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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Yeesh. Think I'll avoid the Modern Reddits and this Thread for a while. The negativity and tantrums are absurd right now. Not a single good discussion on anything productive in the past week now.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Guys, my point was that people need to stop using the term "Fair". Use "Interactive" or "Uninteractive," because that's what you're all actually discussing.

    Phoenix is Fair in that it has to spend plenty of time durdling, casting spells, maybe removing a few things here or there, and plays out a few threats like Thing or Crackling Drake that are easy to answer, but can take over a game if ignored. Can Phoenix put out a few free dudes pretty fast and pressure a life total? Sure, but Jund gets 2-for-1s for free any time it casts BBE, possibly even more if they hit Lili or something really nuts. Terminus is insane, despite being in a Fair deck. The difference is that Jund and U/W are highly interactive, while Phoenix is not.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Is Bloodbraid Elf a fair card? I always thought it wasn't, yet Jund gets to be a "Fair" deck. Terminus is DEFINITELY not a fair card, but U/W is a "Fair" deck? Death's Shadow, as mentioned is completely unfair, and heck, most Delve cards are super unfair, as well; but hey, Death's Shadow is generally called a "Fair" deck, as well!

    I'm pretty sure most people complaining about how poorly "Fair" decks are doing in the Modern Meta are just back on the usual, "The format isn't interactive enough," train and are using their terminology incorrectly. Any good deck in Modern is doing something unfair; even Skred Red deals 5+ damage for 1 mana.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    B/W Pox variants or B/W Tokens have historically had plenty of Planeswalkers in them. Seems like everything's coming up B/W recently, so who knows!
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    As an LGS manager, I'm seeing a ton of speculators picking up all of our PW-related cards.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    I think the majority of posts that have ever had the word "Tron" in them in the past 10 years have commented on how BS Turn 3 Karn is, and as someone who started with Skred Red, I also mirrored that sentiment. Nowadays there is plenty of hate to run against Tron, and it doesn't put up backbreaking numbers; however, admittedly the group think of "WOW **** TRON" does still remain.

    I've thought for quite a while now that Hollow One is as far linear as Modern should go, so I was very happy to see KCI go. Nowadays I look at the top decks and think, "Gee, Skred or Soul Sisters feels like it would crap all over 80% of these decks pretty hard..."

    Unfortunately, Modern has cooled off for quite a while in my neck of the woods, and I'm the area's TO now as well as weekend shop manager, so I never get to play in anything!
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    SCG has said "Out of Stock" for a bunch of the most expensive Modern cards for a few months now. I know a lot of people lean on the equity argument when it comes to regular reprint discussions, but it really feels like WotC is just leaving money on the table when the market gets like this, and there's no relief in sight.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    - product announcement timelines have changed.

    As someone in the industry, this is a hell of an understatement, uggghhh.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from idSurge »
    Basics. Laughing

    If demand was greater than supply, I couldnt buy 8 off of any number of sites, right now, of Tarns.

    I can however.

    No, you can buy them from other Magic players who own shops and are willing to sell them. SCG is out of them, CFB barely has any in stock; one of the few places you can buy them is TCGPlayer, which connects to shops like mine, and yeah, there are maybe a hundred Scalding Tarns available. Compare that to almost any other card in Modern, and I'd say that demand is heavily outpacing the supply.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Until Fetches are printed at the same rate as basics, demand will always be greater than the supply. The question is simply, "Where does WotC feel like making money, once every half a decade, or spread out on an annual basis?" One of these is great for the format and the player-base, and one of them is good for Whales and financiers. The answer here seems obvious to me.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Maybe an analysis of Day 2 conversion rates would be better than this silly approach of, "ThE nUmBeRs ArE rEaLlY hIgH!" If there were 2,000 Dredge decks and 200 G/B Rock decks, the numbers become a bit hazier on the "best decks," or how degenerate GY strategies are.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Pssshhh. People are so small-minded, I swear. Guess it's time to pull Skred Red back out and dumpster the meta, because it has literally all positive matchups against that list of decks (with the exception of B/G Rock).
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    - High prices on cards that can be and are reprinted further indicate that Modern is thriving

    Is Legacy thriving?? Because quite a few cards in Legacy "can be and are reprinted", yet I don't believe Legacy is thriving at the moment. They also have extremely high prices, so I disagree that high prices = a thriving format. Tournament turn-out definitely shows that Modern is doing well, but Arena blows it out of the water by a large margin, I imagine.

    - People paying that amount for the cards supports Wizards and incentivizes them to directly support Modern, i.e. with Masters or Horizons

    No, people paying that amount supports Star City Games, who are also (not coincidentally) the reason Modern is thriving so hard. Singles don't support WotC. WotC barely has any tournaments that regularly force Modern, so SCG and local communities are most of what keep paper Modern thriving. As someone west of Missouri, I can basically just rely on my local community and a few yearly events to actually play Modern at all. So to grow the local community in a small town, in a midwestern state, prices can't be low-level Legacy, or the format is almost non-existent.

    Yes, I understand that eastern US and larger cities in states where "middle class" is the majority and pay rates are generally much higher makes it a bit easier to justify $90 for a Scalding Tarn, but when $7.25 is Minimum Wage and the rent is about $700 a month, you cut out a very large portion of players who don't work in middle-class industries.

    Do garbage men not "deserve" to play Magic now?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    UMA had like 20 or 30 expensive Modern cards reprinted, and they could have reprinted Manamorphose and a few other Uncommons to really hit the sweet spot if they were actually aiming to ever address this issue, rather than just string the format along on life support in terms of affordability. I just can't imagine any other sets that can hit 20+ needed reprints for the power level that Modern cards have, hence my pessimism. Anything that would actually address the many, many needed reprints of Modern would just be a Scooby-Doo meme of, "Let's see who this set REALLY is...it's just more Modern Masters after they said we aren't doing Modern Masters anymore!!" And honestly, if they want to pull that move and make the set a $4 Booster set, I wouldn't even give a crap. Hell, I'd hold a parade for them! Sure, it'll have taken them 5 years to do exactly what everyone said to do after about Year 2, but I'd love to see it actually happen.

    Probably won't though. WotC has never shown they're willing to address the issue in a timely and efficient manner, and I don't expect them to start now.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from whocansay »
    What exactly is 'the Legacy treatment'?

    Allowing older cards to continually balloon in price with only the barest smattering of reprints that take 5-10 years to come around again? This drives more casual players out of a format and shrinks the chances of a local meta developing by a large margin, in my experience. I wanted to see this effect avoided in Modern at all costs, as I've been fairly successful at keeping a small local meta of Modern players engaged; however, I was hoping this year would be a good year for Modern prices (after the last few being abysmal) and that more and more players would be getting into Modern and developing our local meta.

    Now it seems more feasible to just sell out of physical cards when they spike and simply buy into MTGO if I feel like playing Modern more regularly.

    Quote from Colt47 »
    No reprints whatsoever; I'll be readying my collection for sale some time this year if WotC is planning on giving Modern the Legacy treatment....


    Ha, no if anything the modern horizons set is a good thing. The issue modern had is that they tried to do this cash grab thing with nothing but masters sets serving as the reprint set. While this worked early on, the set fell out of favor ages ago after MM2. The combination of the price and the print run levels made modern staples hold their value or even go up as they tried to force people into playing standard. Commander hit a new low as well with Commander 2018, but those will rebound in price.

    It "fell out of favor" because WotC started playing a financial market game instead of developing a successful, long-term business and player base. When the Mythics in a Limited Print Run $250 set are worth $1, it's not "the market's" fault that your product failed; you made a terrible product, and it deserved to fail.

    Masters sets were a reprint set done terribly. Horizons isn't a reprint set. So the issue will still exist until they deal with it.

    The only reason I would sell out of modern right now is because of the reprint promise. If they pull off this plan correctly, I'm envisioning the price on a lot of high cost cards to drop a lot. The reason is the price point on new boxes: If they release a set with liliana of the Veil and two other high cost mythics along with a bunch of legacy cards that only got one printing, along with the set being priced around 90-140 dollars a box on amazon, it will be opened like mad compared to a masters set. That means the price of cards like Noble Hierarch will fall long term as they get reprinted and cracked open.

    What promise is this, and where are they reprinting these cards that will see enough of a print run and a price point that they actually affect the prices of Modern staples? An unlimited print run, possibly $6-per booster set exactly like Modern Horizons seems like it would have been the perfect place for such reprints, but that isn't happening, and they're apparently done with large-scale reprints, soooo....what is this set that's going to affect reprints? The Innovation set for the year is announced; what's left?

    The fact is they have to get super aggressive on reprinting staples in paper because arena is going to push a lot of new players into paper magic. Once they go there, Modern is currently the defacto eternal format for people now. Legacy is insane due to costs of a few outlier cards because of the reserved list. Modern does not have the same issue. Rather, modern has the problem of too many cards and a company that wanted to milk the economy dry.

    We've been saying this for half a decade. Consider me jaded, but I'm fairly pessimistic about the entire situation right now.
    Posted in: Modern
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