I'm having second thoughts about Bribery, mostly because I've discovered that Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger is a thing and it's using up a valuable slot that, honestly, I'd rather have an alternate win condition in. I'd still say Bribery is generally good, but I think it might be becoming one of those cards where I really like it, but wind up cutting it for something I'd rather have.
I'm still keeping Acquire though because, unlike Bribery, most decks run some sort of mana rocks (almost always Sol Ring at the very least,) and other value artifacts that I might want. I think the odds of getting a useful artifact is better than the odds of getting a useful/game winning creature. Not to mention I can always grab artifact creatures.
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Dec 16, 2016What is it trying to do? Is removal important to the overall endgame? Do you need removal to keep your strategy going? Eg:Posted in: Commander (EDH)
- My Tariel stax deck runs around 20 removal spells or spells with removal effects because the whole thing is focused around resource denial.
- The Lovisa deck I'm working on runs around 3 because the deck is mostly concerned with attacking players as fast and hard as possible.
It really just depends.
Dec 15, 2016Nodrog posted a message on Is it time to allow Planeswalkers as Commanders Officially?Posted in: Commander (EDH)Quote from MRdown2urth »Maybe if they returned the tuck rule to its original form.
They should just bring back the tuck rule. It's like RC went out of their way to hate on blue's only viable method for removing generals from the equation.
That and reintroduce the "banned as commander" sub-category. I could see some planeswalker-generals being absurdly powerful in the command zone, but fairly tame in the 99. Tezzeret the Seeker comes to mind.
Dec 15, 2016Posted in: Commander (EDH)Quote from Underhill83 »Maybe I should try it in my Athreos Clerics deck. I mean, if the flipped land dies it is still a creature with cmc 3 or less, right?
Not to mention it makes clerics so, you know...fits the theme.
Dec 15, 2016Posted in: Commander (EDH)Quote from ISBPathfinder »I think the biggest thin if comparing vs Dark Depths is that Westvale Abbey still produces colorless mana so you are not out a land drop when you go to play it. If you dont have the right setup for it, its still a colorless land. If you dont have the right set up for Dark Depths, its really terrible.
In my mind, its kind of like the analogy between Maze of Ith and Kor Haven. If you are not up against big beefy creatures then Maze of Ith feels awkward. Kor Haven takes up minimal space and is a functional land outside its utility.
Because Westvale Abbey still produces mana and comes in untapped, its a small risk but a decent bit of utility assuming you ever fire the transform. Dark Depths is a liability until you fire it and often it requires additional setup to really "work". Westvale Abbey on the other hand requires less support and is a lot better when you are not firing the transform.
Yeah, I think that's what sells me on the card. It's all of the things I'm looking for: a mana source, token production, and a finisher. I mostly compared it to Dark Depths, because of the whole "dump a resource into this land: get a big beatstick" feature. The fact that it taps for mana is especially relevant in my deck, since it only runs 35 lands. I feel like most of the time, having Dark Depths out in that deck would be like hobbling around with a twisted ankle. Oh sure, you'll still get to where you're going....eventually.
Dec 14, 2016Westvale AbbeyPosted in: Commander (EDH)
Reverse side: Ormendahl, Profane Prince
What does everyone think about this card? I've been considering it for my stax deck as a possible token producer/finisher. The token production seems expensive, but I could picture it being a decent EOT mana dump if I don't have anything better to do. The flip side gives some strong lifegain and the deck sometimes does some severe bloodletting to get things online.
Some downsides I've noticed are the cost of token production, Ormendahl can still be exiled/bounced and lands blowing up is a thing that happens with relative frequency when I play this deck.
I guess I also want to pick people's brains about this card in a more general sense. Could you see it being viable in any other decks? I find this card quite interesting and I'm digging the art. It kind of reminds me a bit of Dark Depths, though the upshot is that it taps for mana.
Dec 13, 2016Hmm... upon playtesting, my opening hands seem a little less reliable. cutting the 2CC creatures seems to have caused some mana curve issues. I would chalk this up to bad luck, but it seems too consistent. I might revert the changes and see what I can do to work around it.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
*Edit Further playtesting has yeilded some interesting results. It seems that things are still pretty stable, but I just have to be smarter about what I'm dropping when. There seems to be a stronger emphasis on mana doublers. Not sure how I feel about that, but the deck is still hella aggressive.
*EditEdit Lol I'm one card short. Adding Sad Robot.
Dec 13, 2016Posted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsQuote from Tryno »The following cards feel like they promote investing to much into the board in my opinion: Paragon of Fierce Defiance, Goblin Wardriver, Brighthearth Banneret. They feel to important to attack with and only shine when they synergize with other cards. I would promote adding Raging River, Scab-Clan Berserker, and Solemn Simulacrum. I know Solemn isn't part of the tribe, but it gives too much to exclude, especially in a mono red deck with limited access to resources.
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs. Playing as an aggressive deck, makes Kazzul less good. Its because people tend to attack less when you are committed to turning all of your cards sideways every turn. This is because they wish to leave blockers up for when its your turn again. I would add Markov Blademaster. It is literally insane, if I could have every warrior in my Lovisa deck be Markov Blademaster, I would.
I already have Markov Blademaster in my list. She's pretty baller.
I have Wardriver in my list mostly because he's cheap and offers a pretty decent effect for his cost. Paragon of Fierce Defiance is mostly there for his anthem effect and that he himself gets pumped my other things in the deck (including Lovisa.)
I would be okay with cutting Brighthearth Banneret and Kazuul though. Your criticism of not wanting to attack with these creatures is especially relevant to Banneret, who doesn't even meaningfully improve my ability to play spells.
Scab-Clan Berserker seems good. What do you think of Atarka Pummeler in place of Kazuul?
Dec 13, 2016Posted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsQuote from MRdown2urth »Opinion on the colorless wraths?
I like them. Not sure if I would run them, since my only recovery from board wipes is not overextending, but if I did, I'd probably go with Perilous Vault, since it exiles, and that's not something red is usually good at. From playtesting, I get to 8-9 mana pretty easily, so I could likely cast and then pop it right away.
Dec 12, 2016Hey All! Been trying to get out my little combo/control hovel and try my hands at something more aggro-focused. Lovisa seemed like she would be ideal for me. She's unique and fun to pilot. All initial testing has been very enjoyable and I look forward to seeing how I can develop and tweak this list.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Special shoutout to Airithne for helping me refine my pile of cards into a playable list. Thanks!
Decklist can also be found here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lovisa-coldeyes-wip/
Here's what I have:
Cards I'm ConsideringMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards 2 Commune with Lava
3 Shared Animosity
8 Avatar of Slaughter
- Berserkers' Onslaught
- Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
- Goblin Wardriver
- Brighthearth Banneret
+ Rage Reflection
+ Atarka Pummeler
+ Scab-Clan Berserker
+ Raging River
- Snow-Covered Mountain
- Thawing Glaciers
+ Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
+ Scrying Sheets
+ Solemn Simulacrum
I wanted to make a slightly different build by adding a disruption package. Cards like Price of Glory and Blood Moon are particularly strong in my meta, since multicolor is prevalent and people like doing things EOT.
(Also, I'm aware of the interaction of Aggravated Assault + Sword of Feast and Famine, but I don't think in most circumstances I would explicitly try to get that online and the deck certainly isn't built around doing so. It's there to satiate my crippling need for an infinite combo lol.)
As always, feedback is much appreciated.
Dec 10, 2016You want to play Teferi's Puzzle Box and be oppressive? Combo it with Uba Mask lol. And speaking of which, why not be literal and run Oppression?Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Both seem very strong in a Leovold lockdown/stax-style deck and both cost under $1.
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Jul 8, 2012Posted in: Nodrog BlogQuote from MockingbirdIf you want, you can splash in land destruction to get maximum hatred with Teneb. Let me give an example of what someone did to me.
My opponent Mortify-ed my Primeval Titan. Then revived it with Teneb. They didn't trigger the land searched though because he then Armageddoned... I scooped.
I am testing Cataclysm to see if it's a viable win condition in conjunction with most of the fatties in my deck.
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