat and see how it performed.

Quote from SavannahLion »

You mean like Sean Dugas that was killed for his collection?

There it is. Welp, this got dark.

Tragic Slip is probably underrated and Lightning Bolt is definitely underrated.

Quote from JaceBluesMaster »

We already do it with Diamonds.

Which is a great thing. I'm now trying to think of a blood-diamond comparison to MTG lol.

If we could easily synthesize gold do you think we would?

I ran through that scenario too, like when the guy is sitting there with his mouth agape not noticing Cryo covertly ninja-toss a mint in his mouth from a distance.

Just hold your breath as you walk by, casually and forcefully shove a handful of mints in his mouth, then awkwardly run away.

Even having a budget deck stolen is a huge bummer.

Depends on the rest of your deck. I'd say if your mana curve can support it Volcanic Offering has by far the highest impact, if you need to keep it at cmc of 4 then I'd go Wrecking ball.

Hey Ulka! It has been ages!

Kiddos keeping me busy... hah. Will be nice when they are old enough to play magic.

I should not have even tried. What a tire fire.

Quote from Demonologo Uriel »

Actually I provided 12 links of a Serra Ascendant complain. Which Papa_Funk reply it was meaningless because they were not enough data. But in fact, I bringed data, while he didn't bringed literally nothing except "look at the Internet, you'll see people complain.". The same Internet which gives me billions on threads complaining of Sol Ring by the way.

There are examples in this forum of people "complaining" about every single card on the ban list. A vocal minority being vocal is not the quantitative evidence that you're treating it as.

So, I will ask, it's a card complained by the players worth or not worth of banning? Because if "lot of people whine all the time" a ban criteria, then Sol Ring should be banned. It always bring huge controversy in threads and it's used and abused in every single EDH list that abuse of fast mana for degenerate unfun games. If the "Lof of people whine all the time" is is not a ban criteria, we should ignore as well in that case all the people complaining Prime Time and Primordial because those cards, in a vacuum, can be played in a perfectly fair way...like a Sol Ring I guess.

I've never seen an Acquire grab a Sol Ring and (when legal) you almost never saw a Bribery grab anything other than a Primeval Titan or Sylvan Primordial. Those two cards were more centralizing and format warping than anything I have seen since and it is not close. This is apples/oranges. You had to build decks with these cards in mind whether you were playing them or planning on playing against them.

Were the same true for Sol Ring, we'd see a whole lot more Mental Missteps and 1 CMC artifact removal other than Nature's Claim.

And, please, don't tell me, that "warp the game" is a problem. It's more problem a Teferi that abuses of Stasis to lock everyone's games and still the card is legal. I think it's pretty much absurd that cards that serve no purpose to freeze the game and bring to frustrating board states are legal, while cards that promote interactive games or at least don't prevent people to play their games, should get the banhammer.

And don't tell me either the argument that "if somebody is playing Stasis (or any similar card) is because it want purposelly to ruin the game"; because it's an argument that makes zero sense. Of course it's a card that brings willfully only to unfun board states, if ignoring purposelly unfun cards was enough, there would be no need to ban cards like Limited Resources, Worldfire, Sway of the Stars, Upheavel, Erayo, Braids and similar.

You are now just complaining about cards you don't like. That Stasis doesn't conform to your pre-conceived notion of 'fun' doesn't make it ban-worthy.

There are years of archives of why Protean Hulk, Metalworker, Staff of Domination, Kokusho or Worldgorger Dragon were banned and guess what? Today they are all unbanned despite all the reasons they were banned in the first place. Your point is meaningless. Cards in this format are not banned forever. And are also (but not only of course) threads like this that can help the RC to possibly re-evaluating the previous judgment of the cards.

Two things:
1. A card previously banned being unbanned now after years of discussion and examination is not evidence that all currently banned cards will be unbanned.
2. You complain about papafunk's stance on this, yet this paragraph is evidence that the RC listens and is open to re-evaluating cards.

I think there are good arguments to be made for and against Sol Ring being in the format, but far too much of thread is hyperbole and yelling at clouds.