Quote from LouCypher »
What kind of meta do you play in where a T1 Serra Ascendant will always dominate the game? Cause I'd like to play there.
Quote from LouCypher »They changed the wording because they now know Commander is a thing, which they didn't at the time of Ascendant's release.
Also I wager there's more people disagreeing with you than there are with me, judging by the responses. Serra Ascendant just isn't ever going to get banned because it's not that good a card. Beyond lifegain-matters decks like Karlov it's almost extinct.
Quote from LouCypher »Except it's no issue at all. It's just the most efficient beatstick in EDH in the weakest single colour of EDH in a format where efficient beatsticks usually aren't where you want to be.
Quote from MRHblue »But your position is only about one card from the old days, so your argument isnt about the wording, its about that one card. If there were a bunch of them, maybe that's an issue. If it wasn't multiplayer with politics, maybe its an issue. If it wasn't a dead draw late game, maybe its an issue. But it isnt good enough to even kill a person the VAST majority of the time.
Quote from Kamino_Taka »
The issue is that its a one mana 6/6 flying lifelink. And I ask why thats not reasonable in a format where it is a) unlikely to get said 6/6 early on and b) . still takes lots of turns to kill one of the players.
Quote from PhroX »
If this was a 20 life one-on-one format, that would be a decent point. But it's not. And in the context of the format, a 1 mana 6/6 with nothing but a couple of keywords is perfectly reasonable.
Quote from MRHblue »Quote from Kangodo »I don't want to ban it, I want additional rules so Ascendant only triggers at 50 life.Where does 50 come from? Does that same logic apply to any card that references life total? Does that apply to Poison too?
Quote from Kangodo »I don't want to ban it, I want additional rules so Ascendant only triggers at 50 life.
Quote from FunkyDragon »Quote from Kangodo »I don't want to ban it, I want additional rules so Ascendant only triggers at 50 life.Same additional rules that now make Lightning Bolt deal 6 damage if it targets a player? I mean, if we're errataing things to function proportionately to our starting life total... Talk about a slippery slope. Do creatures have to deal twice as much damage to players as to other creatures? So now Serra Ascendant has to deal 12 damage to a player once it's online instead of 6 because the opponents have an additional 20 starting life to chunk through?
Additional rules are unneeded, overly complicated, and would not make sense.
Quote from Alex916 »Mox Amber seems like it should go in, but what about the new squee, he fills a bit different of a roll than OG squee and he also wears a skullclamp very well, I mean 4 mana draw two cards and repeatable in the same turn seems at least good, lacks synergy with rummaging goblin but gains increased synergy with a few cards but still not sure if it’s good enough
Quote from dachivale »
So you play the game, to have fun and not to win? Why did it matter that you lost to a combo player at 2 life I wonder?
Also who says some others might not have enjoyed the game even if you didn't?
I am all for being for or against combo, but at least be consistent in your reasoning.