But are you seriously calling me out for bandwagoning when there are several others who are being very vague and trying to distance themselves from their votes?
I apparently need to ensure I refresh the page prior to posting. I keep having my posts appear after things I wanted addressed were addressed, at least to some degree.
My previous post was directed at Dark Shadow, Arnnaria simply posted before I noticed.
Arnnaria's post still doesn't sit very well with me. Why are you turning it into a regulars vs. newer players analysis? That tells us absolutely nothing, and just reiterates my belief that you are posting to simply post, without anything of significance within them.
You claim that Poggydude always feels like scum to you, and then that it is even stronger in this game, yet you seem to have a problem with people pressuring him. I don't understand that. If it's a strong scum feeling, why are you not helping pursue and pressure that read?
You point a finger at SciSolaris for making a sweeping case against Poggydude, but then defend Poggydude because... he always feels like scum? How is this in any way logical? You even state previously that it's a strong feeling for you.
Intentionally trying to turn this into a divide between regulars and new players is just a terrible thing to do. Take a step back, assume competence and coincidence. A whopping three to one divide is not significant in the least!
Mind sharing your thoughts om something that isn't Chocolate Pi? Bolly, Arnnaria, Kill-joy, and anyone else that you have an opinion on. You claim not to like how he's distracted people from the task at hand - finding the scum team, while not actually giving any thoughts on people that aren't him!
I actually can think of two reasons that keeping Chocolate Pi and his ability alive is a good thing.
The first relates to what people seem to view as useless - forcing the scum team to switch their assigned hitman to make the kill. If there are town tracker or watcher type roles, this means that the scum team may have to expose people that they don't wish to expose, rather than slightly more expendable or suspected members.
The second is that having a pre-determined vig target is never a good idea unless all roles are known! I can't think of the precise name of the role off hand, but I ran a game three years ago that had a scum role where you could switch the night actions targeting two different people. If we decide the Vig should absolutely shoot Chocolate Pi, it would be unfortunate for the next day to start and two active town members be dead.
I can understand how people might view his role as being somewhat informative, though. But it relies on him telling the truth, and there are times when not telling the truth will be in his own best interests, and not necessarily the town's. So while it looks like a good argument on the surface, the premise itself is flawed.
But can we please stop wasting time and thread space on the revealed neutral role that has very little impact on the game?
Kill-joy: I had to go re-read his posts, because I had largely skimmed them due to excessive eyeball rolling at the 'sweeties' every other line. There has been pretty repeated defense of Bolly, which makes me a little bit uneasy, especially considering he also gave Bolly some helpful advice: 'Analyze it. That's what you do.' My initial instinct is to say that they are scum teammates without day chat. There is also a willingness to keep Chocolate Pi alive that I suspect scum are going to be more inclined to have. It's a minor thing, that includes half of the game (myself included!) but I still feel it worth noting. I personally disagree with his assessment of lynches and vig shots, as I feel the lynch is a much stronger town tool than the vig, where he seems to think scum can easily control lynches. I welcome them to try!
Laset: I generally have liked his posts and reasoning as they seem to align with my own thoughts for the most part. I'm less inclined to think that Kill-joy is trending towards town than he seems to think, which makes me slightly wary. This is a scum play that I have utilized in the past: attack relatively hard before deciding you're okay with their reactions, and writing them off as town. It means you have a presence in the thread as someone doing things that benefit town, and using your buddies to accomplish that - making them look more town in the process. Just making the note to keep an eye on future interactions!
The end result of looking back over both of those players is that Laset feels slightly town to me, and Kill-joy slightly scum, but neither is an extremely strong read.
I'm new around these parts, and haven't actually played a mafia game in almost two years. I'll try to keep up and be helpful, though - just my computer access has been sporadic at the start of this week.
My thoughts on the current things going on in this game:
Chocolate Pi: We're talking about this too much! He's not detrimental to the town at the moment, and while he's not a terrible vig kill night one (I'd rather it be done night one than later in the game when the vig has better information, if it's ever going to be done), it's still a waste of a resource. We should not dismiss the fact that it's an intentional fake claim, however unlikely, though!
Mirdini: I don't understand the animosity people have towards him so far. He's advocating shooting a neutral role that can be detrimental to our best interests in end game on night one, before town as a whole has a lot of solid reads and information. Yes, maybe he's advocating that a little too strongly, but if it is something he genuinely believes and fears, that's not necessarily a bad thing!
Bolly: I dislike your heavy thread presence without actually saying anything. Merely commenting without any actual opinions in posts clutters the thread, and means that genuine information and reads are scattered and harder to process. Fluff is not a good thing! It's been stated that it is the norm for you, however, so I'll treat it as a null event, rather than town or scum. But I implore you to make your posts have a purpose rather than merely commenting. Condense!
Kill Joy: Thank you for not continuing the slight Role Playing outside of the random voting! It's a fluffy thing that makes it harder for me to get reads on people, which is exasperating.
Acionyx: I like you. There doesn't need to be massive walls of REASONS to pressure somebody, and it is refreshing that someone sees that! My strongest town read so far.
Arnnaria: As much as I like Acionyx, I dislike you, so far. It's a similar reason to my distrust of Bolly, in a way - it feels like you are commenting for thread presence rather than to actually say anything. Almost every single thing you have posted has felt measured and safe, rather than say anything that could be inflammatory or opinionated in the least! The exception is one comment directed at Bolly considering him being high strung as a possible scum indicator. We would do well to consider this a possible distancing attempt, maybe, depending on how the game unfolds!
I'll Vote: Arnnaria for the time being, but I would like to see you try and actually poke people that you think are potentially scummy, rather than just comment on the state of the game and the neutral survivor. Thanks!
Name them, reference the posts.
Arnnaria's post still doesn't sit very well with me. Why are you turning it into a regulars vs. newer players analysis? That tells us absolutely nothing, and just reiterates my belief that you are posting to simply post, without anything of significance within them.
You claim that Poggydude always feels like scum to you, and then that it is even stronger in this game, yet you seem to have a problem with people pressuring him. I don't understand that. If it's a strong scum feeling, why are you not helping pursue and pressure that read?
You point a finger at SciSolaris for making a sweeping case against Poggydude, but then defend Poggydude because... he always feels like scum? How is this in any way logical? You even state previously that it's a strong feeling for you.
Intentionally trying to turn this into a divide between regulars and new players is just a terrible thing to do. Take a step back, assume competence and coincidence. A whopping three to one divide is not significant in the least!
The first relates to what people seem to view as useless - forcing the scum team to switch their assigned hitman to make the kill. If there are town tracker or watcher type roles, this means that the scum team may have to expose people that they don't wish to expose, rather than slightly more expendable or suspected members.
The second is that having a pre-determined vig target is never a good idea unless all roles are known! I can't think of the precise name of the role off hand, but I ran a game three years ago that had a scum role where you could switch the night actions targeting two different people. If we decide the Vig should absolutely shoot Chocolate Pi, it would be unfortunate for the next day to start and two active town members be dead.
I can understand how people might view his role as being somewhat informative, though. But it relies on him telling the truth, and there are times when not telling the truth will be in his own best interests, and not necessarily the town's. So while it looks like a good argument on the surface, the premise itself is flawed.
But can we please stop wasting time and thread space on the revealed neutral role that has very little impact on the game?
Laset: I generally have liked his posts and reasoning as they seem to align with my own thoughts for the most part. I'm less inclined to think that Kill-joy is trending towards town than he seems to think, which makes me slightly wary. This is a scum play that I have utilized in the past: attack relatively hard before deciding you're okay with their reactions, and writing them off as town. It means you have a presence in the thread as someone doing things that benefit town, and using your buddies to accomplish that - making them look more town in the process. Just making the note to keep an eye on future interactions!
The end result of looking back over both of those players is that Laset feels slightly town to me, and Kill-joy slightly scum, but neither is an extremely strong read.
I'm new around these parts, and haven't actually played a mafia game in almost two years. I'll try to keep up and be helpful, though - just my computer access has been sporadic at the start of this week.
My thoughts on the current things going on in this game:
Chocolate Pi: We're talking about this too much! He's not detrimental to the town at the moment, and while he's not a terrible vig kill night one (I'd rather it be done night one than later in the game when the vig has better information, if it's ever going to be done), it's still a waste of a resource. We should not dismiss the fact that it's an intentional fake claim, however unlikely, though!
Mirdini: I don't understand the animosity people have towards him so far. He's advocating shooting a neutral role that can be detrimental to our best interests in end game on night one, before town as a whole has a lot of solid reads and information. Yes, maybe he's advocating that a little too strongly, but if it is something he genuinely believes and fears, that's not necessarily a bad thing!
Bolly: I dislike your heavy thread presence without actually saying anything. Merely commenting without any actual opinions in posts clutters the thread, and means that genuine information and reads are scattered and harder to process. Fluff is not a good thing! It's been stated that it is the norm for you, however, so I'll treat it as a null event, rather than town or scum. But I implore you to make your posts have a purpose rather than merely commenting. Condense!
Kill Joy: Thank you for not continuing the slight Role Playing outside of the random voting! It's a fluffy thing that makes it harder for me to get reads on people, which is exasperating.
Acionyx: I like you. There doesn't need to be massive walls of REASONS to pressure somebody, and it is refreshing that someone sees that! My strongest town read so far.
Arnnaria: As much as I like Acionyx, I dislike you, so far. It's a similar reason to my distrust of Bolly, in a way - it feels like you are commenting for thread presence rather than to actually say anything. Almost every single thing you have posted has felt measured and safe, rather than say anything that could be inflammatory or opinionated in the least! The exception is one comment directed at Bolly considering him being high strung as a possible scum indicator. We would do well to consider this a possible distancing attempt, maybe, depending on how the game unfolds!
I'll Vote: Arnnaria for the time being, but I would like to see you try and actually poke people that you think are potentially scummy, rather than just comment on the state of the game and the neutral survivor. Thanks!