From what I understand this scenario looks more like like an example of "barning". Where you have people jumping on a bandwagon without giving an solid reasons of their own.
A bandwagon certainly can result in a mislynch (although it`s also likely it that won`t result in a lynch at all), I`m was more reffering to the process of the bandwagon itself rather than the possible lynch resulting from it.
With a bandwagon out there you force people to take a side. You`re either on or off. Ideally this would give scum less wiggle room and force them into a concrete opinion that we can refer back to for the rest of the game.
@Eron, you might have have missed this post when you say I backtracked on that line of thought. Which is weird since it came just 3 posts after the other one you quoted.
Sidenote: the last couple days have been unexpectedly busy. I`m working on getting caught up and being more active in this game again.
The only completed game I've played with Arnnaria had him playing something like this. He was a serial killer though, so I'm not sure it counts. However, I've developed the opinion that he actually does play that way as all alignments.
Unless I misunderstand your meaning, we're nowhere close to a lynch on anyone. You read as overly anxious towards Arnnaria. I'll keep that in mind if either of you gets more scummy.
You are not on the list of players I accept this from (kpaca, Iso, Seppel).
I happen to find him scummy as well, but I still don't like this.
So you're saying it's okay to be scummy early so long as you make up for it later?
I checked it, and it was as I suspected, that game and this are the only ones we've played together. Ah well.
You read as overly worried about an RVS vote to think about it that much. FoS Chickenfish, since I don't want to leave a vote sitting on you while I'm not around.
See you guys all on Tuesday!
@Manders. the bolded section was where it was mentioned about Anarria`s previous play.
Wagon: short for bandwagon, is used to indicate the list of votes that accumulate after a player’s name as they are voted closer and closer to a lynch.Courtesy of Here
IMO, in theory yes people jump wagons to get lynches through on a frequent basis...I believe the general IDEA behind it is "Hey everyone I think Manders is Scum, Vote Manders...because of XYZ reasons" (some of which sound like total baloney I might add) and everyone then jumps on and says hey, you know you are right "jumps on".
It's basically a Mob mentality voting, and twisting others words against them.
From what I understand this scenario looks more like like an example of "barning". Where you have people jumping on a bandwagon without giving an solid reasons of their own.
A bandwagon certainly can result in a mislynch (although it`s also likely it that won`t result in a lynch at all), I`m was more reffering to the process of the bandwagon itself rather than the possible lynch resulting from it.
With a bandwagon out there you force people to take a side. You`re either on or off. Ideally this would give scum less wiggle room and force them into a concrete opinion that we can refer back to for the rest of the game.
Before I go any further I just want to make sure I`m not totally misusing the term "bandwagon". I`m under the impression that a badwagon just refers to a situation where multiple people are expressing suspicion on someone. Isn`t every lynch the result of a bandwagon, regardless of wheather it was a mislynch or not?
Are you serious? Unless I'm missing something this is an insane overreaction, and totally out of character from what you've been doing previously...
While I'm not particularly impressed with Manders' or KCC's conduct, this is just reaching as far as I can see. Unvote
Vote: Gamora
Could we have a vote count please?
I`m probably somewhat biased as my own character is concerned but seeing as my first vote was for someone I thought was trying to hide from discussion and my second was for someone I thought was trying to hinder it, I feel I`ve been pretty consistant so far.
I am not, in any way, "hindering" discussion. In fact, I think at several points I have been attempting to move it along.
I simply stated that I don't like lists this early and have stated multiple reasons for that. If you think they provide so much benefit (considering 2 people STILL haven't posted), why have you not provided one to the group?
I think it`s a bit of a contradiction for you to say that you`re not hindering discussion while also saying that you don`t want people to make lists. The lists are a form of discussion in themselves. Just look at the discussion between us right now. All started because of a couple of lists.
The lists are a valid form of discussion but so far I`ve been preferring more direct arguments with people. If I feel it necessary to make a list then I won`t hesitate to make one.
I don't feel that because someone made bad/not enough reads we should be getting the mob together.
Wow, again with the fear-mongering. What mob? I`ll have to look to make sure but I don`t think anyone even has more than 2 votes. You make it seem like someone could get lynched any second now. If anything, I think a bandwagon could do us some good. It would at least get people to start stating some serious opinions and taking stances. I really don`t like how you seem to be trying to hinder the conversation.
We will have to see. If arnarria just banwagons/lurks then then this quote, will be a big scum tell. If not then I agree null tell.
I would also like for you to explain this more. If I`m reading this right it seems like you`re implying that Arnarria and I are attached at the hip now. Like if he`s scum then so am I. It seems like a pretty big leap to make.
We have had 2 people by my count offer a list so far. Both were certainly lacking in detail. We are not far enough in to have sound judgement IMHO.
Newer players (myself included) could be swayed by a scum list with a somewhat vague reasoning.
Let's not start any riots here.
I don`t get what the panic over lists is about. It just seems like another way to promote discussion. Sure a list could have vague reasoning, so could any other type of post. I don`t think we should be limiting our means of discussion when it`s our best weapon for catching scum.
So how does everyone feel about the fact that we have at least two players who have said nothing besides their orginal /confirmation post? Miracule being one. I'm on my phone so flipping to pull the names is a little difficult ATM.
I`m don`t recall any of the people with just one post(Zenjo, Miracule, and Gigas1) mentioning any v/la. If they are actually available it would be nice to
get their opinions on what`s gone on so far.
I agree with this, with the exception being, Gamora backed down extremely quick with little pushback from anyone.
I'd like to hear more about his change of heart.
Sure thing. After rereading post 65 by Arnarria in the context of the conversation and considering the fact that it had been pointed by other people that fence-sitting isn`t that uncommon for him it started to look like my argument was a little convaluted(I was trying to argue that by mentioning that he has hard time taking a stance he might be just trying to set up a cover to sit back and not take a side on anyone in this game). It became more apparent to me that the simplest answer was that he just made a standard comment about his previous play.
This, by no means, eliminates him as possible scum in my mind but it now comes off more as a null tell.
After giving it another look it does seem like maybe I was over-thinking that post a bit. It does look more like Arnarria was just making a comment about his previous play as opposed to trying to set up a cover for him to lay low.
I`ll Unvote for now.
On a side note, I would just like to say that I`m really happy that I finally decided to play this game. This is good times so far.
It`s looking like I`m going to have a tough time getting anyone on board with my Arnarria case. I`ll read through once more and see if I can word my argument a little more clearly. I don`t feel like I`ve quite stated it as welll as I could. If it`s still not doing anything for anyone else I might have to just move on.
I`ll admit that I`m having a tough time getting a read from this Chickenfish-KCC conversation. Chickenfish seems a bit over-deffensive but that isn`t neccasarily scummy. I would also have preferred if KCC just came out and said what she thought was scummy about him.
As it is, I`m still fine with keeping my vote on Arnnaria. Even with other people confirming that that`s just how he plays, the way he preemptively brought it up is what rubbed me the wrong way.
@Eron, you might have have missed this post when you say I backtracked on that line of thought. Which is weird since it came just 3 posts after the other one you quoted.
Sidenote: the last couple days have been unexpectedly busy. I`m working on getting caught up and being more active in this game again.
@Manders. the bolded section was where it was mentioned about Anarria`s previous play.
From what I understand this scenario looks more like like an example of "barning". Where you have people jumping on a bandwagon without giving an solid reasons of their own.
A bandwagon certainly can result in a mislynch (although it`s also likely it that won`t result in a lynch at all), I`m was more reffering to the process of the bandwagon itself rather than the possible lynch resulting from it.
With a bandwagon out there you force people to take a side. You`re either on or off. Ideally this would give scum less wiggle room and force them into a concrete opinion that we can refer back to for the rest of the game.
I`m probably somewhat biased as my own character is concerned but seeing as my first vote was for someone I thought was trying to hide from discussion and my second was for someone I thought was trying to hinder it, I feel I`ve been pretty consistant so far.
I think it`s a bit of a contradiction for you to say that you`re not hindering discussion while also saying that you don`t want people to make lists. The lists are a form of discussion in themselves. Just look at the discussion between us right now. All started because of a couple of lists.
The lists are a valid form of discussion but so far I`ve been preferring more direct arguments with people. If I feel it necessary to make a list then I won`t hesitate to make one.
Wow, again with the fear-mongering. What mob? I`ll have to look to make sure but I don`t think anyone even has more than 2 votes. You make it seem like someone could get lynched any second now. If anything, I think a bandwagon could do us some good. It would at least get people to start stating some serious opinions and taking stances. I really don`t like how you seem to be trying to hinder the conversation.
Vote EronTheRelentless
I would also like for you to explain this more. If I`m reading this right it seems like you`re implying that Arnarria and I are attached at the hip now. Like if he`s scum then so am I. It seems like a pretty big leap to make.
I don`t get what the panic over lists is about. It just seems like another way to promote discussion. Sure a list could have vague reasoning, so could any other type of post. I don`t think we should be limiting our means of discussion when it`s our best weapon for catching scum.
I`m don`t recall any of the people with just one post(Zenjo, Miracule, and Gigas1) mentioning any v/la. If they are actually available it would be nice to
get their opinions on what`s gone on so far.
Sure thing. After rereading post 65 by Arnarria in the context of the conversation and considering the fact that it had been pointed by other people that fence-sitting isn`t that uncommon for him it started to look like my argument was a little convaluted(I was trying to argue that by mentioning that he has hard time taking a stance he might be just trying to set up a cover to sit back and not take a side on anyone in this game). It became more apparent to me that the simplest answer was that he just made a standard comment about his previous play.
This, by no means, eliminates him as possible scum in my mind but it now comes off more as a null tell.
I`ll Unvote for now.
On a side note, I would just like to say that I`m really happy that I finally decided to play this game. This is good times so far.
As it is, I`m still fine with keeping my vote on Arnnaria. Even with other people confirming that that`s just how he plays, the way he preemptively brought it up is what rubbed me the wrong way.