Wagon on me feels like it gained traction out of nowhere... but I'd be really surprised if any of Vaimes, Voxx, or Shadow were actually mafia? It's going to be interesting to see what the tail end of my wagon is like if I actually get lynched. Meanwhile, Osie's vote feels like he was waiting for someone to provide him with a good enough reason to vote for me, tbh. Don't mind swapping to Osie if I have to.
My problems with mobile aren't ad-based. It's like... the text is literally like 5 pixels high in the post field when writing so I can't see ***** on my 2014 phone, especially while using flux (twilight) + the page loads very slowly and in strange chunks and it's only by grace that I've been saved from accidentally liking posts when trying to swap pages because it can suddenly load something and move the buttons around... but mostly the first one. I can't see the ***** I'm typing. It's bad. 0/10.
Just talk.
Everything that comes into your head about this game.
Give me a sentence or two about every player purely off the top of head.
Ok, sure.
You're town. Do you want more words on why I think you're town? Not sure if that's useful because of your meta, but your posts on the subject are tending towards entering in the wifom olympics so I'm just going to write you off and see what happens.
Vaimes parked his vote on me fairly early and hasn't let go or wanted to pursue anything else, but if he's actually mafia then I'm seriously surprised he didn't just try to go for the hard pocket on me, because it probably would have worked? I know it's wine, but I'm townreading him off of this. rip vaimes.
Was mostly giving Shadow a free townread for getting to L-2 so early? If he is mafia, his wagon miiiiight be pure. Don't think it is, though. Also don't think lynching him is a good idea... yup.
Killjoy is... not-Empoof. Rip. Honestly probably one of the top people actually trying to solve the game right now, imo? I haven't seen anything scummy from him so I haven't really been thinking about him that much, and he doesn't really fit into any of my worlds.
Colin's posts are really good and clear and pure and beautiful, but he never actually... voted anyone? Probably should have pushed him more on his reads instead of unvoting but there's only so much you can try to pressure someone to post with only one vote. Also wish he was more engaged, because I invited him here to play with him and now he hasn't..... really.............. played....................
Tubba feels like he's reaching every single time he posts a scumread? Definitely not w/w with Osie. His interactions with Osie are part of the reason why I wish that Archon was being wagoned instead - It's way more likely that Tubba/Archon is a thing than Osie/Tubba is a thing. Gets angry easily when people suspect him, and isn't really defending himself. His Osie/Colin/Reaverb OMGUS trifecta is... also not great. Accused Osie of flailing, but that feels more like he's projecting, tbh.
Reaverb feels... antsy?, might be due to long phases with nobody around. He's actually trying to push people and do things when he could easily afk and not try to push outside me/osie/archon if he was mafia, tho. Definitely not with Archon unless he's hard distancing, could likely be with Osie. Sort of always feels mechanical and dry to me (more mechanical than dry, unlike you, who is the opposite), so if you explained the "wooden" toneread, that would be great.
Archon is... well, he exists. I want to see what his finished readwall looks like before deadline, and hopefully he shows up? If he is town, I don't understand why he felt like 52 had to be made, because it's really bad. He said it was a joke, but... that feels like a poor attempt to dodge. If I had to rank the people on the Shadow wagon, it would be Archon > Osie > Jenna > Voxx > Vaimes in descending order of scumminess, btw.
Probably should have focused more on Jenna today but I don't own a decoder ring. Reading her posts feels like I'm reading NG logs from Polarity Hunt. I don't want to play the synonyms game, I want to play the mafia game. I feel like she's going to survive way longer than she should just off the back of Homestuck memes and deliberate obfuscation. Would probably like her to prove that she doesn't have any problems voting Osie, but. Lol.
Torg is someone who's escaped my notice a lot but I think he's town? Don't think he'd call out Archon like that if they were w/w. Possibly could be mafia with Osie and Jenna because his read on Osie keeps changing but he wants to lynch both Osie and Jenna so ??? If there is a world where neither Archon nor Osie are mafia, then dude climbs way up my scum rankings.
Osie is strange? I feel like today's lynch has been forced to be between him and me and that feels really bad? If Archon and Osie are both somehow town and we wasted our entire day I'm going to *****. His posts are ok and he's actually been in the thread which is honestly... another reason I want to lynch Archon over him... but every time I make a theory about what he's doing, all he can say is "wow.... that seems like a bad plan......." to defend himself and I don't know if I'm being lolcatted at or what????
@Bear: Do you have an app that you can type in and copy/paste? I use notes (I mobile post 100% of the time)
I was trying to do that but I gave up because it wasn't really working for long posts and I couldn't see if it was actually copying the entire thing because it had this tendency to skip up and down and lag when trying to highlight a lot of things now I just write my notes in Docs and turn it into one bigpost when I can get to the computer.
Wagon on me feels like it gained traction out of nowhere... but I'd be really surprised if any of Vaimes, Voxx, or Shadow were actually mafia? It's going to be interesting to see what the tail end of my wagon is like if I actually get lynched. Meanwhile, Osie's vote feels like he was waiting for someone to provide him with a good enough reason to vote for me, tbh. Don't mind swapping to Osie if I have to.
My problems with mobile aren't ad-based. It's like... the text is literally like 5 pixels high in the post field when writing so I can't see ***** on my 2014 phone, especially while using flux (twilight) + the page loads very slowly and in strange chunks and it's only by grace that I've been saved from accidentally liking posts when trying to swap pages because it can suddenly load something and move the buttons around... but mostly the first one. I can't see the ***** I'm typing. It's bad. 0/10.
IRL people keep inviting me to things because they haven’t realized I’ve started playing mafia again and I couldn’t even enjoy watching ******* Blade Runner because I want to have time to play the got damn game. I'll be around... today, though? It's 7 am, jesus. (By the way, my review is: Watch Psycho Pass instead. The first hour is just setup and it could have been a regular movie’s length. Twists are good, though, but unfortunately Psycho Pass already exists.)
Voxx, one of the main problems I'm having with this game is that I absolutely hate it when people aren't playing and yell at people for it all the time? And, like, now I can't really play because I can't use the forum on my phone, and I feel terrible about it. I can’t even yell at other people for not playing, because I can’t ******* post either. You should already know how I feel about this because my hate of it is a Known Beru Fact. I’d probably be posting more if Curse wasn’t trash, actually. Not, like, 700 posts, lol, but I’d actually be able to post when I’m not home which is usually when I have the time to - waiting for the bus, eating lunch, on break, whatever. Being smothered by my inability to actually play the game is making me feel p ambivalent about the entire forum, and I probably won’t play here after this. Trying to get over it, trying not to post about it, it’s affecting my gameplay so I guess I DO have to acknowledge it, I hate everything, etc. (Also, I feel like when I do make posts, very few people actually want to talk to me? It’s like people are sliding right past what posts I do get to make. Not sure if this is just me, though.)
Posts I write from notes are going to “feel pre-constructed”, to borrow Newcomb’s words on this, because I’m taking the notes I’ve already made and turning them into bigposts. I’m always going to edit what I’m saying because I’m writing things down when I think about them and then make it into something resembling a coherent post when I’m actually at my lappy. I’m not a stream of consciousness player.
Probably don't want to lynch outside of Dota and Osie today, mostly because I feel like if we don’t do it now, it’ll end up being terrible later? Also, I don’t feel like we have enough time to do anything else. The fact that nothing related to anything is really happening tbh is giving me insight into those people who are always like “wah d1 is useless”. I want something actually concrete in this game because actual flips and night actions feel like they'll help more since there’s very few posts to go off of. Was hoping that at least one person would have a reaction to me saying that I want Dota and Osie to seriously fight each other, but it feels like very few people actually care about what’s happened since the initial wagon on Shadow? I really wish they had actually engaged with each other seriously, because that could have actually been useful. If both of them are mafia, maybe we could've seen that they don’t really want to kill the other person or that they have tmi that they're both mafia and lynch both of them, and if only one of them is mafia, that person could have been forced to push something that they might not necessarily be interested in getting their hands dirty with? Probably not enough time left, but when I posted it, like, two days ago, there definitely was…
Vaimes, the problem is that the only reason that those metas were like that is because Sotek forced everyone to act in a way that was +ev to him specifically for collecting data as long as he was the only one using The Machine. Everyone was enamoured with it, so they went along with it for years and years and years. Sotek didn’t really practice what he preached as far as voting went, either, btw. You can look that up. The only reasons why he voted outside of consolidation were to try to influence wagons in a way that gave him even more data. I know I’m town, and I don’t need to analyze my own votes to be able to read my own role PM… is basically the thing. Also, I’m trying a new strat. I don’t think it’s going to work in this game because it’s been dead air in here most of the time... Voxx says it works for him on this forum, though? The “sit back and watch other players do things without your influence in order to generate something as close to (wide text) spectator chat reads as possible”? I think that’s my wording and not his at the end there but I feel like with my IRL situation it’s the strat that makes the most sense for me rn. Even if I had time, regular Beruposting would drown the thread, so...
As far as analyzing things from a votes perspective in this game, it’s mostly been trash so far. I’ve moved on to charting people’s town/scumreads because that seems more helpful to me than the scattered votes I’m seeing? I need more pen colours and a bigger sheet of paper, but mostly I’m just keeping track of hard town/scumreads right now. I’m still surprised that literally nobody is townreading Archon, but it turns out that Osie isn’t actually being townread by anyone either? Shadow has been getting some minor townreads, mostly for being the wagon target, I think, but… I think it would be useful if people ranked Osie/Archon/Shadow and gave reasons, tbh. Like, people are making read walls, so I can see where they’re at, but if you don’t give actual reasons for why people are where they are, you can just bull***** a list of names.
Things I actually got out of the machine…
Osie’s vote movements indicate that he’s most likely town, but he put himself in a position where, if he’s mafia, he has to be super ultra town in order to not just ******* Die from early misplays. He also has the worst positions/reasoning on the Shadow wagon. Besides that, though, his content is way better than Archon, in that it actually exists, he has more than one scumread (or read period tbh), and he’s actually engaging people. I feel like if the Shadow wagon hadn’t happened, this guy wouldn’t be getting as many scumreads as he actually is.
Also beginning to wonder if Archon’s team is just leaving him for dead, tbh? Literally nobody is willing to defend him or get him to explain anything, but hardly anyone is actually voting for him. After he got scumread by basically everyone, he disappeared, too. Maybe they’re just hoping we’ll consolidate on someone else? Going into antispew a week before deadline is just giving up...
I really, really, really just want Archon and Osie to thunderdome, tbh. It would help a lot.
Vote: DoTArchon
I don’t think Tubba and Osie are w/w. I don’t think anyone would try to bury a partner that hard. Same goes for Osie/Jenna. It’s possible that Osie is extremely comfortable because he knows that neither of them is getting lynched off of his pushes and is doing some distancing so that if he ends up as today’s lynch, one/both of them look a lot better? Jenna is also voting Archon and has dug in her heels about it for a long time, even though she scumreads both Archon and Osie. Tubba is voting Osie, and also did this, like, weird OMGUS post about Reaver/Osie/Colin? so if someone is more likely to be scum with Osie, it’s prooobably Jenna.
Feeling something like Tubba/Archon +1 or Osie/Jenna/ +1 isn’t out of the realm of possibility. Tubba probably isn’t with Reaver or Colin either? The reaction to the scumreads is… I mean, if Tubba's scared that his partner(s) are going to bus him D1 for no reason and is flipping the **** out about getting, like, two votes? maybe? We have time to resolve this, tho.
I can pull up votals from any point in the game, btw, so if you want the state of the votal at the time someone voted, you can just @ me and I'll dump it.
Fun Beru Facts: just realized that this is the first game I’ve actually played with Voxx in at least three years, maybe four? That’s weird.
I've figured out that the secret to phoneposting on this forum is to write in Google Docs and then copy it into the thread, btw. Docs actually has, like, a readable font, even tho you can't do formatting or anything. No quotes, but whatever.
Honestly surprised more people think that Archon is scum over Osie? I’m pretty sure that not a single person in this thread has given anything besides a scumread on Archon, actually. That feels really weird? Usually, people who get scumread by literally everyone aren't actually mafia. It's not universal, though. The only people Archon has actually expressed opinions on are Osie and Shadow, and those were both negative. Plus, besides Osie's interactions with Shadow, he feels better to me than Archon does. I kinda feel like I'm falling for some sort of trap, not sure whether or not the Osie townfeels are because I'm just hoping the people who have time to post are all town at this point. On the other other hand, for all the suspicion, Archon hasnt actually gotten that many votes... the only people who actually voted him so far are Jenna, Reaverb, and Torg. I'm going to have to reread the thread on my lappy to figure out this one, but it's 4 AM and I have a test tomorrow so, like, not now.
Hm.
It seems like most of the thread has forgotten that Torg exists, actually - only, like, three people are actually talking to him or acknowledging his existence.
@Reaverb Tau, Torg isn't in your reads wall even though you literally talked to him the post before... how do you feel about him? Also, Voxx doesn’t like it when people only use one x.
@Killjoy - I started playing mafia 12 years ago, but two years ago I basically stopped to focus on irl/school. I un-retired this summer, but this school year is trying its best to force me to tap out again. Rip me. Also... we played in Gotham Underground together! The game that still makes Voxx sad half a decade later because he snuck his way in to a game with friends under a name people from MSPAFia didnt know him as and got shot N1 by Acio and Laset anyway! I was also town and definitely not RPing.
@Osieorb18 - At the time you made 129, Empoof/Killjoy only had one post, so I’m surprised you were even light scum on him, tbh. I also don’t understand why you think Colin’s post shifts Empoof/Killjoy more towards town? Can you explain this further? My thoughts on Jenna are: she's weird but I'm not sure if that's because she's mafia or because she's new. I'm content with letting her explore the game for now, basically. I'm wondering about how you went from "Wow, I hope she's town" to "let me write a long ass post and then vote her", though. Can you explain what changed for you? Most of those Jenna posts are from before you made your initial read...
@Voxxicus - I decided that reading you off of RVS posts wasn't very helpful, and decided to wait for you to come back and give Actual Real Content. I'm trying to fend off the paranoia descent into madness, but it's really hard with no info. I thought these phases would give me more time to think and actually try and balance the game with irl, but instead it's just me dying inside because I have too much time to think and nowhere to vent the cr*zy. Like your posts are good and Voxx-y but then I remember 166 exists and I know you know better than to post ***** like that and im dying squirtle
Going afk during the only time I'm available? Rude.
The concept of it being a secret that Voxx and I can read you is also extremely that image macro I posted.
I want Colin to actually show up, is the thing. Tbf, only one person voting someone usually isn't good for making them show up, but I'm going to try anyway.
I also need to actually go over votes properly besides, like, reading the the thread? Haven't had time to look at machine stuff yet.
This is generally how I feel about this game so far:
I'm not used to Voxx being like this and I feel like I'm already in Wine Hell. People being like this about him is also weird for me, tbh. It's like... when you look in a double mirror and see yourself not-mirrored and are like "who the **** am i looking at??? this is weird????"
I don't think the two week phase length is actually good for me, either. It doesn't actually feel like I'm in a game. I prefer my games to feel like something is imminently at stake, I think.. I think that what I actually want to play is 5/2... but the only site I've played on that reliably runs that phase length has been dead for a while. Rip FS.
Jenna, if you're going to be committed to RPing, I would prefer you go back to what you were doing before. Kanaya doesn't talk like that even when she isn't Typing Like This, and it's making your posts hella annoying to understand. (and if you're going to shorten people's names with pesterchum name shortening, why not like. decapitalize the first letter. come on.) (also the name shortening makes reading your posts like trying to read sheet music for me) (like seriously please stop)
Sorely tempted to just believe Shadow is town based on the fact that he got to H-2 so early in the game. I really don't think everyone who was on the wagon is town, and I don't think mafia would do that to a teammate? Plus, he's actually asking people why they're doing things, and also following up when they give their answers. It's good.
I feel like there's at least one wolf in Archon/Osieorb - Archon voted Shadow in RVS and then decided it was a real vote in #52. While it was a RVS vote at the time it was made, he felt the need to back it up with Actual Something. Now he's dismissed it as Not Actually Something That Ever Really Existed In The First Place (#102) while moving his vote to someone who agreed with him about it? Like, he's calling Osie shady for doing the same thing that he did? Does the concept of self-awareness exist here? (I would like #52 clarified if it wasn't... like,,, real?????) + Osie sheeping Archon's reasons for the vote with the near-immediate backdown after Voxx calls it out (and then? voting for voxx?) isn't that great, either. I don't think it's impossible for them to be together? but I don't think that one witch would immediately follow the other like that, especially since they're supposed to be long-time players or something... Mostly I just want them to fight each other and see what happens, tbh.
I don't understand Reaverb's reasons in #63 regarding the Archon/Shadow thing. Like, I don't think that simulposting asking someone to explain why someone else did a thing would have that effect? Also, him thinking I'm unable to read Vaimes when I correctly read him as my person-who-knows-my-role-and-alignment in another game a few months ago immediately is lol. Voxx is here, too. "Several people" does not equal "one fontisian". Wyd.
Btw, Vaimes is town, y'all. You're welcome.
I originally voted Colin for memes but I've decided that I'm not going to move my vote until he makes some actual posts. If I had more votes, Archon, Osieorb, or Reaverb would be fine, too. You can pretend I have a vote on all four of them if you want.
Ok, I know the beginning of this post said I was here now, but I actually have to go to bed now? @ me if you need anything, I guess?
My schedule this semester basically makes me unavailable or of very low availability on M/T/W because I have class and work (I'm a professor's assistant) which is why I decided to /in games on MTGS - being away for three days in a row isn't terrible when days are two weeks long. I'll probably be able to sneak in one or two posts (hi o/) but unfortunately I have to be a responsible adult and, like, do... things. This weekend is Canadian Thanksgiving, too, so I won't be around for most of Thursday and next Monday even tho it's a stat, probably. I'll probably be able to pop in? but like. Not during the day, lol.
I've also decided that I'm going to phonepost as little as possible this game because newcomb is right this site gives me the luxury of time and if I'm not home I don't have to post when I should really be doing other things. Ofc I'll be reading on breaks and whatever, and if you want me to say something super urgently sure, but like... when I don't have to, I'm not going to. I'm pretty sure you could make a prediction that a bear won't be able to help themself from making posts later, and you'd probably be right. For now, tho...
Vote: Osieorb18
Ok, sure.
You're town. Do you want more words on why I think you're town? Not sure if that's useful because of your meta, but your posts on the subject are tending towards entering in the wifom olympics so I'm just going to write you off and see what happens.
Vaimes parked his vote on me fairly early and hasn't let go or wanted to pursue anything else, but if he's actually mafia then I'm seriously surprised he didn't just try to go for the hard pocket on me, because it probably would have worked? I know it's wine, but I'm townreading him off of this. rip vaimes.
Was mostly giving Shadow a free townread for getting to L-2 so early? If he is mafia, his wagon miiiiight be pure. Don't think it is, though. Also don't think lynching him is a good idea... yup.
Killjoy is... not-Empoof. Rip. Honestly probably one of the top people actually trying to solve the game right now, imo? I haven't seen anything scummy from him so I haven't really been thinking about him that much, and he doesn't really fit into any of my worlds.
Colin's posts are really good and clear and pure and beautiful, but he never actually... voted anyone? Probably should have pushed him more on his reads instead of unvoting but there's only so much you can try to pressure someone to post with only one vote. Also wish he was more engaged, because I invited him here to play with him and now he hasn't..... really.............. played....................
Tubba feels like he's reaching every single time he posts a scumread? Definitely not w/w with Osie. His interactions with Osie are part of the reason why I wish that Archon was being wagoned instead - It's way more likely that Tubba/Archon is a thing than Osie/Tubba is a thing. Gets angry easily when people suspect him, and isn't really defending himself. His Osie/Colin/Reaverb OMGUS trifecta is... also not great. Accused Osie of flailing, but that feels more like he's projecting, tbh.
Reaverb feels... antsy?, might be due to long phases with nobody around. He's actually trying to push people and do things when he could easily afk and not try to push outside me/osie/archon if he was mafia, tho. Definitely not with Archon unless he's hard distancing, could likely be with Osie. Sort of always feels mechanical and dry to me (more mechanical than dry, unlike you, who is the opposite), so if you explained the "wooden" toneread, that would be great.
Archon is... well, he exists. I want to see what his finished readwall looks like before deadline, and hopefully he shows up? If he is town, I don't understand why he felt like 52 had to be made, because it's really bad. He said it was a joke, but... that feels like a poor attempt to dodge. If I had to rank the people on the Shadow wagon, it would be Archon > Osie > Jenna > Voxx > Vaimes in descending order of scumminess, btw.
Probably should have focused more on Jenna today but I don't own a decoder ring. Reading her posts feels like I'm reading NG logs from Polarity Hunt. I don't want to play the synonyms game, I want to play the mafia game. I feel like she's going to survive way longer than she should just off the back of Homestuck memes and deliberate obfuscation. Would probably like her to prove that she doesn't have any problems voting Osie, but. Lol.
Torg is someone who's escaped my notice a lot but I think he's town? Don't think he'd call out Archon like that if they were w/w. Possibly could be mafia with Osie and Jenna because his read on Osie keeps changing but he wants to lynch both Osie and Jenna so ??? If there is a world where neither Archon nor Osie are mafia, then dude climbs way up my scum rankings.
Osie is strange? I feel like today's lynch has been forced to be between him and me and that feels really bad? If Archon and Osie are both somehow town and we wasted our entire day I'm going to *****. His posts are ok and he's actually been in the thread which is honestly... another reason I want to lynch Archon over him... but every time I make a theory about what he's doing, all he can say is "wow.... that seems like a bad plan......." to defend himself and I don't know if I'm being lolcatted at or what????
This took too long... tfw adult adhd. v Ov
I was trying to do that but I gave up because it wasn't really working for long posts and I couldn't see if it was actually copying the entire thing because it had this tendency to skip up and down and lag when trying to highlight a lot of things
Wagon on me feels like it gained traction out of nowhere... but I'd be really surprised if any of Vaimes, Voxx, or Shadow were actually mafia? It's going to be interesting to see what the tail end of my wagon is like if I actually get lynched. Meanwhile, Osie's vote feels like he was waiting for someone to provide him with a good enough reason to vote for me, tbh. Don't mind swapping to Osie if I have to.
My problems with mobile aren't ad-based. It's like... the text is literally like 5 pixels high in the post field when writing so I can't see ***** on my 2014 phone, especially while using flux (twilight) + the page loads very slowly and in strange chunks and it's only by grace that I've been saved from accidentally liking posts when trying to swap pages because it can suddenly load something and move the buttons around... but mostly the first one. I can't see the ***** I'm typing. It's bad. 0/10.
Voxx, one of the main problems I'm having with this game is that I absolutely hate it when people aren't playing and yell at people for it all the time? And, like, now I can't really play because I can't use the forum on my phone, and I feel terrible about it. I can’t even yell at other people for not playing, because I can’t ******* post either. You should already know how I feel about this because my hate of it is a Known Beru Fact. I’d probably be posting more if Curse wasn’t trash, actually. Not, like, 700 posts, lol, but I’d actually be able to post when I’m not home which is usually when I have the time to - waiting for the bus, eating lunch, on break, whatever. Being smothered by my inability to actually play the game is making me feel p ambivalent about the entire forum, and I probably won’t play here after this. Trying to get over it, trying not to post about it, it’s affecting my gameplay so I guess I DO have to acknowledge it, I hate everything, etc. (Also, I feel like when I do make posts, very few people actually want to talk to me? It’s like people are sliding right past what posts I do get to make. Not sure if this is just me, though.)
Posts I write from notes are going to “feel pre-constructed”, to borrow Newcomb’s words on this, because I’m taking the notes I’ve already made and turning them into bigposts. I’m always going to edit what I’m saying because I’m writing things down when I think about them and then make it into something resembling a coherent post when I’m actually at my lappy. I’m not a stream of consciousness player.
Probably don't want to lynch outside of Dota and Osie today, mostly because I feel like if we don’t do it now, it’ll end up being terrible later? Also, I don’t feel like we have enough time to do anything else. The fact that nothing related to anything is really happening tbh is giving me insight into those people who are always like “wah d1 is useless”. I want something actually concrete in this game because actual flips and night actions feel like they'll help more since there’s very few posts to go off of. Was hoping that at least one person would have a reaction to me saying that I want Dota and Osie to seriously fight each other, but it feels like very few people actually care about what’s happened since the initial wagon on Shadow? I really wish they had actually engaged with each other seriously, because that could have actually been useful. If both of them are mafia, maybe we could've seen that they don’t really want to kill the other person or that they have tmi that they're both mafia and lynch both of them, and if only one of them is mafia, that person could have been forced to push something that they might not necessarily be interested in getting their hands dirty with? Probably not enough time left, but when I posted it, like, two days ago, there definitely was…
Vaimes, the problem is that the only reason that those metas were like that is because Sotek forced everyone to act in a way that was +ev to him specifically for collecting data as long as he was the only one using The Machine. Everyone was enamoured with it, so they went along with it for years and years and years. Sotek didn’t really practice what he preached as far as voting went, either, btw. You can look that up. The only reasons why he voted outside of consolidation were to try to influence wagons in a way that gave him even more data. I know I’m town, and I don’t need to analyze my own votes to be able to read my own role PM… is basically the thing. Also, I’m trying a new strat. I don’t think it’s going to work in this game because it’s been dead air in here most of the time... Voxx says it works for him on this forum, though? The “sit back and watch other players do things without your influence in order to generate something as close to (wide text) spectator chat reads as possible”? I think that’s my wording and not his at the end there
As far as analyzing things from a votes perspective in this game, it’s mostly been trash so far. I’ve moved on to charting people’s town/scumreads because that seems more helpful to me than the scattered votes I’m seeing? I need more pen colours and a bigger sheet of paper, but mostly I’m just keeping track of hard town/scumreads right now. I’m still surprised that literally nobody is townreading Archon, but it turns out that Osie isn’t actually being townread by anyone either? Shadow has been getting some minor townreads, mostly for being the wagon target, I think, but… I think it would be useful if people ranked Osie/Archon/Shadow and gave reasons, tbh. Like, people are making read walls, so I can see where they’re at, but if you don’t give actual reasons for why people are where they are, you can just bull***** a list of names.
Things I actually got out of the machine…
Osie’s vote movements indicate that he’s most likely town, but he put himself in a position where, if he’s mafia, he has to be super ultra town in order to not just ******* Die from early misplays. He also has the worst positions/reasoning on the Shadow wagon. Besides that, though, his content is way better than Archon, in that it actually exists, he has more than one scumread (or read period tbh), and he’s actually engaging people. I feel like if the Shadow wagon hadn’t happened, this guy wouldn’t be getting as many scumreads as he actually is.
Also beginning to wonder if Archon’s team is just leaving him for dead, tbh? Literally nobody is willing to defend him or get him to explain anything, but hardly anyone is actually voting for him. After he got scumread by basically everyone, he disappeared, too. Maybe they’re just hoping we’ll consolidate on someone else? Going into antispew a week before deadline is just giving up...
I really, really, really just want Archon and Osie to thunderdome, tbh. It would help a lot.
Vote: DoTArchon
I don’t think Tubba and Osie are w/w. I don’t think anyone would try to bury a partner that hard. Same goes for Osie/Jenna. It’s possible that Osie is extremely comfortable because he knows that neither of them is getting lynched off of his pushes and is doing some distancing so that if he ends up as today’s lynch, one/both of them look a lot better? Jenna is also voting Archon and has dug in her heels about it for a long time, even though she scumreads both Archon and Osie. Tubba is voting Osie, and also did this, like, weird OMGUS post about Reaver/Osie/Colin? so if someone is more likely to be scum with Osie, it’s prooobably Jenna.
Feeling something like Tubba/Archon +1 or Osie/Jenna/ +1 isn’t out of the realm of possibility. Tubba probably isn’t with Reaver or Colin either? The reaction to the scumreads is… I mean, if Tubba's scared that his partner(s) are going to bus him D1 for no reason and is flipping the **** out about getting, like, two votes? maybe? We have time to resolve this, tho.
I can pull up votals from any point in the game, btw, so if you want the state of the votal at the time someone voted, you can just @ me and I'll dump it.
Fun Beru Facts: just realized that this is the first game I’ve actually played with Voxx in at least three years, maybe four? That’s weird.
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I've figured out that the secret to phoneposting on this forum is to write in Google Docs and then copy it into the thread, btw. Docs actually has, like, a readable font, even tho you can't do formatting or anything. No quotes, but whatever.
Honestly surprised more people think that Archon is scum over Osie? I’m pretty sure that not a single person in this thread has given anything besides a scumread on Archon, actually. That feels really weird? Usually, people who get scumread by literally everyone aren't actually mafia. It's not universal, though. The only people Archon has actually expressed opinions on are Osie and Shadow, and those were both negative. Plus, besides Osie's interactions with Shadow, he feels better to me than Archon does. I kinda feel like I'm falling for some sort of trap, not sure whether or not the Osie townfeels are because I'm just hoping the people who have time to post are all town at this point. On the other other hand, for all the suspicion, Archon hasnt actually gotten that many votes... the only people who actually voted him so far are Jenna, Reaverb, and Torg. I'm going to have to reread the thread on my lappy to figure out this one, but it's 4 AM and I have a test tomorrow so, like, not now.
Hm.
It seems like most of the thread has forgotten that Torg exists, actually - only, like, three people are actually talking to him or acknowledging his existence.
@Reaverb Tau, Torg isn't in your reads wall even though you literally talked to him the post before... how do you feel about him? Also, Voxx doesn’t like it when people only use one x.
@Killjoy - I started playing mafia 12 years ago, but two years ago I basically stopped to focus on irl/school. I un-retired this summer, but this school year is trying its best to force me to tap out again. Rip me. Also... we played in Gotham Underground together! The game that still makes Voxx sad half a decade later because he snuck his way in to a game with friends under a name people from MSPAFia didnt know him as and got shot N1 by Acio and Laset anyway! I was also town and definitely not RPing.
@Osieorb18 - At the time you made 129, Empoof/Killjoy only had one post, so I’m surprised you were even light scum on him, tbh. I also don’t understand why you think Colin’s post shifts Empoof/Killjoy more towards town? Can you explain this further? My thoughts on Jenna are: she's weird but I'm not sure if that's because she's mafia or because she's new. I'm content with letting her explore the game for now, basically. I'm wondering about how you went from "Wow, I hope she's town" to "let me write a long ass post and then vote her", though. Can you explain what changed for you? Most of those Jenna posts are from before you made your initial read...
@Voxxicus - I decided that reading you off of RVS posts wasn't very helpful, and decided to wait for you to come back and give Actual Real Content. I'm trying to fend off the paranoia descent into madness, but it's really hard with no info. I thought these phases would give me more time to think and actually try and balance the game with irl, but instead it's just me dying inside because I have too much time to think and nowhere to vent the cr*zy. Like your posts are good and Voxx-y but then I remember 166 exists and I know you know better than to post ***** like that and im dying squirtle
Colin, can you give more than one line each on your reads that aren't Reaverb or Shadow? How do you feel about Archon and Osie?
Shadow, it was Jenna and I who called Archon out for doing that, not Vaimes...
The concept of it being a secret that Voxx and I can read you is also extremely that image macro I posted.
I want Colin to actually show up, is the thing. Tbf, only one person voting someone usually isn't good for making them show up, but I'm going to try anyway.
I also need to actually go over votes properly besides, like, reading the the thread? Haven't had time to look at machine stuff yet.
This is generally how I feel about this game so far:
I'm not used to Voxx being like this and I feel like I'm already in Wine Hell. People being like this about him is also weird for me, tbh. It's like... when you look in a double mirror and see yourself not-mirrored and are like "who the **** am i looking at??? this is weird????"
I don't think the two week phase length is actually good for me, either. It doesn't actually feel like I'm in a game. I prefer my games to feel like something is imminently at stake, I think.. I think that what I actually want to play is 5/2... but the only site I've played on that reliably runs that phase length has been dead for a while. Rip FS.
Jenna, if you're going to be committed to RPing, I would prefer you go back to what you were doing before. Kanaya doesn't talk like that even when she isn't Typing Like This, and it's making your posts hella annoying to understand. (and if you're going to shorten people's names with pesterchum name shortening, why not like. decapitalize the first letter. come on.) (also the name shortening makes reading your posts like trying to read sheet music for me) (like seriously please stop)
Sorely tempted to just believe Shadow is town based on the fact that he got to H-2 so early in the game. I really don't think everyone who was on the wagon is town, and I don't think mafia would do that to a teammate? Plus, he's actually asking people why they're doing things, and also following up when they give their answers. It's good.
I feel like there's at least one wolf in Archon/Osieorb - Archon voted Shadow in RVS and then decided it was a real vote in #52. While it was a RVS vote at the time it was made, he felt the need to back it up with Actual Something. Now he's dismissed it as Not Actually Something That Ever Really Existed In The First Place (#102) while moving his vote to someone who agreed with him about it? Like, he's calling Osie shady for doing the same thing that he did? Does the concept of self-awareness exist here? (I would like #52 clarified if it wasn't... like,,, real?????) + Osie sheeping Archon's reasons for the vote with the near-immediate backdown after Voxx calls it out (and then? voting for voxx?) isn't that great, either. I don't think it's impossible for them to be together? but I don't think that one witch would immediately follow the other like that, especially since they're supposed to be long-time players or something... Mostly I just want them to fight each other and see what happens, tbh.
I don't understand Reaverb's reasons in #63 regarding the Archon/Shadow thing. Like, I don't think that simulposting asking someone to explain why someone else did a thing would have that effect? Also, him thinking I'm unable to read Vaimes when I correctly read him as my person-who-knows-my-role-and-alignment in another game a few months ago immediately is lol. Voxx is here, too. "Several people" does not equal "one fontisian". Wyd.
Btw, Vaimes is town, y'all. You're welcome.
I originally voted Colin for memes but I've decided that I'm not going to move my vote until he makes some actual posts. If I had more votes, Archon, Osieorb, or Reaverb would be fine, too. You can pretend I have a vote on all four of them if you want.
Ok, I know the beginning of this post said I was here now, but I actually have to go to bed now? @ me if you need anything, I guess?
My schedule this semester basically makes me unavailable or of very low availability on M/T/W because I have class and work (I'm a professor's assistant) which is why I decided to /in games on MTGS - being away for three days in a row isn't terrible when days are two weeks long. I'll probably be able to sneak in one or two posts (hi o/) but unfortunately I have to be a responsible adult and, like, do... things. This weekend is Canadian Thanksgiving, too, so I won't be around for most of Thursday and next Monday even tho it's a stat, probably. I'll probably be able to pop in? but like. Not during the day, lol.
I've also decided that I'm going to phonepost as little as possible this game because
newcomb is rightthis site gives me the luxury of time and if I'm not home I don't have to post when I should really be doing other things. Ofc I'll be reading on breaks and whatever, and if you want me to say something super urgently sure, but like... when I don't have to, I'm not going to. I'm pretty sure you could make a prediction that a bear won't be able to help themself from making posts later, and you'd probably be right. For now, tho...Also, have a pic of some ****ed up Garfields:
P.S. Vote Colin
Why do people...
Beru Vaimes mafia but also Beru Newcomb mafia at the same time...
Well, it would be Fun.