So then you don't believe God is the arbiter of morality but instead is held to some external standard?
I suppose so. I mean, I don't believe in Divine Command Theory.
But I guess my problem with this dichotomy has always been that if we then say, "Well then God must be held to some external standard," my question becomes, "Well what is that standard, exactly? From whence does it come?" And I'm not saying God is the only possible source of morality, I'm asking from whence does morality come?
This sort of reminds me of the paradox "if God made the universe, in where did God exist before that?" The only logical answer to that I believe is "within himself" which would mean that God isn't just an awareness but a place also.
So using this logic, God doesn't have to adhere to some external morality to himself if he is himself morality also.
To me, this seems to be the only logically consistent solution to the paradox you presented.
I mean, do you want me to take a highlighter and go through a copy of the Bible or something?
The point is Genesis is pretty heavily mythologized. No, I don't believe Abraham was actually told by God to go sacrifice his son. This evidently was a story that was passed down, and people might have and might still approach this story with the belief that it is actually what happened, but I don't. That's antithetical to my understanding of God.
I'm not a believer, but that a "loving" God would ask for a human sacrifice doesn't make sense to me either. Just curious where does your understanding of God come from?
My question to you is if God told you to sacrifice your own child to him, would you do it? What if God told you to sacrifice someone else's child to him? Would you do it?
We're talking sacrifice in the old sense of the word? Tie someone up and then kill them as an offering to a god or to God? Of course not. God would never ask that.
But God asked Abraham to do exactly that. I'll ask the question differently, if you were Abraham and God had just told you to sacrifice your son, would you do it like Abraham was about to?
Do you know where the idea that God wouldn't ask someone to do this again comes from?
Edit: Also, that's arguably not even the worst thing God has asked someone to do, in first Samuel God commands Samuel to commit genocide against the Melekite tribe; "kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." I guess the question at this point is if you would kill your own kid as well as someone elses, would you organize the extermination of an entire people if God told you to? Or is this another thing that God would never ask a person to do nowadays?
In the book of Genesis God commands Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac to him as a sign of devotion, and after getting Isaac to follow him to the top of a hill and tying him to an altar, an angel intervenes to stop Abraham from killing Isaac, Abraham notices a ram stuck in some bushes near by and sacrifices it instead.
My question to you is if God told you to sacrifice your own child to him, would you do it? What if God told you to sacrifice someone else's child to him? Would you do it?
I was flipping through my commons/uncommons and I came across this, ages ago when I first started playing magic in middle school, a guy in my carpool played this card in his UB deck. This seems pretty freakin solid, dinging your opponents for 2 ever time they play a creature or them paying an extra 2 is a fantastic deal for U2.
So I had the experience today of lending a buddy an my Reaper King Changeling tribal deck, and as he played the card Shapesharer he copied an opponents Prophet of Kruphix, so I was like, "why did you do that my buddy?" then he was like "Shapesharer turns the shapeshifter into the target creature until your next turn, not just until end of turn!" then I was like "Whoa! Reading is tech!".
Any cards that you guys play that people usually misread or that you have misread?
Just curious what yall thought was a good length for a game of EDH. I prefer a game less than 90 minutes, games longer than that are a bit draining for me. You guys?
Hell is most definitely very very metal, I never meant to imply it wouldn't be, and I'll concede that depictions of hell are infinitely more metal than some bs abstract "art" "black square inside of bigger black square" depiction of a no afterlife universe, although I can imagine in hell being subjected to the arrogant conceited "you could never appreciate something as great as this attitude" of some snobby art critic about how genius the above piece of abstract "art" is, he being sent to hell presumably for being a insufferable douche. Or like I imagine a flaming Satan with red hot facial piercings after the finale of the nightly show jumping onto the outstretched hands of the damned, who are forced to hold him aloft as the skin is literally burnt off/hands are impaled by the spikes on his leather jacket. After the devil and his demon drummer/chris brown on back up vocals played their set next up would be like the duo of Gengis Khan doing Tuvan throat singing backed up by Hernan Cortes on Spanish guitar with Joseph Stalin as a back up dancer doing the Russian folk dance crouch-kicks and Adolf Hitler in Lederhosen doing some tradional German dance. By the time that all finished it would be pretty late and I'd probably have to drive way out of my way to take one of my friends home because he has work early in the morning the next day, he'd throw up in my car on my way back, then I'd get a flat tire and have to call triple A and it would take forever for the guy to show up and it would be like 5 in the morning when I finally got home, that night would turn out to be total hell basically, but to be expected in actual hell.
I'd have to go with dying and your life being over, done, finished, out of the park! And since I'm a born and raised member of The Church of Heavy Metal this means in order to be consistent in my beliefs I mustn't believe in god for this to be the most metal of all possible worlds!
So this guy is pretty interesting, it does a few different things, first it acts as grave hate for creatures, with a replacement exile effect blanking dies triggers, second it lets you selectively re-grave creatures at your discretion should you wish to reanimate something, thirdly has has the potential to be a ginormous tramply beater of doom blade. What peoples experiences with this guy been?
This sort of reminds me of the paradox "if God made the universe, in where did God exist before that?" The only logical answer to that I believe is "within himself" which would mean that God isn't just an awareness but a place also.
So using this logic, God doesn't have to adhere to some external morality to himself if he is himself morality also.
To me, this seems to be the only logically consistent solution to the paradox you presented.
I'm not a believer, but that a "loving" God would ask for a human sacrifice doesn't make sense to me either. Just curious where does your understanding of God come from?
What parts of the bible do you believe are true?
But God asked Abraham to do exactly that. I'll ask the question differently, if you were Abraham and God had just told you to sacrifice your son, would you do it like Abraham was about to?
Edit: Also, that's arguably not even the worst thing God has asked someone to do, in first Samuel God commands Samuel to commit genocide against the Melekite tribe; "kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." I guess the question at this point is if you would kill your own kid as well as someone elses, would you organize the extermination of an entire people if God told you to? Or is this another thing that God would never ask a person to do nowadays?
My question to you is if God told you to sacrifice your own child to him, would you do it? What if God told you to sacrifice someone else's child to him? Would you do it?
I was flipping through my commons/uncommons and I came across this, ages ago when I first started playing magic in middle school, a guy in my carpool played this card in his UB deck. This seems pretty freakin solid, dinging your opponents for 2 ever time they play a creature or them paying an extra 2 is a fantastic deal for U2.
Anyone run this?
Any cards that you guys play that people usually misread or that you have misread?
What do you guys think?
So this guy is pretty interesting, it does a few different things, first it acts as grave hate for creatures, with a replacement exile effect blanking dies triggers, second it lets you selectively re-grave creatures at your discretion should you wish to reanimate something, thirdly has has the potential to be a ginormous tramply beater of doom blade. What peoples experiences with this guy been?