@Everyone currently townreading Cuth
Why? I get that he’s an uncountered Vig claim, but other than that, where’s the townie? Like to the point that Vaimes wants to put the game in his hands?
@Bur
Does your ability work if you Skill someone? Or do they have to target you?
I am again so happy to see people still voting like this on day 4, and Tubba's piss poor reaction to the vote.
Would voting Cuth harder make a difference for you? I get that you’re pissed, but this doesn’t help solve me or Cuth. I’ve stated why I think Cuth is scum, and I’m not shocked that he naked voted me. But I’m curious, what reaction are you looking for here?
@Vaimes
I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve pushed Cuth today. He’s been scummy to me all game. I’ve pushed him on his actions not being consistent with his claimed abilities. I’ve questioned him on his targets, looked for insight into his reads. He said that I wouldn’t understand because I’m a wolf. The rest of the game largely ignores me, and is again fine with lynching me because... I’m in the PoE. You yourself are voting me, without even being able to define my scumminess.
I don’t know why my vote isn’t on Cuth, Vote Cuth.
And who are his partners? Or at least one of them? You say you spent the whole phase going after one person, okay - is anyone connected to him?
Vaimes, seriously, this question is silly.
Tubba has literally discussed in several posts that he feels Anak is scum and has even placed him in the scumteam with Cuth. Even a cursory glance at this ISO shows this, what gives?
(Although, his response on p#3900 is interesting. But I'm assuming you didn't plan for that.)
The actual relevant question here is: @Tubba what is the point of placing a vote on Cuth with a nonexistent effort to convince others to yeet him, instead of voting on a leading wagon against a player you insist you find scummy? (Anak)
Talk me through your logic, wit-buddy.
Tubba: I think Cuth is scum because his actions don’t align with his claim and he hasn’t made any strong efforts to solve anyone.
Rest of Thread: That’s nice, we’re going to kill you.
Like I don’t really care anymore. I have nothing else to say about Cuth and apparently I’m the only o e who sees it.
As far as Anak, while I think he’s scummy, there’s a possibility that he did just make mistakes. Thus, my scum team is placed in a tiered order of who I’d prefer to lynch. I’d vote Anak to avoid a mislynch, but frankly I’m not interested in continuing to tread over the same ground over and over until deadline. Nobody seemed at all interested in engaging over my Cuth read, and nothing anyone else is discussing really jumps out at me. I guess KJ’S HR read is new, and makes me rethink somethings. Has anyone claimed roleblocked?
@Vaimes
I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve pushed Cuth today. He’s been scummy to me all game. I’ve pushed him on his actions not being consistent with his claimed abilities. I’ve questioned him on his targets, looked for insight into his reads. He said that I wouldn’t understand because I’m a wolf. The rest of the game largely ignores me, and is again fine with lynching me because... I’m in the PoE. You yourself are voting me, without even being able to define my scumminess.
I don’t know why my vote isn’t on Cuth, Vote Cuth.
And who are his partners? Or at least one of them? You say you spent the whole phase going after one person, okay - is anyone connected to him?
And can I ask why you targeted GJ N1?
Johnny had fire, he was active and I liked his pushing. He felt more town than not, and I figured the sooner I started building a network the better.
As far as anyone being connected to Cuth, that’s difficult considering how little he’s said throughout the game. That’s another part of my problem of his inconsistency. Why wasn’t he talking with “fellow Towns” to determine who would be a good shot? Or about his scum reads to try and gain vit to take the *****? It doesn’t fit.
@Vaimes
I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve pushed Cuth today. He’s been scummy to me all game. I’ve pushed him on his actions not being consistent with his claimed abilities. I’ve questioned him on his targets, looked for insight into his reads. He said that I wouldn’t understand because I’m a wolf. The rest of the game largely ignores me, and is again fine with lynching me because... I’m in the PoE. You yourself are voting me, without even being able to define my scumminess.
I don’t know why my vote isn’t on Cuth, Vote Cuth.
@Vaimes: can you explain to me in a nice and simple way how town!Az and scum!Anal world makes any sense, especially if Anak claimed to Az and Az has been gaining vitality?
I can’t tell you how many times spell check has screwed this up for me...
i'm not saying my play hasn't led to villagers dying, i'm saying i haven't been actively trying to yeet villagers all game
which is true regardless, because i've barely had any pushes this entire game and have spent most of it defending people/reiterating townreads
but it's a fairly meaningless point because obviously your picture of the poe is rather different from mine
I’m not sure what you mean by “meaningless point”. I’m noting that your play hasn’t seemed consistent with your claimed role abilities, or your claimed objectives. You should have pushes, you needed to get your scum reads yeeted.
my personal issue with tubba's posts, and i can understand if you don't resonate with this as much
is that he takes anak/me as his top w-reads
anak isn't, i thin? (i tend to agree with vaimes here?) and i'm not
and then he says "bessie hasn't done much since the tammy stuff", and then puts her third in the poe with a bunch of question marks around her
when he provides ~real reasons to v-read most other people and we know we have four wolves alive
but like seems almost afraid to give more of a read there
so my position is that having two incorrect wolf reads (probably) at the top of the poe isn't damning, but artificially creating distance between those two names and the actually wolfy people in the poe (imo) rings a little worrying to me
especially when his suspicion of me is literally "hasn't been doing much to advance the gamestate"
side note this: "nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it"
is ridiculous
because that was literally what i was trying to do all of d2 and at this point the game's close to over and i'd have to use the ability twice correctly after getting off a shot and survive until at least d7 to use it again
but there's no real consideration as to why, with four wolves left over, i'm a hard wolf and bessie's not at all, though we seem to be in the same subset of players according to his reads
you see what i mean?
I explained why I feel the way I do about you and Anak. It’s what I think is right. Bessie certainly fits the POE, which I said in my post, but I feel less sure.
As far as you charging up your ability, it ties to the theme of your play this game. You weren’t pushing anyone. You weren’t making cases on anyone. If you need to get the lunch to power up your shot, why didn’t you try and get traction on your scum reads? The only slot I can recall any push on was Boom, when that didn’t go you melted away again. I’m calling you a wolf because you’re play looks wolfy! You have to see how it looks, claiming a powerful ability that requires setup and work, and you did no setup nor work.
but when we're talking about me calling a lot of attention to myself and explicitly claiming an obviously provable mechanic
the leading theories for me being a wolf and doing this is to move suspicion off myself? by spending most of my time this game talking about this ability before intentionally not killing anyone or claiming a kill or anything?
because either i do have a kill and i chose not to use it or i have another strong PR and who knows what i was doing there (also i didn't do anything n1) or i didn't have a strong PR at all and i'm doing this because i want to draw attention to myself for ??? reasons instead of spending that time playing the game and trying to get villagers yeeted instead of wolves
i'm not defending the overall quality of my play and depth of my engagement, but this is something that makes far, far more sense if i have exactly the role i have
and people insisting that i'm saying the wolves have exactly one rb and that's damning is pretty silly for numerous reasons
Its arguably working for you, if you’re a wolf. It’s too easy for you to say that’s why you haven’t done anything though. Your argument for not being a wolf is because your play hasn’t led to Townies being killed is falling flat, because Townies have died. You have no argument for being town to go with it. So I don’t see how this should move the needle.
I do, I mean if you aren't a wolf, I'm pretty sure I would move the poe around a little
Cuth/Bessie/Anak/Bur
With boom around and not a wolf with bessie
Like Cuth is always a wolf before people should even think of evaluating highroller, despite his mediocre play here
I think our poe is relatively close but like there aren't many roads to go anymore, so it's hard to say if I should put any weight on that
I can't even hate you for getting frustrated because look at me lol.
I'm frustrated because despite me town siding so hard, this game has just not been going this way, and if I did not claim I would easily already have won.
Yeah, I seem to recall some super intelligent guy mentioning that earlier in the thread...
I’m more frustrated than I have any right to be, I don’t seem to be growing. I feel like I’m thinking better, I’m just communicating *****tier. I’d like to firmly state that I’m not angry or have any ill will towards anyone playing, and only jokingly would like Vaimes to kiss my buttock.
Thanks Tubba, and I do believe your playstyle is kinda the problem, like these emotional, for a better lack of words, bursts don't fully convey your thoughts that well.
Also Vaimes has a point despite your own self-bias.
Oh, I absolutely know he does, I just don’t know what to do about it. I’m not prolific at the best of times, I prefer to sit and think about a problem by myself quietly. It doesn’t translate well to forum Mafia. I’d like to try a live game sometime to see if my shyness for lack of a better term has a chance to dissolve.
Do you think I have any valid points or am I just blowing smoke?
...dude your role sucks, especially compared to everything else.
Right, I'm off, and I promise to actually try to hunt next time I post instead of just exploding at everything that moves.
Question for when I return (Aside from what I've already asked): Who's NOT witted?
Wisp
Bessie
Boom
Cuth...?
Bur, I think?
Speaking of witted: I have severe doubts tubba is scum, so talk to me on why you think he is - there's a chance I've got conf bias here.
Come back with an actual PoE and we'll talk about Tubba.
My only read there is "has made no serious effort to lift self out of PoE, despite knowing he perpetually resides there otherwise."
I’d like to calmly and cordially, with the utmost respect and friendliness, invite you to kiss the darkest part of my ass. I’ve made several posts today regarding Anak/Az, have questioned Wisp about their interpretations of Anak/Az and HR/Cuth, and have questioned Cuth regarding his role and his play decisions up to this point. With only Wisp deigning to respond to me, and people seemingly content to just kill whomever, I’m not exactly sure what you’re looking for me to do to “make a serious effort to pull myself out of the POE.” My problems with Cuth, whole is role makes sense to exist in this game, he has done nothing with it, nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it. Coupled with his evasion of my inquiries along those lines and his continued refusal to move the game ANYWHERE, makes it hard to see the Towniness.
Anak doesn’t look good to me, I can’t think of a good reason Az wouldn’t have outed Anak if Anak’s role is what he claimed it to be. Especially considering he made a point to note that Anak would start taking heat once he flipped. My guess is that Anak claimed Vig/Doc/something powerful that was best kept secret.
Wisp is getting increasingly frustrated and I imagine seeing they were still in the game after thinking they would be out with a win is heavily contributing to that. That’s why I’ve tried to engage without being confrontational, to get them thinking about the possibilities of what’s going on. If you assume HR is truthful, that’s fine but it should have no bearing on whether or not you think Cuth is. The roles as claimed and revealed via flip show HR’s ability protecting redirects etc, from townfirmed flip Rhand, so that’s another factor to consider. Also, you can’t simply assume Az is dumb or trolling and clear Anak. There’s more beneath the surface there.
My PoE is Cuth/Anak/???/???, I don’t think Sloth or Vaimes is ***, I feel I would’ve been yeeted D2 otherwise. I’m not sure how to interpret Bur’s role, it naturally feels townie? Tammy still feels obvTown and the uncountered Doc claim is pretty substantial, HR has been too bombastic in their approach to things they don’t like or agree with, where I think scum would be more conciliatory? But their role seems to counter a townfirmed Jailkeeper? Obviously there could be fake scum claims, but I don’t recall anyone claiming to be role blocked? Mechanics aside, I think HR is town. Bessie is a possible fit as scum, they just feel like they’ve been on the fringes of the game after making a big splash coming in hard at Tammy. Boom has been much better than Chad, judging them for their posts, I see someone thinking about solving this game. I think some of the plans they’ve brought forward are silly, but I can see where their thoughts come from at least, even if I don’t agree with them. KJ is starting to show up and I’ve liked that they’re pushing down their own paths. That’s indicative of KJasColumbo that equals Town. So I guess, Cuth/Anak/?Bessie?/?HR?Bur?
arguing I aint doing anything though, that really pisses me off
To be fair, the argument isn’t that you’re not doing anything, but that you’re not doing it with the care and thought you were before. You seem to be making snap assumptions that don’t consider all the info. I get it that you don’t want to die or lose your chance to win. Your stance on Az/Anak and HR/Cuth are starting points for a discussion but you’re taking them as a foregone conclusion and snapping at people that bring it up to talk about it.
@Bessie
How do I know this? because I have to either assume that Azreal is 1. an idiot, or 2. griefing us
I'm confused. If Anak's claim is true then that would require Az to be a... bad player with a poor grasp of what information is useful to town and when. Everything I've seen of Azreal points to the opposite.
because he didn't claim it? if u think that makes Anak a wolf, then this game is easy right? what the **** are we doing with our lives?
Azreal is a human being, not a robot, who spent much of the game playing 4d chess
You guys are the ones equating this with stupidity, not me
also how about you know? we actually listen to Azreal's reads, then if that is what you believe?
hmm hmm hmm
so astounding right?
this game is pissing me off now
It doesn’t make him a wolf, but it doesn’t make him town either. Whereas if Az had claimed it, would pretty well lockTown him. He didn’t and we have to figure out what that means.
1. Az is stupid
2. Ax is trolling us
3. Ax let it slip his mind while focusing on getting other reads out
4. Anak claimed a different role that Az felt good enough about, and wanted to keep it secret
5. Anak’s role allows him some unspecified benefit that he’s left out of his claim
1 doesn’t seem likely, neither does 2. 3 is a good possibility, 4 is a possibility, 5 is tinfoil time, but my point is you can’t just write it off as a given at this point.
@Everyone currently townreading Cuth
Why? I get that he’s an uncountered Vig claim, but other than that, where’s the townie? Like to the point that Vaimes wants to put the game in his hands?
@Bur
Does your ability work if you Skill someone? Or do they have to target you?
Would voting Cuth harder make a difference for you? I get that you’re pissed, but this doesn’t help solve me or Cuth. I’ve stated why I think Cuth is scum, and I’m not shocked that he naked voted me. But I’m curious, what reaction are you looking for here?
Tubba: I think Cuth is scum because his actions don’t align with his claim and he hasn’t made any strong efforts to solve anyone.
Rest of Thread: That’s nice, we’re going to kill you.
Like I don’t really care anymore. I have nothing else to say about Cuth and apparently I’m the only o e who sees it.
As far as Anak, while I think he’s scummy, there’s a possibility that he did just make mistakes. Thus, my scum team is placed in a tiered order of who I’d prefer to lynch. I’d vote Anak to avoid a mislynch, but frankly I’m not interested in continuing to tread over the same ground over and over until deadline. Nobody seemed at all interested in engaging over my Cuth read, and nothing anyone else is discussing really jumps out at me. I guess KJ’S HR read is new, and makes me rethink somethings. Has anyone claimed roleblocked?
Johnny had fire, he was active and I liked his pushing. He felt more town than not, and I figured the sooner I started building a network the better.
As far as anyone being connected to Cuth, that’s difficult considering how little he’s said throughout the game. That’s another part of my problem of his inconsistency. Why wasn’t he talking with “fellow Towns” to determine who would be a good shot? Or about his scum reads to try and gain vit to take the *****? It doesn’t fit.
I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve pushed Cuth today. He’s been scummy to me all game. I’ve pushed him on his actions not being consistent with his claimed abilities. I’ve questioned him on his targets, looked for insight into his reads. He said that I wouldn’t understand because I’m a wolf. The rest of the game largely ignores me, and is again fine with lynching me because... I’m in the PoE. You yourself are voting me, without even being able to define my scumminess.
I don’t know why my vote isn’t on Cuth, Vote Cuth.
I can’t tell you how many times spell check has screwed this up for me...
I’m not sure what you mean by “meaningless point”. I’m noting that your play hasn’t seemed consistent with your claimed role abilities, or your claimed objectives. You should have pushes, you needed to get your scum reads yeeted.
I explained why I feel the way I do about you and Anak. It’s what I think is right. Bessie certainly fits the POE, which I said in my post, but I feel less sure.
As far as you charging up your ability, it ties to the theme of your play this game. You weren’t pushing anyone. You weren’t making cases on anyone. If you need to get the lunch to power up your shot, why didn’t you try and get traction on your scum reads? The only slot I can recall any push on was Boom, when that didn’t go you melted away again. I’m calling you a wolf because you’re play looks wolfy! You have to see how it looks, claiming a powerful ability that requires setup and work, and you did no setup nor work.
Its arguably working for you, if you’re a wolf. It’s too easy for you to say that’s why you haven’t done anything though. Your argument for not being a wolf is because your play hasn’t led to Townies being killed is falling flat, because Townies have died. You have no argument for being town to go with it. So I don’t see how this should move the needle.
Yeah, I seem to recall some super intelligent guy mentioning that earlier in the thread...
I’m more frustrated than I have any right to be, I don’t seem to be growing. I feel like I’m thinking better, I’m just communicating *****tier. I’d like to firmly state that I’m not angry or have any ill will towards anyone playing, and only jokingly would like Vaimes to kiss my buttock.
Oh, I absolutely know he does, I just don’t know what to do about it. I’m not prolific at the best of times, I prefer to sit and think about a problem by myself quietly. It doesn’t translate well to forum Mafia. I’d like to try a live game sometime to see if my shyness for lack of a better term has a chance to dissolve.
Do you think I have any valid points or am I just blowing smoke?
I’d like to calmly and cordially, with the utmost respect and friendliness, invite you to kiss the darkest part of my ass. I’ve made several posts today regarding Anak/Az, have questioned Wisp about their interpretations of Anak/Az and HR/Cuth, and have questioned Cuth regarding his role and his play decisions up to this point. With only Wisp deigning to respond to me, and people seemingly content to just kill whomever, I’m not exactly sure what you’re looking for me to do to “make a serious effort to pull myself out of the POE.” My problems with Cuth, whole is role makes sense to exist in this game, he has done nothing with it, nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it. Coupled with his evasion of my inquiries along those lines and his continued refusal to move the game ANYWHERE, makes it hard to see the Towniness.
Anak doesn’t look good to me, I can’t think of a good reason Az wouldn’t have outed Anak if Anak’s role is what he claimed it to be. Especially considering he made a point to note that Anak would start taking heat once he flipped. My guess is that Anak claimed Vig/Doc/something powerful that was best kept secret.
Wisp is getting increasingly frustrated and I imagine seeing they were still in the game after thinking they would be out with a win is heavily contributing to that. That’s why I’ve tried to engage without being confrontational, to get them thinking about the possibilities of what’s going on. If you assume HR is truthful, that’s fine but it should have no bearing on whether or not you think Cuth is. The roles as claimed and revealed via flip show HR’s ability protecting redirects etc, from townfirmed flip Rhand, so that’s another factor to consider. Also, you can’t simply assume Az is dumb or trolling and clear Anak. There’s more beneath the surface there.
My PoE is Cuth/Anak/???/???, I don’t think Sloth or Vaimes is ***, I feel I would’ve been yeeted D2 otherwise. I’m not sure how to interpret Bur’s role, it naturally feels townie? Tammy still feels obvTown and the uncountered Doc claim is pretty substantial, HR has been too bombastic in their approach to things they don’t like or agree with, where I think scum would be more conciliatory? But their role seems to counter a townfirmed Jailkeeper? Obviously there could be fake scum claims, but I don’t recall anyone claiming to be role blocked? Mechanics aside, I think HR is town. Bessie is a possible fit as scum, they just feel like they’ve been on the fringes of the game after making a big splash coming in hard at Tammy. Boom has been much better than Chad, judging them for their posts, I see someone thinking about solving this game. I think some of the plans they’ve brought forward are silly, but I can see where their thoughts come from at least, even if I don’t agree with them. KJ is starting to show up and I’ve liked that they’re pushing down their own paths. That’s indicative of KJasColumbo that equals Town. So I guess, Cuth/Anak/?Bessie?/?HR?Bur?
To be fair, the argument isn’t that you’re not doing anything, but that you’re not doing it with the care and thought you were before. You seem to be making snap assumptions that don’t consider all the info. I get it that you don’t want to die or lose your chance to win. Your stance on Az/Anak and HR/Cuth are starting points for a discussion but you’re taking them as a foregone conclusion and snapping at people that bring it up to talk about it.
1. Az is stupid
2. Ax is trolling us
3. Ax let it slip his mind while focusing on getting other reads out
4. Anak claimed a different role that Az felt good enough about, and wanted to keep it secret
5. Anak’s role allows him some unspecified benefit that he’s left out of his claim
1 doesn’t seem likely, neither does 2. 3 is a good possibility, 4 is a possibility, 5 is tinfoil time, but my point is you can’t just write it off as a given at this point.