Not completely true. There is many times that maintaining priority and casting a split second spell can protect your spells. Usually it involves a creature with an activated ability that can counter or change the target of your spell being in play (Spellskite, Cursecatcher or something similar), casting your spell that matters, holding priority and casting Sudden Spoiling.
In those cases, you could just as well cast Sudden Spoiling first, then cast the spell you want to resolve. It's only worthwhile to cast Sudden Spoiling in response if your opponent ALSO controls an Ebon Drake or the like and you want to trigger it an extra time. But that's getting into serious corner cases.
True, I think the only reason I remember it being brought up to be done in that order is due to another creature being in play that had a trigger off of spells being cast. I was asked the question during a Modern tournament some time ago and thought it was a cute way to not only take advantage of his own triggers (might have been prowess) and stop his opponent's curse catcher.
Correct.
Split second only "protects" the spell it's on. You can't use a spell with split second to protect a whole stack of spells.
Not completely true. There is many times that maintaining priority and casting a split second spell can protect your spells. Usually it involves a creature with an activated ability that can counter or change the target of your spell being in play (Spellskite, Cursecatcher or something similar), casting your spell that matters, holding priority and casting Sudden Spoiling.
Albeit a corner case example, but it still can be used to protect your other spells from the slew of creatures that try to interact with them. I can also think of a few ways for spells/abilities to be placed onto the stack after a split second card has been cast (Triggered Abilities and Morph comes to mind).
I digress. The initial premise of a split second spell on TOP of the stack does not protect the spells beneath it outside of the example provided. However a split second spell at the bottom of the stack DOES protect the spells and abilities above it (despite the difficulty of getting said spells/abilities above the split second spell on the stack).
Yeah well, I got 33rd at my Regionals due to tie breakers and missed out on the $50 because many of my opponents dropped right after they lost. I got to be that guy. The store threw me a couple pity packs due to my sorrow.
Also, the prizes are fixed no matter the attendance. If you only had 100 people show up, the prizes would have been the same.
I'm playing a Jeskai Control homebrew. This deck is a rough match-up pre-board and I basically have to be aggressive with Gideon + ManLands and hope they don't draw into a real threat early on (being on the play helps). If I don't get lucky game 1, then Game two I bring in Four Negates, three Crumbles and two Volcanic Upheaval (Already packing 7 hard counters MB).
Counter every ramp spell, Crumble their non-basic lands and Upheaval their one mountain/plains (or their forests if they're low on green).
With luck, I'll have landed a Narset (Walker), -2 and get to Upheaval/Crumble with rebound.
My deck is still in extreme test mode. But I found that simply denying them their ramp spells and just blowing up their lands will do the trick. They tend to get stuck after that.
This ban has left my Wife devastated. Prophet of Kruphix was her favorite card and she doesn't want to play with her Kruphix EDH deck anymore because of the ban. We have a very aggressive and competitive meta (MLD, T1-T5 kills, Ad Nauseum combo, R/B Storm, Elf Ball, etc.) so our meta didn't care about PoK in the least. We were more worried about countering Ad Nauseum, keeping Malek off board, exiling The Mimeoplasm's graveyard and making sure we weren't blown out by a well timed Armageddon all while keeping the Elf player in check.
Now she feels a bit left out since a T3/4 PoK, into her commander on the next opponents' turn would lead into her floating 10 mana by her turn and using it control the board or simply Gen Wave for an excessive amount. Now she likely can't keep up with the meta.
'Tis a shame.
Maybe you've already heard this, but it sounds like the RC's banlist is not made for you. It also sounds like you have a consistent playgroup, so houserules should be possible. No shame in that.
This ban has left my Wife devastated. Prophet of Kruphix was her favorite card and she doesn't want to play with her Kruphix EDH deck anymore because of the ban. We have a very aggressive and competitive meta (MLD, T1-T5 kills, Ad Nauseum combo, R/B Storm, Elf Ball, etc.) so our meta didn't care about PoK in the least. We were more worried about countering Ad Nauseum, keeping Malek off board, exiling The Mimeoplasm's graveyard and making sure we weren't blown out by a well timed Armageddon all while keeping the Elf player in check.
Now she feels a bit left out since a T3/4 PoK, into her commander on the next opponents' turn would lead into her floating 10 mana by her turn and using it control the board or simply Gen Wave for an excessive amount. Now she likely can't keep up with the meta.
'Tis a shame.
If you play in a consistent group, you should be able to house rule PoK in for your games, and help her find an alternative card for pick-up games.
We would, but our local shops host weekly EDH tournaments that follow the ban list. Playing casually, we will likely be fine, but we love our pod tournaments. $5 entry, winner gets the pods entry in store credit. The winner of each pod can put up half their winnings in the "Winners Pod" and take that pool of store credit. Sometimes leave with $50 in Store Credit to throw at singles.
It's what initially bred the competitive environment.
Does she run Seedborn Muse? Check out my Omnath list in my signature, it is mono-green, but has a ton of "makes big mana" cards in it that might be able to help her. Also, if her entire deck relied heavily on a T3/4 PoK or it would lose/fall behind, how consistent could that possibly be?
It was the ideal T3 (turn 2 sometimes). Yeah, I got her a foil German Seedborn. Not quite as good since she can't cast her commander on her opponent's turn. She can still explode early on (T1 Explore into GSZ for 0, next turn skyshroud claim, etc.) all her deck does is ramp and draw cards (with counter back up). Typically winning with Lab Maniac or decking her opponents. Landing an early unanswered prophet was just a powerful play for her.
Kind of like LED for me in my The Mimeoplasm deck. Lets me win on T1 or T2 if I have the right hand (doesn't happen often but sometimes I oops the victory).
Also, nice Omnath. I can't honestly make any suggestions (every one that I thought of you were already running. xD).
This ban has left my Wife devastated. Prophet of Kruphix was her favorite card and she doesn't want to play with her Kruphix EDH deck anymore because of the ban. We have a very aggressive and competitive meta (MLD, T1-T5 kills, Ad Nauseum combo, R/B Storm, Elf Ball, etc.) so our meta didn't care about PoK in the least. We were more worried about countering Ad Nauseum, keeping Malek off board, exiling The Mimeoplasm's graveyard and making sure we weren't blown out by a well timed Armageddon all while keeping the Elf player in check.
Now she feels a bit left out since a T3/4 PoK, into her commander on the next opponents' turn would lead into her floating 10 mana by her turn and using it control the board or simply Gen Wave for an excessive amount. Now she likely can't keep up with the meta.
'Tis a shame.
Maybe you've already heard this, but it sounds like the RC's banlist is not made for you. It also sounds like you have a consistent playgroup, so houserules should be possible. No shame in that.
This ban has left my Wife devastated. Prophet of Kruphix was her favorite card and she doesn't want to play with her Kruphix EDH deck anymore because of the ban. We have a very aggressive and competitive meta (MLD, T1-T5 kills, Ad Nauseum combo, R/B Storm, Elf Ball, etc.) so our meta didn't care about PoK in the least. We were more worried about countering Ad Nauseum, keeping Malek off board, exiling The Mimeoplasm's graveyard and making sure we weren't blown out by a well timed Armageddon all while keeping the Elf player in check.
Now she feels a bit left out since a T3/4 PoK, into her commander on the next opponents' turn would lead into her floating 10 mana by her turn and using it control the board or simply Gen Wave for an excessive amount. Now she likely can't keep up with the meta.
'Tis a shame.
If you play in a consistent group, you should be able to house rule PoK in for your games, and help her find an alternative card for pick-up games.
We would, but our local shops host weekly EDH tournaments that follow the ban list. Playing casually, we will likely be fine, but we love our pod tournaments. $5 entry, winner gets the pods entry in store credit. The winner of each pod can put up half their winnings in the "Winners Pod" and take that pool of store credit. Sometimes leave with $50 in Store Credit to throw at singles.
It's what initially bred the competitive environment.
This ban has left my Wife devastated. Prophet of Kruphix was her favorite card and she doesn't want to play with her Kruphix EDH deck anymore because of the ban. We have a very aggressive and competitive meta (MLD, T1-T5 kills, Ad Nauseum combo, R/B Storm, Elf Ball, etc.) so our meta didn't care about PoK in the least. We were more worried about countering Ad Nauseum, keeping Malek off board, exiling The Mimeoplasm's graveyard and making sure we weren't blown out by a well timed Armageddon all while keeping the Elf player in check.
Now she feels a bit left out since a T3/4 PoK, into her commander on the next opponents' turn would lead into her floating 10 mana by her turn and using it control the board or simply Gen Wave for an excessive amount. Now she likely can't keep up with the meta.
Acquired a bit of an oddity during the pre-release last night and I have a friend who is interested in it. Problem is, we can't really place a value on it (not a lot of info on crimped cards but my friend collects them). Anyone have any reliable knowledge on this sort of thing? I don't normally deal in miscuts and oddities, but this one sort of fell into my lap. Neither of us want to rip each other off.
Also, I couldn't find a more appropriate forum. If there is one, my bad.
The only thing required to maintain RA status is to take the test every year (this could have changed, it was this way a few years back and I have not heard of any changes).
If you are interested in pursuing Judge Status or just want to familiarize yourself with your "local" L2 and/or Regional Coordinator you can read this thread for more information.
No Identification is required. Your RA status is attached to your DCI number now.
Also, congrats on passing. The RA test is no joke. Harder than most college exams.
Thanks for the quick response. I want to become a judge at some point when I get the time, but there are no L2 judges at any store closer than about an hour away.
And yeah, the test was difficult. The questions I got wrong ended up with me missing a small detail on the card that changed how things work drastically. It can certainly trip you up. Thanks.
I went through the same thing. I was forced to travel out of state to meet with an L2 who was actively testing. Me and another RA at my LGS got tested at the same time and became Judges together. You'll find that the ability to travel may be required for Judging.
Nothing in the rules forces you to try to win the game.
In the described scenarios it is your opponent's fault for not conceding the game to save time. Playing slow and choosing not to win the game are not the same thing. You are able to do the above described things and it has more strategic advantages than just eating time up. You get to learn about more cards in your opponents deck as well.
The only thing required to maintain RA status is to take the test every year (this could have changed, it was this way a few years back and I have not heard of any changes).
If you are interested in pursuing Judge Status or just want to familiarize yourself with your "local" L2 and/or Regional Coordinator you can read this thread for more information.
No Identification is required. Your RA status is attached to your DCI number now.
Also, congrats on passing. The RA test is no joke. Harder than most college exams.
As already stated, Meddling Mage prevents cards from being cast. Casting a spell that puts a creature into play (such as a reanimation spell or something similar to Chord of Calling) doesn't quite count unless it instructs you to cast the chosen card.
The primary difference between Revoker and Needle is what can be named and what it stops.
While Pithing Needle can name lands, it cannot stop Mana Abilities (abilities that add mana to the controller's mana pool).
Revoker on the other hand can not name lands, but it CAN stop mana abilities (Creatures that produce mana, etc.).
Pithing needle sees play over Revoker for various reasons (naming fetch lands and not being destroyed by creature based removal mostly). But it's ultimately based on the deck builder and what they are trying to stop specifically. Pithing needle will not help you against an Elvish Archdruid while Phyrexian Revoker will.
I'm fine with the sanctions as they've been described, and as for the "collateral damage," I'm fine with that too. Three months is practically nothing. Having said that, Wizards clearly needs to work on keeping a tighter lid on their information.
Some have been suspended for two years or more. Three months was the minimum suspension. They're being treated like a player who got caught cheating at a GP.
Some Judges have been banned for two years, not all of the bans are three months.
Few have any chance for appeal at all. Most (including a Regional Coordinator) have no chance for appeal.
It has effected their lives on a personal level. Some were community leaders and have decided to step out of the community in light of the recent events (despite if they are innocent or not).
The Judges who have been suspended/banned have not been rioting or complaining. The community has been and other Judges have been. The effected Judges are keeping a calm and professional approach about this.
There is emotional distress caused by this. One Judge had to leave work to cope with the information (Magic is their passion and they've been told they can't participate in it for up to two years).
I know a handful of the effected Judges personally. I am a part of the community suffering from this. Shops will likely lose income from this and those who will manage to keep their scheduled PPTQs going are going to have to pay more for out of state Judges and charge the community more for said tournament.
While I am not one of those who is rioting about this, I do disagree with the severity the situation was handled with. Wizards is aware of the impact it will have on Organized Play in the South East. They've 'fixed' this by giving us a new Regional Coordinator. I am going to be in touch with him to see what can be done to fix the community since responsibility now falls on the many Level 1 Judges in the South East area to try to keep the community afloat.
I don't expect an apology from Wizards or even for them to reverse their decision. I just hope they aid with the chaos they created in this area.
Sadly this punishes the community more than the individuals. All PPTQs in this area are having to be rescheduled or canceled as there are now no L2s in the area to Judge them. I'm having to step up and try to fill the shoes of my lost mentors, which will be difficult as it was always a time issue and less of a skill one.
We have a plethora of local gaming stores in the south east, each of them thriving with competitive communities. We are likely not going to have any PPTQ events for two seasons.
L1's can judge PPTQs in extraordinary circumstances. This certainly qualifies.
I'm aware, I meant by "fill the shoes" I'm going to have to start the path of becoming an L2.
We are likely not going to have any PPTQs for two seasons or have the cost increase to pay for Judges to travel out of state. It's going to impact the competitive community across two maybe three states.
True, I think the only reason I remember it being brought up to be done in that order is due to another creature being in play that had a trigger off of spells being cast. I was asked the question during a Modern tournament some time ago and thought it was a cute way to not only take advantage of his own triggers (might have been prowess) and stop his opponent's curse catcher.
Once again, extreme corner case scenarios.
Not completely true. There is many times that maintaining priority and casting a split second spell can protect your spells. Usually it involves a creature with an activated ability that can counter or change the target of your spell being in play (Spellskite, Cursecatcher or something similar), casting your spell that matters, holding priority and casting Sudden Spoiling.
Albeit a corner case example, but it still can be used to protect your other spells from the slew of creatures that try to interact with them. I can also think of a few ways for spells/abilities to be placed onto the stack after a split second card has been cast (Triggered Abilities and Morph comes to mind).
I digress. The initial premise of a split second spell on TOP of the stack does not protect the spells beneath it outside of the example provided. However a split second spell at the bottom of the stack DOES protect the spells and abilities above it (despite the difficulty of getting said spells/abilities above the split second spell on the stack).
Also, the prizes are fixed no matter the attendance. If you only had 100 people show up, the prizes would have been the same.
Counter every ramp spell, Crumble their non-basic lands and Upheaval their one mountain/plains (or their forests if they're low on green).
With luck, I'll have landed a Narset (Walker), -2 and get to Upheaval/Crumble with rebound.
My deck is still in extreme test mode. But I found that simply denying them their ramp spells and just blowing up their lands will do the trick. They tend to get stuck after that.
It was the ideal T3 (turn 2 sometimes). Yeah, I got her a foil German Seedborn. Not quite as good since she can't cast her commander on her opponent's turn. She can still explode early on (T1 Explore into GSZ for 0, next turn skyshroud claim, etc.) all her deck does is ramp and draw cards (with counter back up). Typically winning with Lab Maniac or decking her opponents. Landing an early unanswered prophet was just a powerful play for her.
Kind of like LED for me in my The Mimeoplasm deck. Lets me win on T1 or T2 if I have the right hand (doesn't happen often but sometimes I oops the victory).
Also, nice Omnath. I can't honestly make any suggestions (every one that I thought of you were already running. xD).
We would, but our local shops host weekly EDH tournaments that follow the ban list. Playing casually, we will likely be fine, but we love our pod tournaments. $5 entry, winner gets the pods entry in store credit. The winner of each pod can put up half their winnings in the "Winners Pod" and take that pool of store credit. Sometimes leave with $50 in Store Credit to throw at singles.
It's what initially bred the competitive environment.
Now she feels a bit left out since a T3/4 PoK, into her commander on the next opponents' turn would lead into her floating 10 mana by her turn and using it control the board or simply Gen Wave for an excessive amount. Now she likely can't keep up with the meta.
'Tis a shame.
Also, I couldn't find a more appropriate forum. If there is one, my bad.
I went through the same thing. I was forced to travel out of state to meet with an L2 who was actively testing. Me and another RA at my LGS got tested at the same time and became Judges together. You'll find that the ability to travel may be required for Judging.
In the described scenarios it is your opponent's fault for not conceding the game to save time. Playing slow and choosing not to win the game are not the same thing. You are able to do the above described things and it has more strategic advantages than just eating time up. You get to learn about more cards in your opponents deck as well.
If you are interested in pursuing Judge Status or just want to familiarize yourself with your "local" L2 and/or Regional Coordinator you can read this thread for more information.
No Identification is required. Your RA status is attached to your DCI number now.
Also, congrats on passing. The RA test is no joke. Harder than most college exams.
The primary difference between Revoker and Needle is what can be named and what it stops.
While Pithing Needle can name lands, it cannot stop Mana Abilities (abilities that add mana to the controller's mana pool).
Revoker on the other hand can not name lands, but it CAN stop mana abilities (Creatures that produce mana, etc.).
Pithing needle sees play over Revoker for various reasons (naming fetch lands and not being destroyed by creature based removal mostly). But it's ultimately based on the deck builder and what they are trying to stop specifically. Pithing needle will not help you against an Elvish Archdruid while Phyrexian Revoker will.
Some have been suspended for two years or more. Three months was the minimum suspension. They're being treated like a player who got caught cheating at a GP.
I know a handful of the effected Judges personally. I am a part of the community suffering from this. Shops will likely lose income from this and those who will manage to keep their scheduled PPTQs going are going to have to pay more for out of state Judges and charge the community more for said tournament.
While I am not one of those who is rioting about this, I do disagree with the severity the situation was handled with. Wizards is aware of the impact it will have on Organized Play in the South East. They've 'fixed' this by giving us a new Regional Coordinator. I am going to be in touch with him to see what can be done to fix the community since responsibility now falls on the many Level 1 Judges in the South East area to try to keep the community afloat.
I don't expect an apology from Wizards or even for them to reverse their decision. I just hope they aid with the chaos they created in this area.
I'm aware, I meant by "fill the shoes" I'm going to have to start the path of becoming an L2.
We are likely not going to have any PPTQs for two seasons or have the cost increase to pay for Judges to travel out of state. It's going to impact the competitive community across two maybe three states.