Whoa, one single primeval in the entire deck, I'm so impressed. I'm thinking more along the lines of elves that don't instantly die to burn and delver.
I mean, with that attitude, I'm faintly shocked that anyone bothered to reply. Build your own big creature deck if you're so hell-bent on it.
(also, 3-4 GSZ means you get the titan a lot more frequently than if it were really just a 1-of but since you didn't bother to learn anything about the format before asking people to do your research for you, I guess we can't be surprised that you didn't read what any cards in the deck do)
we've ousted people from our play group who had countless proxies of $100+ cards and could never prove they actually owned any of them.
Y'all sound like the kind of group I'd count myself lucky to be ousted from. I'd rather find people who are tolerant and not focused on the pay-to-win aspect of the game.
Just because the block was badly made back then and that there won't be as much hype from the players at first, why not take the opportunity to revisit it and fix its problems and do the plane justice and make it a plane that the players will enjoy.
"let's return to this place that did poorly creatively and mechanically, and caused players to leave the game."
"you're fired"
Maro has committed to an average of about 50% return sets. We've just had 2 new worlds in a row. This means we're due for another return. Maro has also said that response to SoI was that we returned too soon and that "I think the earliest revisit would be at least six, seven years." (though he's notorious for answering vaguely and without a lens into the current state of design). Let's see what's available:
Dominaria: Maro has recently said its chances are slim
Rabiah: They want their own IP now
Ulgrotha: They want Innistrad to be their horror plane
Rath: Gone
Mercadia: Scored poorly (upside down mountains??)
Mirrodin: Gone
Kamigawa: Scored poorly
Ravnica: Returned 5 years ago
Lorwyn: Scored Poorly
Shadowmoor: Probably bound to Lorwyn
Alara: AVAILABLE
Zendikar: Just returned
New Phyrexia: Odds are low due to logistics
Innistrad: Just returned
Ravnica: Returned 5 years ago
Theros: Only 4 years old
Tarkir: Only 3 years old
Regatha: Doesn't count as "new" so we can't "return" there
Vryn: Doesn't count as "new" so we can't "return" there
Zendikar: Returned 2 years ago
Innistrad: Returned 2 years ago
Kaladesh: New
Amonkhet: On the way
My money is on Alara (as excited as I'd be about new phyrexia), followed by a new setting (Vryn?) and then a third Ravnica.
Bigger Better Games in Fremont, CA is consistently firing 10-proxy "casual" legacy events on Sundays at 2:00pm. Buy-in from $10-$15 (depending on how many noobz show up)
Because of the proxy level and the number of old-school players, the meta is decently developed. I've seen basically every pricey deck represented (and a good bit of rogue and budget, of course).
Bigger Better Games in Fremont, CA is consistently firing 10-proxy casuals on Sundays at 2:00pm. Buy-in from $10-$15 (depending on how many noobz show up)
Bigger Better Games in Fremont (880 at Automall) started up some legacy tournaments on Thursdays, ~7:30ish (supposed to be 7 but they hold it for stragglers if you call ahead). $5, 10-proxy, fires at 6 players. Relatively low-power meta with a couple high rollers (some of them are experienced enough to know to draw against Manaless).
Hard to believe there's no discussion about it yet. Anyone have any thoughts?
Then, beginning with the starting player and proceeding in turn order, any player whose opening hand has fewer cards than his or her starting hand size may scry 1.
Any love for Curse of the Swine? It's kind of an MVP in my meta. Blanks the best X threats on the board, hits regenerators, indestructibles, threatening evaders, pesky utility critters... It's kind of like a plague wind for relevant creatures.
This was the second serious deck I built after I got back into the game. I had been buying C/U playsets for cheap ways to build up enjoyable decks, and I fell in love with Esperzoa. Seemed really powerful so he became the core of the deck. I realize that Thopter foundry is more abusable, but I don't want a deck that everyone fears; just one that hangs in there until it can take control of the game.
what was I thinking? (i'll tell ya; i thought they were similar to populate, not doubling counters.) ;o
not sure how i'd tap the Bairn, so vorel seems better.
Edit: Changes made, OP updated. Not so many Champion of Lambholt because he's not as strong as some of the guild guys, but now I worry that I don't have enough creatures to support the counters theme. Momentous fall and more "fun when I die guys" to support the Jarad theme, too.
I'm concerned that I don't have a way to deal with {random bomb that hoses me} anymore. Thinking about putting counters back in OR Reclamation sage, but what to take out is a tough call.
I mean, with that attitude, I'm faintly shocked that anyone bothered to reply. Build your own big creature deck if you're so hell-bent on it.
(also, 3-4 GSZ means you get the titan a lot more frequently than if it were really just a 1-of but since you didn't bother to learn anything about the format before asking people to do your research for you, I guess we can't be surprised that you didn't read what any cards in the deck do)
Y'all sound like the kind of group I'd count myself lucky to be ousted from. I'd rather find people who are tolerant and not focused on the pay-to-win aspect of the game.
"let's return to this place that did poorly creatively and mechanically, and caused players to leave the game."
"you're fired"
Dominaria: Maro has recently said its chances are slim
Rabiah: They want their own IP now
Ulgrotha: They want Innistrad to be their horror plane
Rath: Gone
Mercadia: Scored poorly (upside down mountains??)
Mirrodin: Gone
Kamigawa: Scored poorly
Ravnica: Returned 5 years ago
Lorwyn: Scored Poorly
Shadowmoor: Probably bound to Lorwyn
Alara: AVAILABLE
Zendikar: Just returned
New Phyrexia: Odds are low due to logistics
Innistrad: Just returned
Ravnica: Returned 5 years ago
Theros: Only 4 years old
Tarkir: Only 3 years old
Regatha: Doesn't count as "new" so we can't "return" there
Vryn: Doesn't count as "new" so we can't "return" there
Zendikar: Returned 2 years ago
Innistrad: Returned 2 years ago
Kaladesh: New
Amonkhet: On the way
My money is on Alara (as excited as I'd be about new phyrexia), followed by a new setting (Vryn?) and then a third Ravnica.
Thoughts, discussion?
Moved to Speculation - Wildfire393
Because of the proxy level and the number of old-school players, the meta is decently developed. I've seen basically every pricey deck represented (and a good bit of rogue and budget, of course).
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/changes-starting-pro-tour-magic-origins-2015-06-29
Merged into duplicate thread -Cythare
I'm working on Champion of Lambholt, myself. Grows faster than the paragon, and unblockable is better than trample in most cases.
also, if you card-tag your posts, you'll get more helpful replies (if people don't have to go looking up all the cards you mention)
Repent, Harlequin! (esper artifact bounce):
4x Astral Cornucopia
4x Everflowing Chalice
4x Ichor Wellspring
2x Spine of Ish Sah
4x Thopter Foundry
4x Esperzoa
4x Etherium Sculptor
4x Myr Retriever
2x Sludge Strider
3x Triskelion
4x Arcane Sanctum
10x Island
5x Plains
3x Swamp
Sorcery (3)
3x Remember the Fallen
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Esperzoa allows for abusive comes-into-play effects. Ichor Wellspring for cards, Triskelion for damage, Spine of Ish Sah for cardkill, and can even reset a 2-counter Everflowing Chalice later in the game for mana shenanigans (mananigans?).
Etherium Sculptor helps smooth the mana costs a bit (can be really sickening in multiples), and Thopter Foundry combos nicely with most of the deck for card efficiency (and combo insanely with Myr Retriever, and Spine of Ish Sah).
Sludge Strider loves to see all these artifacts bouncing around (especially when you bounce and play Everflowing Chalice for 0, for a 4-life swing every turn), and your opponent's face will be priceless when you cast Remember the Fallen on an Esperzoa and an Etherium Sculptor that they just killed.
Used to play the likes of: etherium astrolabe, architects of will, myr servitor, prophetic prism, glint hawk. I think it's at a pretty good spot, now. What do you think?
what was I thinking? (i'll tell ya; i thought they were similar to populate, not doubling counters.) ;o
not sure how i'd tap the Bairn, so vorel seems better.
Edit: Changes made, OP updated. Not so many Champion of Lambholt because he's not as strong as some of the guild guys, but now I worry that I don't have enough creatures to support the counters theme. Momentous fall and more "fun when I die guys" to support the Jarad theme, too.
I'm concerned that I don't have a way to deal with {random bomb that hoses me} anymore. Thinking about putting counters back in OR Reclamation sage, but what to take out is a tough call.