The rarity is a bit misleading. These things are going to show up. 1 per case is NOT that rare, not when a store can go through ten cases during release week with little difficulty, and larger stores probably go through much, much more than that. That's 10 expeditions in 10 cases, which with the way some people are hyping, are 10 people randomly receiving $100-$500, and for what? To put this in perspective, modern events at my LGS can get 30 people. The amount of Foil Zen fetches in the room is under five. It's not that pimping isn't popular (because it is), but objectively, most people don't, despite popular belief, automatically equate playing modern (or legacy) to automatically mean they can only play with $100 foils or whatever. People at my LGS aren't jumping heads over heals to immediately purchase every single foil fetchland to come through the doors just because they exist. So, I see no reason as to why these new ones will automatically fly off the shelves like people seem to expect. I get that local scenes vary, and I'm sure some stores have devolved into pissing contests where the only thing that matters is the cost of a deck, but I really think these things are severely overstated/overhyped so far.
Let's assume a print run of 3 billion cards. Five times more than what was being printed in 1995 - I don't think that's farfetched at all, and it could very well be far more than that - it's very likely that this set will be the most hyped and printed set of all time, despite that actual set so far not being very impressive. That's nearly a million booster cases, a million expeditions. Nearly 40,000 of each individual expedition. There are 5,000 WPN stores - perhaps ten time as many non-wpn stores (walmart, target, every store that doesn't have a play space, etc). There's going be a lot of these cards funneling down to the people who actually want them.
And then there's the actual pimp factor. Obviously, this is based on preference. Some people just equate pimpness to price tag (1), which is extremely shallow and vain. Some people equate pimpness to the actual aesthetic appeal(2). Some people equate it to rarity(3), or age(4). Let's start backwards.
(4) - these things are the 'new thing', with all the hype you could expect a shiny full art reprint to garner. By all rights, the older foil fetches should still be considered more pimp
(3) - Comparative rarity is speculative. I wouldn't be surprised if a foil mythic in BFZ is as common as a foil rare from Zen, at least considering frequency. The critical part is there are 25 different expeditions vs 15 mythics. Point is, new scalding tarn vs old foil scalding tarn isn't going to be that huge of a ratio - 1:2, 1:4, not THAT crazy. If we want to compare new hallowed fountain to old foil hallowed fountain (from dissension), I would hazard a guess that the old foil from dissension is actually rarer. And, once you start talking about foreign foils, I suspect russian foils will be rarer than these on every front.
(2) - Some people are blinded by the newness of them, are aren't actually looking at the cards. Some people just automatically assume a $200 card is going to be the most beautiful thing ever, but the harsh reality is, that they aren't. Most of them aren't even better looking that their normal counterpats - have you seen the gatecrash Godless Shrine? It's beautiful. These things aren't even truly full art - the text box hides quite a large portion of them, but again, people just look at if a checkbox has been filled out on a spreadsheet instead of actually looking at it. And the border - it's ugly, though I guess it does sort of remind me of walking through the Unown temples in pokemon, which I guess is sort of expeditiony.
(1) - Value, well, chances are people who would not normally be interested in normal pack foils of these lands are going to be having an illogical urge to have these things, so it's really hard to predict. I'm well aware of that what I logically think these things should be worth is very likely not going to be true, but I just hope that these sort of discussions will help people open their eyes in regards to these, and not just blindly fall in love with pieces of cardboard that just aren't that rare, aren't that good looking, and ultimately not that special.
Honestly, I've been having a hard time trading the extra copies I have away. The decks that run him seem to be coming and going. Scapeshift doesn't seem like it's put up decent results in months, if not years. And amulet/bloom is a very whimsical deck, and it's a very niche group of people who actually try to learn it and play it - I think it's popularity peaked after its big finish and is now on the decline. Now seems like a fine time to pick them up.
My favorite thing about all of these situations is when people have a card likes at X dollars, and it doesn't sell for months, but then they raise their price to X + 5 at the first sign of a possible perceive increase.. Like, they should just be happy that the card that they've been trying to sell at the original price will finally move. It's the best when there's no actual increase in demand, just some guy mucking about.
Wow. This may be the first card I've seen that I've actually been a bit impressed by. That being said, with the popularity of dragon control, there's only a limited amount of room for utility lands, especially ones that sac themselves like Haven of the Spirit Dragon. Getting back a specific dragon is likely stronger than getting a random two cards, but perhaps we may just have both? Either way, I suspect there will at least be some testing to see the viability of it.
The EV that the expeditions add is only a few dollars per box, but the majority of the people who are buying MTG boxes don't care about the math. Like, if you look at worldwake, you've got like a 1 in 2000 chance in getting a foil jace, and such a chance really only adds a miniscule amount of EV per pack, yet it still causes the set to be worth far more than what you can realistically hope to get in an average, or even above average, pull. There are other factors of course, such as actual supply of the product, but prices will keep being raised as long as people keep buying them.
Again, wizards just seems to be arbitrarily assigning colors to creatures. I guess it's blue/white strictly because it's a merfolk ally, but that seems like pretty lame reasoning for a rare. Also, I'm just laughing at the full art basics. The island teacup is pretty much everyones favorite, and there it is, reprinted. And these are what WotC are trying to use to hype the set - lol.
This is the mythic everyone was clamoring for in Modern Masters 2015 intead of Comet Storm, right? Nice job Wizards, apparently it is indeed impossible to please players!
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I think most people wanted a card that actually felt mythic, like Scourge of Kher Ridges or Red Akroma. Dragonmaster Outcast was on that list solely because it was a $15 card with a single printing, not because it's a card people actually want. I guess Wizard didn't realize that.
I'm still unclear if the -ke at the end of Merieke (Ri Berit) means she is to be pronounced "Muh-reek" (rhymes with Chesapeake), "Muh-ree-kuh" (like Dutch/Afrikaans "Anneke"), "Muh-ree-kee" (like auto service chain Meineke), or something else.
Most of us at my LGS pronounce it with 4 syllables. Meh-rye-eh-key.
Honestly I think Roil Spout probably would have been fine at WU and instant speed, for sure if they only picked one of those. It might have been playable outside of limited then. Its sad it would have been really good at WU instant.
I agree, but it might have been too good when you could top a creature in response to a fetch and make them shuffle it away. It comes up quite infrequently with jeskai charm, but it does happen. As it stands, I'm not sure why Roil Spout isn't just mono blue. We have a time ebb effect in magic origins, and this one just doesn't feel special enough to be multicolor, other than to fill some hole in a cycle.
Jitte and Garruk were the first two to come to mind. Other than that, Gitaxian anything. Polukranos is hit and miss, with people putting an emphasis wherever they feel like.
Why not just reprint temple of the false gods? The flavor is pretty much identical, and it didn't see any constructed play even though it's better most of the time.
Man, I feel sorry for people who are making investments based on past events when there player base was half the size it is now... Right now, I'm looking back at the Zen card list and I'm amazed at how many good cards the set actually had. BFZ will have nowhere near the card quality. A set without fetches and being the second go around with full art basics... it's just not going to be anywhere near as special. That's also the idea that the set has a bullseye on it's head - there's a lot of false hype, so there are going to be a lot of people doing to same exact thing. I'm just going to feel sorry for this guy when five years from now the only selling point he will have on these is that .01% chance of a treasure and a pack of basic lands that everyone already has.
I merely said people were trying to buyout sliver hive, not that they would actually succeed. It's extremely hard to do that on a rare from a coreset that is still standard legal just because a fringe deck happened to finish in a top 8... once. It would be ridiculous if the price managed to stick. Honestly, I would rather look at cavern of souls and collected company, since those cards see play in far more archetypes.
From what I can figure out (as a gold member), you can only see the sitewide total haves/wants through the advanced search feature. But, if you use the normal search bar, cards with only a single version don't go to the advanced search page (such as wingmate roc), while cards with multiple version (such as force of will) will go to the advanced search page where you can hove your cursor over the card image and see the totals (like in the pic posted a few posts ago).
Let's assume a print run of 3 billion cards. Five times more than what was being printed in 1995 - I don't think that's farfetched at all, and it could very well be far more than that - it's very likely that this set will be the most hyped and printed set of all time, despite that actual set so far not being very impressive. That's nearly a million booster cases, a million expeditions. Nearly 40,000 of each individual expedition. There are 5,000 WPN stores - perhaps ten time as many non-wpn stores (walmart, target, every store that doesn't have a play space, etc). There's going be a lot of these cards funneling down to the people who actually want them.
And then there's the actual pimp factor. Obviously, this is based on preference. Some people just equate pimpness to price tag (1), which is extremely shallow and vain. Some people equate pimpness to the actual aesthetic appeal(2). Some people equate it to rarity(3), or age(4). Let's start backwards.
(4) - these things are the 'new thing', with all the hype you could expect a shiny full art reprint to garner. By all rights, the older foil fetches should still be considered more pimp
(3) - Comparative rarity is speculative. I wouldn't be surprised if a foil mythic in BFZ is as common as a foil rare from Zen, at least considering frequency. The critical part is there are 25 different expeditions vs 15 mythics. Point is, new scalding tarn vs old foil scalding tarn isn't going to be that huge of a ratio - 1:2, 1:4, not THAT crazy. If we want to compare new hallowed fountain to old foil hallowed fountain (from dissension), I would hazard a guess that the old foil from dissension is actually rarer. And, once you start talking about foreign foils, I suspect russian foils will be rarer than these on every front.
(2) - Some people are blinded by the newness of them, are aren't actually looking at the cards. Some people just automatically assume a $200 card is going to be the most beautiful thing ever, but the harsh reality is, that they aren't. Most of them aren't even better looking that their normal counterpats - have you seen the gatecrash Godless Shrine? It's beautiful. These things aren't even truly full art - the text box hides quite a large portion of them, but again, people just look at if a checkbox has been filled out on a spreadsheet instead of actually looking at it. And the border - it's ugly, though I guess it does sort of remind me of walking through the Unown temples in pokemon, which I guess is sort of expeditiony.
(1) - Value, well, chances are people who would not normally be interested in normal pack foils of these lands are going to be having an illogical urge to have these things, so it's really hard to predict. I'm well aware of that what I logically think these things should be worth is very likely not going to be true, but I just hope that these sort of discussions will help people open their eyes in regards to these, and not just blindly fall in love with pieces of cardboard that just aren't that rare, aren't that good looking, and ultimately not that special.
I think most people wanted a card that actually felt mythic, like Scourge of Kher Ridges or Red Akroma. Dragonmaster Outcast was on that list solely because it was a $15 card with a single printing, not because it's a card people actually want. I guess Wizard didn't realize that.
Most of us at my LGS pronounce it with 4 syllables. Meh-rye-eh-key.
I agree, but it might have been too good when you could top a creature in response to a fetch and make them shuffle it away. It comes up quite infrequently with jeskai charm, but it does happen. As it stands, I'm not sure why Roil Spout isn't just mono blue. We have a time ebb effect in magic origins, and this one just doesn't feel special enough to be multicolor, other than to fill some hole in a cycle.