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  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    I sure hope that list isnt accurate. Fireblast was on there. Modern turns into the modern burn format. ๐Ÿ˜“
    I'm ok with this. Conversely, London Mulligan completely annihilates Burn as a competitive deck.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from DEspite ยป
    Why the hell would they be reprinting Gush to Modern when it's literally banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage
    And legal as a 4-of in Pauper. Gush is one of those cards where its power level is largely determined by the format's limitations instead of the card itself.

    That said I also find it unlikely to be in Horizons.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from rcwraspy ยป
    It's so easy to see on this new decklist rule who likes linear noninteractive games and who doesn't. Smile
    I'm a Jund player and I hate the new decklist rule. I don't like big sweeping changes like London mulligan or this decklist thing when the game is great already and just needs finessing here and there, depending on format.

    Out of curiosity, why do you hate it?
    Primarily grumpy old man reasons. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if it's only slightly broke, why feel the need to make such sweeping changes?

    Regarding the decklist rule specifically, I've always thought that correctly assessing your opponent's game plan, deck, and possible cards in deck was a skill based on knowledge of the applicable format. I don't like changes that take skills away from the game. It makes experience and practice much less important.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    It's so easy to see on this new decklist rule who likes linear noninteractive games and who doesn't. Smile
    I'm a Jund player and I hate the new decklist rule. I don't like big sweeping changes like London mulligan or this decklist thing when the game is great already and just needs finessing here and there, depending on format.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
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    I think karakas would be fine. The only deck it'll really heavily impact is grishoalbrand imo. So many other creature strats just don't care about it. I get there is minimal deck building cost to the first one really, like pendelhaven, but more than 2 seems like you'd be stretching it.

    I don't think you'd need a fixed version of it and I don't think it'll be all that useful to the format. Unless they print some busted in half legendary creature that lets you abuse it.

    Apparently one of the more broken interactions, Karakas + Vendilion Clique, already doesn't see that much play in Legacy.

    What Karakas has done more to Legacy is make Gurmag Angler the primary Delve fatty and Tasigur, the Golden Fang see practically no play. While Modern has already been going in that direction because 5/5's are sweeter than 4/5's, a mere land that prevents Tasigur but not Gurmag from ever connecting is a pretty big pressure (a pressure I have personally experienced from trying Legacy decks, too).

    Karakas tends to traditionally be a hoser of unfair decks in Legacy, though--it keeps bouncing cheated-in legends such as Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Griselbrand. It's arguably one of the pressures that pushed Legacy onto Griselbrand instead of Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur (the other is Show and Tell decks). It's quite possible that Karakas can do a similar job in Modern, preventing Goryo's Vengeance decks from becoming too popular.
    Karakas is really just for Emrakul and Griselbrand for Sneak/Show and Reanimator strategies and Marit Lage (Dark Depths) from Lands and Turbo Depths, which sees a lot of play in Legacy right now. In fact I'd say Marit Lage is probably seen more than Emrakul in Legacy right now.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from idSurge ยป

    1. Print Swords to Plowshares, Daze, Planar Void and Counterspell in Modern Horizons.
    2. Print additional fair cards in Green, White, Black.
    3. Print some new combo's that have a payoff card that cannot be cast before Turn 4 with regularity.
    4. Unban Stoneforge Mystic, Splinter Twin, KCI
    5. Ban Terminus
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe KCI was banned because it violated the T4 rule or because it had too much meta share. Wasn't it closer to the Eggs ban in some ways? If so I'd remove unban KCI from your list.

    I'd also remove ban Terminus from your list. I understand that printing Swords, Daze, Counterspell could make control with Terminus very strong, but I'd rather give it time to be sure instead of preemptively banning Terminus. SFM was a preemptive format ban and people are still waiting for it to come off.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
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    There is no way around a Looting ban. The card is way too powerful.

    People are packing a bunch of gy hate and dredge still has a 56% winrate. That is ridicolous

    Much like my view of Probe, I find it ironic that a card which has been legal in Modern for nearly the entirety of the existence of the format, is suddenly broken. But nobody seems to address that the reason why it's "broken" is specifically due to new printings that abuse free, uncounterable graveyard abilities.
    I 2/3rds agree with you. I agree it's similar to Probe (which I felt shouldn't have been banned). I agree that Lootings has been fine for ever. But I disagree that it's simply because of new printings. New printings have made those decks more popular, but the real issue in my mind is that the format lacks general answers to those strategies which can be deployed by almost any deck.


    Hey, rwcraspy, long time, no see. What's up? I agree, but a question. What format has answers that can be deployed in every deck? For Example, Legacy has Force of will / daze / etc, but only blue decks can play those answers, toxic deluge is black, etc, etc. So, what do you mean?
    Yeah, that's a good point. I should amend to say powerful, broad answers available in each color. And of course when it comes to the graveyard there's already a lot of artifact (playable by all decks, technically) based hate.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm ยป
    There is no way around a Looting ban. The card is way too powerful.

    People are packing a bunch of gy hate and dredge still has a 56% winrate. That is ridicolous

    Much like my view of Probe, I find it ironic that a card which has been legal in Modern for nearly the entirety of the existence of the format, is suddenly broken. But nobody seems to address that the reason why it's "broken" is specifically due to new printings that abuse free, uncounterable graveyard abilities.
    I 2/3rds agree with you. I agree it's similar to Probe (which I felt shouldn't have been banned). I agree that Lootings has been fine for ever. But I disagree that it's simply because of new printings. New printings have made those decks more popular, but the real issue in my mind is that the format lacks general answers to those strategies which can be deployed by almost any deck.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm ยป
    From twitter:

    #MTGBilbao Semifinal results:

    2010 World Champion Guillaume Matignon defeats Thomas Rasmussen in an Izzet Phoenix mirror

    Now six-time GP Top 8 competitor Louis-Samuel Deltour (Whir Prison) triumphs over Joseba Garcia (Dredge).

    EDIT: Matignon on UR Phoenix takes down Bilbao

    So this gets updated:

    Since Printing Phoenix on 10/5/18
    Total GPs: 6
    Total copies of Phoenix in T8: 9
    Avg copies per GP: 1.5 (?, 2*, 2*, 2, 1*, 2, 0) *Win
    Winners: 3* (Don't know Tampa results yet)

    Twin in all of 2015
    Total GPs: 8
    Total copies of Twin in T8: 10
    Avg copies per GP: 1.25 (3*, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1*, 0) *Win
    Winners: 2 (vastly different builds, nearly a year apart)

    Either Phoenix gets banned, Twin gets unbanned, or WOTC are just massive hypocrites who sold us on a bulls**t banning three years ago.
    I see the numbers you've posted and certainly can't dispute them (I'm assuming they're correct without doing the fact-checking myself). The one thing I'd say is that Twin is a combo whereas Phoenix relies on a limited number of attackers. WotC's ban of Twin came with a nod toward allowing more "fair" (read: not combo) U/R decks in the format to thrive. They may think it's easier to interact with Phoenix than it was with Twin and therefore be fine with the numbers.

    I'm not saying I agree with that argument, but I'm just presenting it as a possible train of thought which would distinguish the decks and potentially provide a gap in the tolerance for those numbers.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I'm wondering how Horizons will affect prices of existing cards. It's hard to know until the spoilers, but even without reprinting existing cards, it can still affect their prices.

    After all, some decks may find cards in it suit them slightly better than certain cards currently in the deck (even if they aren't strictly better, and other decks with that card would still use it), which could cause those cards to turn up for sale, some decks could be made more viable by new inclusions which could result in people buying other cards from those decks, some cards could see strictly better versions turn up and plummet in price, some decks could see enough new hate against them or decks that prey on them rising in the metagame or being created based on the new cards and become less popular with their pieces dropping in demand, and so on.

    It's probably good that the shock-lands are currently in print, given the potential for Modern Horizons to increase the popularity of the format. Although of course, that could only make the pressure on the fetch-lands worse, so if that does happen, I hope they'd quickly reprint those in large numbers somehow outside of Standard.
    My current operating assumption is that two things will happen.

    1. Cards will be printed that will enable low-tier or currently non-existent decks and invalidate current decks. The cards from those invalidated decks which are used solely in those decks will drop in price. However, if this happens at all it will likely only happen to a very small number of decks, maybe not even more than 1 deck.

    2. Cards will be printed that boost current strategies. The cards currently used by those strategies will rise in dollar value as their decks become more popular. This has a higher chance of happening to a larger number of decks.

    And with either (or both) of those possibilities comes the inevitable meta-game shift which itself could create the same sort of price variations we currently see when the meta shifts.

    So overall it is my opinion that buying current staples should be a net financial benefit, but be ready for some of those staples to fall in price. If you diversify the staples and their respective decks you should come out ahead.

    There's also a possibility that if Horizons has the kind of impact that the first Modern Masters did, Modern will grow in popularity yet again, also raising the prices of most staples.

    That's just what makes sense to me at the moment - certainly don't take it as gospel.

    EDIT: And as you mention, there's also the possibility that they print "strictly better" cards. I wouldn't anticipate this happening very broadly. Maybe Counterspell pushes Mana Leak and Remand further out of the format, but those cards aren't widely played at the moment anyway. Similar to #1 above, I wouldn't anticipate this happening to a large portion of the current staples. Remember that it's designed as a draft set so there will be a lot of chaff that doesn't make its way into competitive Modern.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from cfusionpm ยป
    The fact that Mox Amber can't actually cast anything until the Legendary permanent is already on the battlefield makes it aggressively mediocre. It will be interesting to see if someone actually breaks it, but its reliance on things already being there is significantly more difficult than turning on Mox Opal. It's hype and speculation, and I'm guessing many people are going to regret buying them (just like the people who pre-ordered them for $30, only to see it fall to $7).
    If White Weenie or Red Sligh type decks ever wanted ramp it would be OK there. But they don't. Maybe Elves, to cut things down by a turn?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Happy with no changes. On top of the obvious things coming down the road - Horizons, potential change to Mulligan rules, and a new Standard set with loads of PWs - I simply don't think any card met a currently-known threshold for bans. I know a large contingent of voices (especially pros) wanted Looting banned but I feel that's a very misguided target.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    I voted for #2.

    I really like Modern right now, and think it's at a "medium" place in terms of the format's history. I think "fair" decks need some slight boosts and then it would be pretty perfect. I'm cautiously optimistic about Modern Horizons adding things for historically underrepresented color pairings in Modern, like BUG, Esper, Temur, Bant, Dimir, etc. If they print playable fair cards (don't even have to approach broken) and steer clear of combo and gy enablers in the set then I think we're headed in a great direction.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on MYTHIC CHAMPIONSHIP London new mulligan rule test in Modern & Limited
    Quote from ITRules ยป
    I like what they are testing out for this new mulligan rule but I would prefer they modify the system and also add the old rule to it. So this is how it should look:

    First Mulligan: Draw 7 cards, choose 6 and put one onto the bottom of your library. Scry 1

    Second Mulligan: Draw 6, choose 5 and put one onto the bottom of your library. Scry 1

    Third Mulligan: Draw 5, choose 4 and put one onto the bottom of your library. Scry 1

    So on and so forth afterwards. This I think reduces the chance of combo decks mulligan to the point of getting their combo and also prevents mulligan in second and third games to get your sideboard card (ex. Leylines).
    That's a good idea but I think it's just too complicated. They need something that a new player will be able to grasp quickly.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from rcwraspy ยป
    $40/ea on TCGPlayer the lowest we can expect for Noble Hierarch?

    I think so, at least in the short run and until it is reprinted again. It already bottomed out to about $30 during the UMA release, but started climbing back up 2 weeks after. I wouldn't sleep on these cards if I were you.

    There's a whole bunch that I want to buy play sets of and am just waiting to get money from other cards to fund this (I'm looking at you extra sets of Goryo's Vengeance, Celestial Colonnade, Through the Breach, as well as some from IMA.)
    Thank you. I'm sorry I missed the $30 bottom, but just pulled the trigger at $40/each for 4. Especially since no currently-Modern legal cards will be in Modern Horizons, I see these having nowhere to go but up for the foreseeable future.
    Posted in: Modern
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