I relent to the above. If you want hard core control, then Vilis will be more splashy if you want your commander to be a win con. Once you get a critical mass of mana, Vilis will come down mid/late and dominate the field with mass draw.
Yawgmoth may be quite a bit more grindy, and you will probably have to add wincons into your deck that are facilitated by Yawg. It will draw many cards, but will need to be facilitated by other cards in the deck more than just "loose life".
Personally Yawg speaks to me much more than giant card drawing Demon. In that instance, Razaketh would likely be the "BEST" MBC commander.
I thrive off synergies, and Yawg has much potential for synergy plays vs goodstuff control.
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Jun 25, 2019I like Yawgmoth better for MBC because of the mana cost and the large list of abilities. He can be cast 3 times from the command zone before matching the cost of Vilis and does very similar things with -1/-1 and draw.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Proliferate is a good second ability to have if you want an infect backup win con, or like using planeswalkers. Easy to ULT any walker after making a single turn cycle, or even on ETB if you have the mana and cards. He may end up drawing less cards overall, but the flexibility and lower cost make him my favorite.
The both require some specific deck building constraints, so it depends on what you would like playing more. I like the token synergies with Yawgmoth, and sacing creatures is what black does best, so there are plenty of cards that support that theme. You do not have to lean too heavily on token production, as just sacing your incidental creatures should keep the fuel coming as long as Yawgmoth is in play.
I will be building a Yawgmoth deck. Just wish I had more mono-black planeswalkers to put in it right now. They are on the wish list.
Jun 20, 2019Lots of excellent comments above. I will mostly reiterate some of the choices I have seen already mentioned.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
False Prophet is an excellent board wipe on a stick, though you may want to pack another sac outlet or two as described above. If the Altar's are too combo-y for you, there is Viscera Seer, Martyr's Cause, and Carrion Feeder.
I also play Saffi Eriksdotter, Reveilark, and Nim Deathmantle, which were already mentioned and I like them very much. Yosei, the Morning Star and Kokusho, the Evening Star are finishers for me that don't require combat damage.
Corpse Augur has been one of my top tutor targets in Karador. Draws at least 3-4 cards, and the best I have done is to draw 17 off my own graveyard to win the game after self-milling with Altar of Dementia.
If you want a huge shot in the arm to your graveyard, Doom Whisperer is showing much promise in my testing.
Necromancy can be cast at instant speed to bring back a surprise blocker, ETB, LTB, or any useful creature in a Flash. But its not a creature :frown:.
Jun 17, 2019Cavalier of Flame is nasty for red/x lands decks. Haste enabler, ETB card quality, LTB damage to opponents and Planeswalkers. This card does so much. Really good card for red. 2RRR casting cost is harsh though.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Wakeroot Elemental, because we needed another thing to make infinite mana with Gaea's Cradle. Now I have to fight the urge to slot it into Titania, Protector of Argoth because infinite mana would be so easy there. Besides that though the rest of the card isn't all that good. Would mainly be a combo piece for mana engines.
Jun 11, 2019I play Tower in Talrand, Sky Summoner draw go, and an never unhappy to see it. I easily get above 7 cards in hand and like to keep options open for permision. Also when I start chaining Time Warps I do not want to be discarding down every time. I want to keep building a critical mass of spells and drakes to win the game. One of the better lands in my deck. Utility slots are at less of a premium in mono-color.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
I also played it in Riku, of Two Reflections, but it did not do much work there. I have both Stroke of Genius and Blue Sun's Zenith for big draw and I want to keep all the cards. It is not very impressive here.
All my other decks do not draw enough cards to warrant the slot. It is a niche lands in draw decks, but has lost much appeal every year more awesome utility lands are released. It is not a bad land, its just not very good most of the time.
Out of my 5 decks, only Talrand really want it. I see examples of other decks that also want it, but those are specialized, not your average control shell.
Jun 10, 2019Abhorrent Overlord may be worth a look, for making tokens.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Pitiless Plunderer makes mana for tokens dying
Pawn of Ulamog value
Ghoulcaller Gisa and Ogre Slumlord token makers
Graveyard Marshal solid 2-drop for making tokens with creatures not worth returning.
Marionette Master, Sengir Autocrat, Sling-Gang Lieutenant, Weaponcraft Enthusiast one shot tokens
Defile and Tragic Slip efficient removal
Looking at all of the cards that pay life for cards, or pay life for creatures, I will be looking of a few life gain cards to offset all my life loss.
Grey Merchant and Kokusho, the Evening Star will be must-haves for me.
Looking at the planeswalker options, on a buget there are not many good choices. There are only about 3 good Liliana walkers in under 4 mana, and two of them are $50+. The rest of the good Lili's are over $10 each. These are on my list of walkers to look for.
Jun 7, 2019PrimevalCommander posted a message on Time to tally up our wishlists for Modern Horizons.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
- Sword of Sinew and Steel
- Sword of Truth and Justice
- Wrenn and Six
- Yawgmoth, Thran Physician
- Force of Negation
- Archmage's Charm
- Generous Gift
- Hall of Heliod's Generosity
- Prismatic Vista
- The First Sliver
- Echo of Eons
- Springbloom Druid
- Goblin Engineer
Daretti, Scrap Savant -- Goblin Engineer
Talrand, Sky Summoner -- Force of Negation, Echo of Eons and Archmage's Charm
Titania, Protector of Argoth -- Prismatic Vista and Springbloom Druid
Commander CUBE -- Both Swords and a Prismatic Vista
Potential New Commander in Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. Has many abilities that I like, and makes some of the black planeswalkers much better with proliferate. Maybe a Mono Black super friends control deck in my future.
Not all of these will have an immediate home, and some that stay expensive I may not get for some time, but this is my wishlist.
I really hope Hall of Heliod's Generosity and Prismatic Vista are attainable in price (under $20). I need a few Vistas.
- Sword of Sinew and Steel
Jun 6, 2019Your deck seems to be based around good-stuff strategy, with no clear synergy or theme to the deck. In my experience goodstuff decks have a tendency to get old faster then themed decks, assuming you enjoy that theme. Also without the cards working together to build a large advantage, your individual cards need to work harder to win you the game.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
I am not up to date on the prices of some of the cards. But here are some additions I would make. It seems you have a light token theme, so we can build on that while swapping some weaker control cards with more flexible options. I apologize in advance if it looks like I am tearing your deck apart. These are some opinions and feel free to use as many, or none, of them you like.
You need to add in at least 5-8 MORE creatures. 20 creatures in a deck like this looks terribly light, especially when your Commander wants other creatures in play to pump. Take a close look at Puppeteer Clique and Woodfall Primus, as persist works well with your Commander.
- Beast Within
- Generous Gift
- Karmic Guide
- Avenger of Zendikar
- Massacre Girl
- Yahenni, Undead Partisan
- Sakura Tribe Elder
- Wood Elves
- Farhaven Elf
- Sylvan Ranger
- Wake the Dead
- Hallowed Burial
- God-Eternal Oketra
- Scavenging Ooze
- Hallowed Spiritkeeper
- Woodfall Primus
- Puppeteer Clique
- Mistcutter Hydra
- Sylvan Caryatid
- Mirran Crusader
- Great Sable Stag
- Siege Rhino
- Oversoul of Dusk
- Arguel's Blood Fast
- Thaumatic Compass
- Thran Dynamo
- Abzan Charm
- Price of Fame
- Identity Crisis
- Sadistic Sacrament
- Wit's End
- Golden Demise
- Zetalpa, Primal Dawn
- Ant Queen
- Corpse Augur
- Temur Sabertooth
- Acidic Slime
- Phyrexian Arena
- Heroic Downfall
- Maelstrome Pulse
- Sepulchural Primordial
- Woodland Bellower
- End-Raze Forerunners
- Nihil Spellbomb
- Momentus Fall
Someone with a Ghave deck will be along to throw out some more token support. I play more reanimation in my GWB deck, and not much token support.
Lastly, I just noticed all of your Pro-Blue, Pro-Black creatures as defense against Etrata, however adding some good instant speed removal should mitigate the amount of hits you take from Etrata. Just make sure you leave removal mana open after Etrata enters the battlefield and threaten a removal if she swings your way. That shoudl make your deck much more versitile than playing mediocre creatures with Pro-Colors. There may be some better options in Hexproof creatures, but I am not sure.
Or add some swords of X & Y with Pro Blue and Pro Black for much greater benefit. Not budget, I know. Sword of Body and Mind seems good for you, and you even want the wolf token; its not horribly expensive. Sword of Truth and Justice and Sword of Sinew and Steel are coming soon. Get that trade binder ready...
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Jun 4, 2019Also Martyr's Cause is a sac outlet I use just to keep infinite combos from happening with the Altar's in my deck.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
The Sac Lands are very good. Only get used once per turn cycle, but can create great value over time if nobody wises up to how effective they are.
Greater Good is an All Star
Viscera Seer is super efficient, but fragile
Carion Feeder also very efficient and can swing as well.
Evolutionary Leap looks good, but I have never tried it.
May 31, 2019We have a small pauper playgroup. The best commanders we have arePosted in: Variant Commander
Ruthless Deathfang Sacrifice control
Scarland Thrinax Token aggro
Ascended Lawmage Voltron
We basically hated out Ascended Lawmage. Scarland Thrinax is my deck and does quite well. We try to stay away from the competitive commanders like Disciple and Crypt Rats.
Alidez, the Cinder Wind was just built by a friend and it is brutal 1v1. No word on how it plays in multiplayer yet.
The deck I have been having a lot of fun with is Gelectrode Spellslinger/Pingers. Ended up being a very fun deck in multiplayer. Its a sleeper deck that traffic controls the board with random damage flying around messing with combat math and such. Really slows a lot of decks down if I can stick 2-3 pinger (Prodigal Sorcerer/Prodigal Pyromancer) on the board. Makes attacking very risky.
May 31, 2019I have two decks that I work to foil out. Its a constant process as new cards are released. My Riku deck was my very first Commander deck to get foiled, and I got very close to a full foil deck, not counting cards never printed in foil. Over the years Riku has performed well and won games, however the deck just doesn't draw me like it used to. The meta has gotten more aggressive and Riku has fallen short. I am contemplating tearing the deck down and building something else, but the many hundreds of dollars spent on foils puts a pit in my stomach to think about dismantling the deck.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
When I first started commander I had Intet, the Dreamer and Teneb, the Harvester. Both of those decks still live on today as Riku and Karador, so taking one of them down leaves me very sentimental to those very first games of commander, back when Weatherseed Treefolk as considered a good commander card, plansewalkers didn't exist, and Tarmagoyf was $5.
Yawgmoth, Thran Physician[/card] is the most intriguing commander I have seen in a while. It has my gears turning.
May 30, 2019I have a soft spot for Vindicate, and I overpaid for the Judge Foil of the art I like, so it will keep its spot in my Karador Deck.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Generous Gift is a very versatile card in white.
Anguished Unmaking is the cream of the crop in my opinion.
After Anguished Unmaking, Vindicate, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Mortify, and Generous Gift, I would move to creature-based removal. Then after that look at Unmake and Hero's Downfall, and Murder
May 30, 2019You can use Stroke of Genius and Blue Sun's Zenith to draw your deck. Then win with Laboratory Maniac.Posted in: Commander (EDH)
Boring, but effective.
For creatures, you can play Sphinx of Magosi or any other creature that requires mana for card draw, and draw your deck from there. Lab Maniac will come in off of Mass Polymorph for the win.
Apr 16, 2019Posted in: Commander (EDH)
These three are all great. I voted Massacre Girl because she will likely kill most of the board, however I currently run Massacre Wurm and love it. We have a few token decks running around and Massacre Wurm does work. Kagemaro is most flexible, but can also backfire if your hand is low and you need to kill something larger. Massacre Wurm has the same problem, but you know what your getting up front.
For non-black, False Prophet is great in a deck with enough sac outlets. Instant Speed exile and you can sacrifice your things before trigger.
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