Thanks again for the input.
I compared lots of Shirei lists and was very surprised to see how little protection most decks run. In fact, I don't really like how most of the lists are built in general.
Most lists were running Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots and Darksteel Plate as their only protection spells. Even with tutors, this doesn't seem like enough.
Personally, I think maybe 5 slots for protection would be a good starting point. Am I being too ambitious with Strands of Undeath? Its high casting cost makes it almost guaranteed that I will have to cast it the turn after Shirei, which isn't always realistic.
Maybe Whispersilk Cloak could make a good inclusion and I could cut Strands for Kaya's Ghostform or another 1-mana spell.
In addition to this, cards like Cadaver Imp and Dutiful Attendant can also make getting around the commander tax pretty easy by letting Shirei go to the graveyard.
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Jun 14, 2019Thanks for the suggestion. I never thought of cutting Deathgreeter, but it would probably be better as Qarsi Masochist. It wouldn't be as much lifegain, but still some and also a better creature in general.Posted in: Variant Commander
I thought Ruin Rat was kinda of junk, but the more I think about it the more I like it. Selective graveyard hate at (hopefully) instant speed on a 1-power creature that is also a deathtoucher is so much rolled into one. I think this might be a very important card to have for multiplayer decks.
You may be right about the protection spells. How many do you recommend running in a Shirei deck?
Jun 6, 2019I have Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker on the battlefield along with a Carrion Feeder and Thorn of the Black Rose.Posted in: Magic Rulings
My opponent attacks with an unblocked creature and takes the monarchy from me.
On his second main phase, I sacrifice my Thorn to the Carrion Feeder, which triggers Shirei. On their end step, they place their card draw trigger from the Monarchy first, then my Shirei trigger is placed on top of the stack.
Thorn comes back and makes me the monarch again. Does my opponent still get the card draw from the the monarchy trigger even if they are no longer the monarch?
Jun 6, 2019Posted in: Variant CommanderQuote from Reaper9889 »I like innocent blood more really, but I might be valuing mana efficency too highly for this deck (i.e. you might be able to afford it manawise). Still, 4/2 is not great stats, since it dies to utility creatures on offense (and I think it is not too important on defense, but I guess it is a question of trying the deck).
Is the deck for multiplayer or duels btw? It may be worth running some 1 power deathtouch creatures as rattlesnakes in multiplayer.
I would likely cut a few random sac outlets, e.g. still Gnawing zombie, since you got 4 other sac outlets with 1 power (and a few more that could work that way if you saced them in response to their ability) and maybe Gutless Ghoul, just because it cost 1 to activate and you figured you did not really need more life gain with the staff. Perhaps also some of the 2/2 for 3 that gives themself +2/+2 just because you have so many - on the other hand, I imagine they are great.
Btw, you could put -1/-1 counters on your own 2 power creatures to protect them from targeted removal (also rusalka could do that). That does make the Aven better in my eyes, because you can then reuse it.
I do not really have many ideas for what else to cut.
Mortuary Mire seems worth it for a etb land. Path of Ancestry might be worth it, even though you only have a few spirits besides your commander. You have relative few etb lands so it should not cost too much tempo.
Thanks again for the great comments.
I ended up cutting both Innocent Blood and Slum Reaper. Hopefully Abyssal Gatekeeper will pull his weight.
This is for multiplayer. I think that with almost 50 creatures, I will have enough of a board presence to make it easy to defend. We will see. If not, there are plenty of 1-power deathtoucher out there (I already have 2).
I cut Gnawing Zombie, finally. I'm now down to 16 outlets, which seems like about the right place to be.
Mortuary Mire is in.
I still have to cut 1 card, but I also want to make room for other stuff. It's getting difficult, for sure!
Quote from rogerandover »You seem really light on ramp.
One of the best free sac-outlets in the entire game of Magic was actually printed at common. (It's Ashnod's Altar).
For protection there's also Undying Evil, Supernatural Stamina and Kaya's Ghostform. All cheap and the instant speed on the first two is rather strong IMO.
Another nice exploit creature would be Qarsi Sadist. It can just exploit itself and keep coming back to do the same.
Yeah, I thought so as well. I'm not such a fan of Rituals, but maybe they would be okay. I would like to find room for Leaden Myr and maybe Manakin for synergistic ramp.
I forgot that Ashnod's Altar was printed at common in Chronicles! Thank you! I'll definitely find space for it.
I'm not a huge fan of 1-shot protection in this deck, but maybe a few would be a good idea.
Qarsi Sadist was on my radar, but I just don't like that it only targets one player. Maybe it's still good enough.
The problem is finding space for all these cards! What would you cut?
EDIT: After some difficult cuts, I'm now down to 100 cards and have managed to fit in Reaping the Graves, Ashnod's Altar and Leaden Myr. I now have 5 soures of ramp, which seems pretty decent.
One card I still absolutely want to include is Gray Merchant of Asphodel. I wouldn't say no to another protection spell, but I think fitting it in will be difficult.
EDIT: I've made room for Gray Merchant. I'm looking forward to shrinking him with Plagued Rusalka or Fume Spitter then sacrificing it to return him every end step and end the game.
Jun 4, 2019Thanks for the great suggestions.Posted in: Variant Commander
I did forget about Ashen-Skin Zubera. He was on my radar but must have slipped the list while I was making it.
I already cut Undercity Scavenger and Voracious Null. Thank you!
Gnawing Zombie I will keep because he a rare case of being both a sac outlet and a 1-power creature, making him fill the role of outlet and random blocker/fodder quite nicely in this deck.
Good call on Evincar's Justice.
Sometimes you need an edict, so I figured Slum Reaper was pretty decent in this deck since we like saccing our own stuff and it affects all players. I think I would cut Innocent Blood over Reaper. What do you think?
I have plenty of lifegain, so no need for lifestaff I think. I like the construct and the Shred Memory, but I think finding space will be difficult.
Jun 4, 2019Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker is a pretty powerful commander in regular EDH. What's great about this recently downgraded legendary is that while we do lose many powerful cards at higher rarities, a lot of what makes this deck tick is in its commons.Posted in: Variant Commander
Finally, a good home for Chimney Imp!
Additional information about the deck's breakdown:
- Total Removal: 12
- Total Discard/Library Manipulation: 7
- Total Card Draw, Scry and Recursion: 17
- Total Graveyard Hate: 3
- Total Token Production: 3
- Total Direct Damage Effects: 5
- Total Ramp: 5
- Total Lifegain: 5
Jun 4, 2019I like the combo with Monk Idealist and Angelic Renewal! This whole deck just oozes value. Great stuff!Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
I agree that Student of Ojutai should probably be Seeker of the Way. It has a cheaper casting cost, same power, prowess and will likely gain you just as much life through combat.
I also agree that Kor Skyfisher would give you better game by having some presence in the air. It's also a great way to get more value out of something like Heliod's Pilgrim or just replaying a Radiant Fountain.
A lot of Mono-White lists will play Haunted Fengraf as a way to get good value out of their lands in the late game. I feel like 1-2 of these could replace Kabira Crossroads.
If you're not playing with online legalities only, you should think about playing Desert. This card is insanely good in Pauper. With all your lifegain, you can definitely soak up some hits and kill some creatures with your lands.
For your sideboard, I think you would enjoy Prismatic Strands over some of your Circles. This card is super effective. At worst, it's a fog for all of your opponents damage (combat and non-combat), at best, it's a one-sided board wipe. With a free flashback.
Jun 2, 2019One of my pet decks from a couple years ago ran Giantbaiting and the Populate Mechanic. With a couple mana dorks and Wake the Reflections, you can get in for 12 damage on turn 3, keeping one of your 4/4 hasters for more populating on future turns.Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
Jun 2, 2019Posted in: Established
Yes, I think this card might be the very best answer to burn we've seen so far. I imagine it will be quite easy to play for 9 life or more, considering how many spells they play on their turn on top of whatever we're able to play. Should be sweet!
Jun 2, 2019The only real-ish manland we've gotten is Cradle of the Accursed, which is not a terrible card per se, but just not playable enough. Paying basically 4 for a 2/2 zombie is not quite competitive enough.Posted in: Pauper
All in all, these are my favourites from the set:
Rain of Revelation,
Scour All Possibilities,
Stream of Thought,
Weather the Storm.
It's very rare that we get so many playables in just one set. Across all colours, too. Blue definitely seems to get more goodies, but I think other cards will have more impact.
Jun 1, 2019Yeah, Prismatic Vista is definitely an easy include for the deck. We can use all the fetches we can get.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
I feel like Blast Zone could be good just as a catch-all land. Getting it up to 3 counters to kill Animar, Soul of Elements or something seems good. We can even copy it with Thespian's Stage to blow up all tokens and 0-cost stuff. It's a bit on the slow side, but definitely still want to try it out.
May 31, 2019In order to get the Manifest token, you would need to let your commander go to the graveyard. Vigilance is certainly great, though!Posted in: Variant Commander
Have you thought about using phasing to protect your commander from removal or remove blockers? Vanishing seems like it would be pretty good. Maybe Reality Ripple, too.
May 31, 2019What are your thoughts on Blast Zone in the deck? I've purchased a copy, but haven't had a chance to play it yet.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
And what about Emergence Zone? Being able to play spells at instant speed and getting a free 5/3 seems like it could allow for even deadlier turns for us before we untap.
May 31, 2019Fountain of Ichor is too expensive. Most people will prefer Guardian Idol, but that doesn't see much play either.Posted in: Pauper
Return from Extinction is an excellent card. Not too hard to get the value out of it, even in non-tribal decks.
I wonder about Mob. Convoke seems difficult to pull off. You definitely don't want to pay more than 1B for it, but that's already quite an investment of creatures on the battlefield.
Recruit the worthy seems good if you're not in green for Sprout Swarm.
Eyekite is very easy to activate, making it a 2-mana Delver of Secrets, basically. You do have to keep cantripping ever turn before combat, so the combination of the extra cost and this downside makes me think it won't see a whole lot of play. Maybe alongside other efficient fliers.
Phantasmal Form could be a cool finisher in some decks. I like that it cantrips. It can give you evasion and one final little boost in power with a Kiln Fiend or something and get in for the kill. Or maybe turn some weenies like Faeries or Mana dorks into actual threats. 6 damage for 3 mana and a draw is pretty sweet.
Rain of Revelation is an awesome card. It's so simple, yet so powerful as an instant. I could definitely see this as a 1-2 in many control decks.
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May 31, 2019This is the closing of an important chapter in the history of Magic: the Gathering.Posted in: Articles
So much has happened right here on these forums. The website has changed so much over the years, constantly adapting to the interests of its users, old and new. It helped shape and reinforce what it means to play and love Magic for thousands of people.
I've been here just two months short of seven years. Salvation has really shaped who I am as a player. I started in the Legacy forums talking about Stax, Burn and Reanimator, but thanks to the open nature of these forums and its users I slowly transformed into a Pauper and Commander player. If I look back at my first posts, I'm a completely different person.
Here's to the end of something great and the beginning of something new and interesting, created by the backbone of MtgSalvation.
Feb 4, 2014Good change! Looks a lot more stylish. Although it feels kinda like Facebook and Twitter at the same time. Why do all community websites just imitate the big social media guys?Posted in: Announcements
My favorite card is Deftblade Elite. Although I'm not generally a White player, this card is just so sweet; he has won me games. Whether he's killing a provoked creature every turn with lots of pump like Honor the Pure or Catapult Squad, or he's getting a dangerous blocker out of the way so my other creatures can get through (and lives to do it again!),he gets the job done! Just an all-round good card. and a common 1-drop, too!
Jan 15, 2014I really like your introduction! Very concise and explains where the archetype comes from.Posted in: -spooky- Blog
Is Cadaverous Knight really a core creature? It barely looks playable, to me anyways.
Maybe comment on each creature and specify in what style it belongs to (control or aggro), so that we can get a better idea of where they belong. You can also include ''shells'' of decks, in other words cards that must be run in order to make the deck function.
A notable exclusion from your otherwise rather full list is Nameless Inversion. This card is a complete beast in this deck, as it's recurable removal, with cards like Ghoulcaller's Chant and Ghoul Raiser.
Bonesplitter probably deserves a mention, as do other pump spells like Unholy Strength (there are many variants available).
I think Top 8 and Video sections are wishful thinking, as there are no sanctioned paper pauper tournaments. If you can get your hands on some MTGO videos playing Zombies, that might be a useful tool.
I suggest a section on Peasant (five uncommons max). It doesn't require a much bigger metagaming knowledge, just another card search. There are lots of uncommon candidates for Zombies.
A brief (or very detailed) matchup breakdown and analysis would be very appreciated. I like to test against many of the top decks in Pauper to see where mine stands, but I understand it's not possible for everyone, considering play-mates and time.
Overall, I think you're scraping the bottom of the barrel for playable cards, and cutting some of the more "fringe" ones is probably a good idea (you can also use the rating system to determine the value of each card to the deck). But it's a really good start! I look forward to seeing the rest!
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