Death and Taxes, Mardu, Esper and Jeskai decks would be clear winners as well.
I don't think D&T gets much better with SFM added. That deck really needs another hate bear that attacks a common aspect of the meta-game on the level of Arbiter or Thalia, SFM would help the deck but it would still suffer from the same issues it does now.
Not sure if Esper and Jeskai control decks even run it, maybe it helps a mid-range strategy in those colors or perhaps in enables a new version of caw-blade mid-range to exist. Or maybe they shift towards tap out control
biggest winner IMO is Bant eldrazi simply because the creatures they already run have positive interactions with the creature and the equipment. Just blinking SFM with Displacer for bullets. Fallowed closely by Abzan
certainly other decks will get a boost from SFM but not as much as those two. I mean you could say the same thing about Mental Misstep, it is unbanned all sorts of decks get a boost but others will benefit more than others and perhaps the margins will be vast or perhaps negligible.
I would argue that mana denial is much more core to DnT than the taxing. At least in legacy, its the symmetry-breaking interaction between port/waste and vial that wins me more games than anything else. Thalia is fantastic in legacy too, don't get me wrong, but she works in conjunction with the mana denial plan. You also have karakas and Mom to protect her. A Karakas,a vial on 2 or 3 and the corresponding cmc thalia can make it almost impossible for the opponent to win.
Thalia just isn't nearly as good in a non-cantrip format like modern, and arbiter+ghost quarter, while cute, is easy to play around, and arbiter is really bad on its own. If you want DnT to be a tier 1 deck in the format, you need a wasteland variant that actually functions as denial at the very least.
There has never been a tier 1 white deck and no one comes to cry "white need some love, pls wizards" ....
You want the modern to become like legacy ? meta of 80% of blue decks and boring battles of counterspells ?
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Unban Preordain will help more combo decks (ad nauseam, storm, reanimator) than control decks.
I've been playing legacy for a couple years now, and I don't think I've ever seen "battles of counterspells", Most of the time it's minusing yourself off a FOW to just not lose on the spot, or using countermagic as an attrition tool.
I highly doubt that unbanning one decent cantrip is going to turn the format into a blue hell.
There are also plenty of really strong decks that don't need to play countermagic, thanks to every color getting strong answers, you get tools to keep combo in check like wasteland.
Elves, 43 lands, Death and Taxes, Aggro Loam, the new sweet RB reanimator list, Eldrazi stompy(Which is terrifying to play against), are all really good decks. Sure, meta may be skewed blue, but the difference between a tier 1 and a tier 2, or even tier 3 deck in legacy is a lot smaller than it is in modern, and every color gets to do broken stuff.
And honestly, yeah, I do think that modern could do to be more like legacy. At the very least, you don't need to ban the best deck in legacy every 6 months.
Umezawa's Jitte: This equipment isn't as terrifying with damage no longer using the stack. Aggro likely will not use this card, but it will do well policing 1-toughness creatures. Risk of re-ban: 2/10
Chrome Mox: Yeah, Chrome Mox is good. Mox Opal would have to be banned to allow this guy to see daylight. Banning Mox Opal practically neuters Cheeri0s, slows affinity a tad, and boosts Control. Control NEEDS a boost. Aggro decks like Burn don't want to exile an important burn spell to accelerate. Control and Midrange desperately needs Chrome mox to power out turn 2 Lilianas. Risk of re-ban: 6/10
Jitte basically reads "connect once, win all creature combat for the rest of the round". For 2 and 2, I think that's too strong for the format.
Wasteland needs to be printed in a Standard legal set. Maindecking Pithing Needle (naming Wasteland) should be the price to pay for cheating mana in a format like Modern. Land hate in Modern has so much drawback or it's not effective at all.
If not straight up wasteland, something like a either a waste that has an activation cost of 1, or one that draws your opponent a card when you use it.
The issue with pod is not whether or not answers exist to foil it.
Pods problem was anytime wizards printed a really good creature it slotted directly into pod. Truly it is a shame because Birthing pod was a really fun deck with a lot of different lines of play. It just had to die because unless wizards had a change of heart and decided to stop printing good creatures the deck would just continue to get better.
But even strong creatures can still be tutored with relative ease. eldritch evolution seems just as effective if you're gunning for a 4-6 drop with access to delve creatures. chord of calling is still just as punishing at instant speed.
I don't feel like coco puts a ceiling on what they can stick on a 3 drop. It's also a different card type, and it's way more explosive as opposed to slow
Advantage once you get a persist creature down.
I'm just not sure I see the Pod argument. The card doesn't seem that oppressive to me. Does it force artificial tempo to respect a combo engine like twin or drop an obscene board state for free like pre ban eldrazi?
Was it a consistency issue? I can kind of see that argument in that 1 sideboard hate card would always come in to play if you ran it at 4 tutors and a copy...but I'm already doing this in elves every game 2/3 with ease. I mean developing a slow grind you engine with an eventual win con compared to strats like 8 rack or storm seem pretty innocent to me.
Yes. it was too consistent for wizards. It was a midrange toolbox deck that can instawin. Wizards has quite clearly demonstrated that they would rather you play an attrition based midrange deck rather than a toolbox one.
I mean, in theory a diverse format is a good thing. The problem is that modern is really expensive, and is very much a sideboard format. I would think that if the goal is to create a format where some decks just randomly lose, the barrier to switching decks should be lower. That's very much not the case unless you own the entire format.
Alright, modern is in its current state because of the lack of strong, universal answers.
Current legacy is regarded by just about everyone as a fantastic format because these answers keep everything in check.
You get force and Daze in blue, and miracles is probably the best deck in the format.
Non blue decks get Thalia, wasteland, Karakas, and Port in the case of DnT, Aggro loam and Maverick get Chalics and a Knight of the reliquary toobox.
Modern needs a force and wasteland variant, the format has zero mana denial.
Pauper's also a good example. There's plenty of crazy stuff in the format, Kiln Fiend combo,Elves, Affinity, Kuldotha Boros, and I'm sure I'm missing something else.
The reason that these decks don't take over everything, is again because we have answers that are powerful.
UW or Murasa Tron, UB Teachings, Ux delver, Bx midrange/control all have very powerful generic answers that keep the super fast decks in check.
Your suggestion would need Valakut, all of affinity, every infect creature, Aether Vial, Tarmogoyf, lightning bolt, Ad Nauseam , probably the fetchlands, banned,
That would lose players an insane amount of money, might even be enough to justify a lawsuit. Also, consider that these people would probably never play magic again.
Not everyone wants to play midrange hell like Kitchen Table casual.
If wizards decided to just up and ban an entire format, not even cut support over time, just ban, I would sell my cards in every format so fast, and sink the money into board games, firearms, 40k or some other hobby.
Not good for consumer confidence, your proposal.
Lol, I'm sorry. But simply, I saw your first line and literally burst out laughing.
You would kill Modern instantly with your first point.
Your second would bury it.
If I wanted to play the...format of Standard, I would.
You act like Modern isn't already dying lol. Even without my input, it's turn 4 nonsense keeps over 90% of newly created cards from ever having use in the format. Modern is stagnant because of those current decks. It's far too predictable and a format that's predictable with 1000's of cards is pathetic. It's on it's way where Legacy and vintage are guaranteed.
That is the opposite of the truth. Part of the reason pros don't like modern very much is because you have no idea what you are going to encounter in the first few rounds of an event, and the powerlevel is high enough that random decks can just stomp ya.
The standard players of today get to use thier fatal pushes in eternal formats. Fatal push is a good example of printing cards for eternal formats. They have and can continue to do so.
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Regarding push, that's not really quite true, it requires quite an investment in deckbuilding and in money to really be able to use push. In modern, you really need fetchlands to use push.
And in the eternal formats where its legal, you would want some number of wastelands.
There are 3 good cards on the banlist that would help Control - Preordain, JTMS, and Dig Through Time (this more than the others I'd wager) - well....and Sensei's Top, but that is probably the least likely (CounterTop would be fantastic). I'm hoping we'll get one of these next unban and maybe two. Preordain and DTT would be fantastic imho helping out 2 of the big problem areas for control decks. With WoTC on about printing better answers that would be a good direction. If they're afraid of DTT in Ad Naus, then you can hit that deck. Control and the format at large shouldn't needlessly suffer because of 1 or 2 combo decks imho.
Of those three cards, DTT is the most busted by quite a long shot. It's pretty much always 7 cards deep at instant speed for UU. And even more egregiously, it doesn't even draw the cards, it just puts em right in your hand.
I just clearly stated that we have to work hard for our wins didn't I? Valakut tron and Eldrazi arguably suppress 2 non bgx archtypes in both control and midrange.
Can't we have more midrange than jund? Where did tokens, coco ,dnt, hate bears go?
If aggro is suppressing fast mana/ramp than why is it currently 20%+?
Actually with tight play blue can barely squeeze in wins vs most decks except the ramp/fast mana ones. I doubt blue control would be oppressive without those decks around.
Look at the top decks on mtg goldfish and tell me if my ban suggestions dont the fix blue controls issues lol
Midrange already is the best with bgx...
Blue control in top tier would alleviate a bit of weight bgx is pulling currently in this linear game. So yea I do want them to be the best in the game but not by much, why? Less bans , less linear, more fun
Can't speak for the other decks, but I played hatebears for quite a while, and it's fair game gets you run over by goyfs, and the most unfair thing it can do isn't even that powerful. It lacks a clock and real disruption.
why not add black for thoughtsieze? And maybe a sfm unban?
I mean, in modern, mana denial just doesn't exist, and that makes it really hard to play an aether vial deck.Vial is probally the straight up strongest card in the deck, but there's this lack of cards to abuse it with. Merfolk doesn't really count, vial in that deck is just an accelerant. It also doesn't help that Thalia is pretty bad in modern,thanks to the lack of ubiquitous one mana cantrips and most of the sweet tricks you can do with vial aren't really in, or all that relevant in the format. Vial Arbiter+GQ is cute, but both those cards are really bad on their own. It really does stem back to the complete lack of mana denial in the format.
The problem with adding thoughtseize means you need fetches, and at that point you might as well drop the arbiters and just play straight up BGX, where you have disruption, staying power, and a 2 mana 3/4.
I just clearly stated that we have to work hard for our wins didn't I? Valakut tron and Eldrazi arguably suppress 2 non bgx archtypes in both control and midrange.
Can't we have more midrange than jund? Where did tokens, coco ,dnt, hate bears go?
If aggro is suppressing fast mana/ramp than why is it currently 20%+?
Actually with tight play blue can barely squeeze in wins vs most decks except the ramp/fast mana ones. I doubt blue control would be oppressive without those decks around.
Look at the top decks on mtg goldfish and tell me if my ban suggestions dont the fix blue controls issues lol
Midrange already is the best with bgx...
Blue control in top tier would alleviate a bit of weight bgx is pulling currently in this linear game. So yea I do want them to be the best in the game but not by much, why? Less bans , less linear, more fun
Can't speak for the other decks, but I played hatebears for quite a while, and it's fair game gets you run over by goyfs, and the most unfair thing it can do isn't even that powerful. It lacks a clock and real disruption.
I would argue that mana denial is much more core to DnT than the taxing. At least in legacy, its the symmetry-breaking interaction between port/waste and vial that wins me more games than anything else. Thalia is fantastic in legacy too, don't get me wrong, but she works in conjunction with the mana denial plan. You also have karakas and Mom to protect her. A Karakas,a vial on 2 or 3 and the corresponding cmc thalia can make it almost impossible for the opponent to win.
Thalia just isn't nearly as good in a non-cantrip format like modern, and arbiter+ghost quarter, while cute, is easy to play around, and arbiter is really bad on its own. If you want DnT to be a tier 1 deck in the format, you need a wasteland variant that actually functions as denial at the very least.
I've been playing legacy for a couple years now, and I don't think I've ever seen "battles of counterspells", Most of the time it's minusing yourself off a FOW to just not lose on the spot, or using countermagic as an attrition tool.
I highly doubt that unbanning one decent cantrip is going to turn the format into a blue hell.
There are also plenty of really strong decks that don't need to play countermagic, thanks to every color getting strong answers, you get tools to keep combo in check like wasteland.
Elves, 43 lands, Death and Taxes, Aggro Loam, the new sweet RB reanimator list, Eldrazi stompy(Which is terrifying to play against), are all really good decks. Sure, meta may be skewed blue, but the difference between a tier 1 and a tier 2, or even tier 3 deck in legacy is a lot smaller than it is in modern, and every color gets to do broken stuff.
And honestly, yeah, I do think that modern could do to be more like legacy. At the very least, you don't need to ban the best deck in legacy every 6 months.
Jitte basically reads "connect once, win all creature combat for the rest of the round". For 2 and 2, I think that's too strong for the format.
If not straight up wasteland, something like a either a waste that has an activation cost of 1, or one that draws your opponent a card when you use it.
Yes. it was too consistent for wizards. It was a midrange toolbox deck that can instawin. Wizards has quite clearly demonstrated that they would rather you play an attrition based midrange deck rather than a toolbox one.
Current legacy is regarded by just about everyone as a fantastic format because these answers keep everything in check.
You get force and Daze in blue, and miracles is probably the best deck in the format.
Non blue decks get Thalia, wasteland, Karakas, and Port in the case of DnT, Aggro loam and Maverick get Chalics and a Knight of the reliquary toobox.
Modern needs a force and wasteland variant, the format has zero mana denial.
Pauper's also a good example. There's plenty of crazy stuff in the format, Kiln Fiend combo,Elves, Affinity, Kuldotha Boros, and I'm sure I'm missing something else.
The reason that these decks don't take over everything, is again because we have answers that are powerful.
UW or Murasa Tron, UB Teachings, Ux delver, Bx midrange/control all have very powerful generic answers that keep the super fast decks in check.
Your suggestion would need Valakut, all of affinity, every infect creature, Aether Vial, Tarmogoyf, lightning bolt, Ad Nauseam , probably the fetchlands, banned,
That would lose players an insane amount of money, might even be enough to justify a lawsuit. Also, consider that these people would probably never play magic again.
Not everyone wants to play midrange hell like Kitchen Table casual.
If wizards decided to just up and ban an entire format, not even cut support over time, just ban, I would sell my cards in every format so fast, and sink the money into board games, firearms, 40k or some other hobby.
Not good for consumer confidence, your proposal.
That is the opposite of the truth. Part of the reason pros don't like modern very much is because you have no idea what you are going to encounter in the first few rounds of an event, and the powerlevel is high enough that random decks can just stomp ya.
Nah, Top's fine. Miracles got the ban it needed when DTT got the axe.
Regarding push, that's not really quite true, it requires quite an investment in deckbuilding and in money to really be able to use push. In modern, you really need fetchlands to use push.
And in the eternal formats where its legal, you would want some number of wastelands.
Of those three cards, DTT is the most busted by quite a long shot. It's pretty much always 7 cards deep at instant speed for UU. And even more egregiously, it doesn't even draw the cards, it just puts em right in your hand.
I mean, in modern, mana denial just doesn't exist, and that makes it really hard to play an aether vial deck.Vial is probally the straight up strongest card in the deck, but there's this lack of cards to abuse it with. Merfolk doesn't really count, vial in that deck is just an accelerant. It also doesn't help that Thalia is pretty bad in modern,thanks to the lack of ubiquitous one mana cantrips and most of the sweet tricks you can do with vial aren't really in, or all that relevant in the format. Vial Arbiter+GQ is cute, but both those cards are really bad on their own. It really does stem back to the complete lack of mana denial in the format.
The problem with adding thoughtseize means you need fetches, and at that point you might as well drop the arbiters and just play straight up BGX, where you have disruption, staying power, and a 2 mana 3/4.
Can't speak for the other decks, but I played hatebears for quite a while, and it's fair game gets you run over by goyfs, and the most unfair thing it can do isn't even that powerful. It lacks a clock and real disruption.