I have a suggestion, and I know it may sound a bit controversial.
If you don't like ban talk, then don't enter a thread specifically talking about the State of Modern and B&R.
Crazy, I know.
Edit: Everyone is a critic. :^)
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Apr 16, 2019The slippery ban slope is just another appeal to emotion fallacy, often used by those who don't want to see a key card banned from their deck, painting a picture of Modern spiraling into an endless pit of bans. However, this is far from the case. Bans are few and far between, and WotC doesn't make any decision hastily without significant data backing it.Posted in: Modern
One thing that is never brought up is the influx of players returning to a format after a ban - you can only try to "git gud" for so long before you grow tired of the format.
Lastly, the notion that a majority of Modern players are just salty that their pet decks keep losing is plainly ignorant. My Jund deck loses to Tron, I'm not calling for a ban, unless it somehow starts placing multiple copies in the Top 8 or swells to over 20% of the day two metagame. Additionally, people called for Deathrite Shaman, Treasure Cruise and Eye of Ugin to be banned, and those people were labeled ban wagoners, however, those complaints were definitely justified. Instead of sealing yourself in an echo chamber chanting "Modern is fine! Bans are bad!" people should take what other people say more seriously, as in the case of DRS, Probe and Summer Bloom, there was some merit to their arguments.
Apr 16, 2019Appeal to emotion is strong in this thread.Posted in: Modern
Simple fact is cards will get banned. Maybe not this year, or next, but someday, that is just the unfortunate risk you take playing in a constructive MTG format; WoTC will make mistakes. On the flip side, cards will also get unbanned over time, if deemed safe enough.
Bans do cause some strife within the MTG community but you can't hold a whole format hostage simply because a select few are unwilling to give up their broken toy. If that were the case than we'd still be dealing with Treasure Cruise and Deathrite Shaman.
Mar 9, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from ElectricEye »Next ban/unban announcement on Monday. Is it time for Stoneforge?
I would love that but it's unlikely for this upcoming B/R announcement.
WotC will probably ride the hype wave of Modern Horizons until 2020, then maybe they'll consider an unban. The only B/R change I can see this year is a potential ban of Faithless Looting, but only if it continues to over perform.
Jan 21, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from idSurge »Plenty of tweets dunking on Wizards logic with SFM, but I still see people saying its too good. I dont get it, at all.
Similar to Jace, a bit of apprehension from a past Standard. A lot of players started around Zendikar and the whole Cawblade saga left a sour taste in their mouths. People are more likely to remember a negative experience and act accordingly.
Another is simply aggro players hiding behind the poor disguise of "Stoneforge Mystics limits future design." Turn 3 a Batterskull and you could almost hear the 90's dial-up sound in their head.
Jan 11, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from user-100025877 »I was in the SFM believer camp for a long time but then I read articles and talked to much better players than myself and they all had a few things in common:
.) they said for ages that JTMS and BBE is fine for Modern
.) they think SFM is too good for Modern
This a problem I have with discussing Modern bans and unbans, people often put too much faith in what Pros' say or write, without treating their opinion with a healthy bit of skepticism. Not so say all Pros are wrong, they are good players for a reason, but basing your opinion solely on what they say is foolish.
Not even among Pro players is there a concise opinion regarding SFM, almost as if people are flawed and have innate biases.
Jeff Hoogland ( I know, not the best example ) has stated BBE, Jace and SFM are fine, same with Shaheen Sorani. Brian Braun-Duin also wrote an article discussing the pros of cons of unbanning SFM.
Ari Lax is against SFM, but he also once said if they unban Bitterblossom that he'll show everyone why it was banned. Still waiting on that one, Ari Lax. Peter Ingram is staunchly against SFM, but him along with Ari Lax think Jitte is fine.
Those are just a few examples. You could sift through every pro's opinion on the subject but you'll find just as many contradictory opinions as well.
Quote from user-100025877 »Are any people here who are like: well maybe my assumptions regarding SFM could be wrong?
Or is this a giant echo chamber where everyone is 100 % certain that SFM is fair and it will absolutely be unbanned in the near future?
First, instead of mislabeling it as an "echo chamber" why not stand back and see if they are on to something?
Second, no card is 100% safe to unban. There is always going to be unknown factors but "A life without risk is a life not lived."
To further reiterate the first point, the reason so many people here believe SFM is safe is because she fits well within Modern's current power level. Yes, she nets you advantage upon summoning but plenty of cards legal already do that. In an increasingly fast format you need to tap out, wait a turn before deploying a 4/4 with Life Link and Vigilance; that's not really impressive given the competition.
The only sensible argument against SFM is homogeneity, but again, that is more of an unknown factor. Some of said SFM would slot into Bant Eldrazi, now Bant Spirits, and others have stated Death & Taxes wouldn't even cut Leonin Arbitor. I have recall someone saying Burn would run SFM. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jan 8, 2019Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from DaveJacinto »The discussion of the "salty jund players" was born out of the "need to ban" the whole format. Nuking the entire format including the "Fair Midrange deck killer" would just make Jund the best deck again. Maybe I'm missing something... but that's what it sounds like.
How about we don't broad brush generalize a whole group of Modern players as salty whenever someone suggests a large change to the format? I'm a Midranged fan and I don't want to nuke the format.
Dec 9, 2018Posted in: Modern ArchivesQuote from idSurge »Pro's complaining about KCI making me laugh on Twitter. If its too good, play it and get it banned. I am sure many would thank them.
Think the best part of mentioning KCI on Twitter is summoning this one guy who adamantly defends Ancient Stirrings no matter what.
Pros whinging about Modern is like falling in the ocean and complaining about getting wet.
Dec 2, 2018Wow, this thread is toxic. People are taking what ktkenshinx posted way too personally.Posted in: Modern Archives
In my opinion, I strongly believe there is plenty of users who read this thread on a regular basis but are intimidated from posting due to their opinions being contrary to the predominately Pro-Twin narrative here, hence this thread reads like some passive-aggressive echo chamber at times.
If you are that unhappy with the game than just quit. You are not doing yourself a good, and you'll probably alienating people who would at one time be willing to listen.
Nov 30, 2018Huh?Posted in: Modern Archives
A year ago people were singing Shaheen Soorani's praise when he was on a crusade to free Jace. Now that he's against Splinter Twin it's "Pfftt, you shouldn't take his opinion seriously."
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