If Iso is town:
The scumteam probably didn't plan on hawk claiming Iso's role beforehand. Hawk probably just decided that since he was being lynched anyways he should tell his buddies that Iso is the cop.
If Iso is scum:
Then it is a gambit to make Iso confirmed town.
Understanding what Iso claimed is not the same thing as believing that claim. And besides he isn't confirmed scum, so anything he does say could be useful.
If Iso had claimed a scum investigation result on pikachu D3, what would you have done?
I would have kept pressing him for why he said his ability was a waste if he claimed to have caught scum.
You actually made a big deal about people fishing for your role info after you had already claimed limited cop. You didn't say that you were a 1-shot until toDay.
I bet it will come as a shock for you... but the Mafia usually have this neat thing called Nighttalk, where they can, you know, privately tell each other about their opinions, findings and plan moves for the following Day.
I'll bet it will come as a shock for you....but results are given at the end of Night.
And hawk was dead before the next night came.
So again I ask: What do you know about the mafia's communication abilities that we don't?
Hawk posted his "results" IN. THE. THREAD. Any half-brained scumbuddy would deduce that what he had claimed to be was actually Iso's role.
Scum chat N0:
Hawk: "Hey guys, I have this neat skill that gives me the name and role of whoever I target with it."
Buddies: "Cool!"
Scum chat N1:
Hawk: "Hey guys, who should I target toNight with my skill?"
Buddies: "Iso."
Hawk: "Ok, done it."
Scum chat N2:
Buddies: "Well, hawk managed to tell us that Iso's the cop then. But screw it, let's allow him to live. It's not as if cops are a threat to us anyway"
Too convenient to be true.
What you're forgetting is that we still had a Doc alive at the time, and that pg claimed to have copied the NK to kpaca that Night. Therefore, it's entirely possible that Cantrip protected me.
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The problem is that this still doesn't make you confirmed town. If PG is your scumbuddy this could still be a gambit. The doc died before the chance to confirm that he targeted you, and PG lying about his role would allow you to keep your I was protected by the doc story and also allow you two to still have a NK.
Hawk posted his "results" IN. THE. THREAD. Any half-brained scumbuddy would deduce that what he had claimed to be was actually Iso's role.
Scum chat N0:
Hawk: "Hey guys, I have this neat skill that gives me the name and role of whoever I target with it."
Buddies: "Cool!"
Scum chat N1:
Hawk: "Hey guys, who should I target toNight with my skill?"
Buddies: "Iso."
Hawk: "Ok, done it."
Scum chat N2:
Buddies: "Well, hawk managed to tell us that Iso's the cop then. But screw it, let's allow him to live. It's not as if cops are a threat to us anyway"
Too convenient to be true.
That's WIFOM.
And not to mention it makes no sense. If the chosen method of communication was that hawk claims Iso's role, it's completely ridiculous if Iso weren't an investigative role.
If Iso is town:
The scumteam probably didn't plan on hawk claiming Iso's role beforehand. Hawk probably just decided that since he was being lynched anyways he should tell his buddies that Iso is the cop.
If Iso is scum:
Then it is a gambit to make Iso confirmed town.
I see a line of questioning in 300 & 307, but how/when did you go from that to "I think Iso is scum"?
It was the way he started acting before I voted him. (somewhere around post 333)
My gut was telling me he was scum because of the way he was posting, and these two things.
In post 333 he uses a bad argument to defend himself.
In post 335 he votes DV because DV answered a question that wasn't directed at him.
Understanding what Iso claimed is not the same thing as believing that claim. And besides he isn't confirmed scum, so anything he does say could be useful.
Also, I find it extremely hard to believe you were actually trying to scumhunt given you somehow didn't read a sizable amount of the game through two rereads.
Are you really thinking that I meant read the physical words/letters???
I knew you had to think you had proof that PG was scum that was unrelated to you ability. Otherwise why would you have said it was a waste. (the whole point to my question was asking what this proof was)
From what you said earlier I assume the proof was that he claimed your role.
The second part is where I got my thoughts mixed up. I was thinking that Iso was saying he used his ablility on PG. But it was a waste somehow. So while I was thinking of how it could have been a waste I mixed up my thoughts and came up with pg being the one who claimed Iso's role. (had it in my head that Iso used his ability on the person who claimed his role. because that would have explained the waste part.)
I really wish Iso didn't put the "vote: pg NO BRAKES" part right after saying his ability was a waste. It would have saved a lot of confusion.
The formatting was because (IIRC) I wanted to trip scumAG up and to get a feel for overall balance with townAG. Neither was particularly effective and it gave some people an extra (poor) reason to jump on. Not my finest moment.
What?....."IIRC"......your not positive on the reasons you said someomes claim is "full of ****"?
Also, I revisited the Idea of kpaca having an info ability and found these three posts right before day 2 ends. I am toying with the idea that since he is a time traveller, his ability works one day before and it is an info gathering ability. Like if he used it night 2, he would get info/results from night 1.
And as far as I know I have found one scum, hoping for two, and working toward a third.
Ill accept blame for whiffing on atheist god so we'll say I'm at 50% now.
This quote also makes sense that his ability is only useable from night 2 onward. 7hawk is clearly the found scum. Hoping for two is probably him using his ability on pg night 2 because he thinks pg is scum. And working on a third is probably normal scumhunting or night 3 results if there is a mislynch day 2.
I need to figure out a good way to take notes...I got through day 2 and it didn't go so well. I am resorting to reading one person at a time. I will read D_V tomorrow and see what I think of him. Right now I'm pretty sure that kosakosa and TMCT are town. Toying with the idea of an Iso cop gambit, but want to see what I think of everyone else before going that route. If you guys are willing to wait for me, can someone unvote?
Then what about Day 2? You obviously did two rereads, as is made evident by the DV 'case' and the Iso 'case'. You're expecting me to believe that you saw none of that?
And don't even bother trying to say that your DV case was made without a full reread - it goes to the end of Day 1. (Which also makes your line that it was done without a full reread look even worse.)
If I saw everything the moment it was posted I wouldn't have to do rereads...Also, I would call what I'm doing now more than a simple reread. I only made it through day 1 so far. Tomorrow I will get through the rest.
And let me guess, you have no excuse for why you posted none of this on Day 1, where you clearly read it (as was made evident by your "it's not a cipher" post).
The majority of the stuff I posted today I didn't see day one. Mafia takes up a lot of time, which is something I don't have every day.
Yes.
I would have kept pressing him for why he said his ability was a waste if he claimed to have caught scum.
You actually made a big deal about people fishing for your role info after you had already claimed limited cop. You didn't say that you were a 1-shot until toDay.
What you're forgetting is that we still had a Doc alive at the time, and that pg claimed to have copied the NK to kpaca that Night. Therefore, it's entirely possible that Cantrip protected me.
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The problem is that this still doesn't make you confirmed town. If PG is your scumbuddy this could still be a gambit. The doc died before the chance to confirm that he targeted you, and PG lying about his role would allow you to keep your I was protected by the doc story and also allow you two to still have a NK.
If Iso is town:
The scumteam probably didn't plan on hawk claiming Iso's role beforehand. Hawk probably just decided that since he was being lynched anyways he should tell his buddies that Iso is the cop.
If Iso is scum:
Then it is a gambit to make Iso confirmed town.
DV - Vanilla
Guard - choice of two roles each day
AG - Vig
Kpaca - time Traveller
Cantrip - Doctor
Scum:
7hawk77 - Roflcopter
claimed:
Iso - 1-shot cop
cyouni - Vanilla
Zenjo - Vanilla
PG - Copycat
Kosakosa - (refused to say, except that it's an anytime ability)
TMCT - redirector
I wish I knew more about game balance....
It was the way he started acting before I voted him. (somewhere around post 333)
My gut was telling me he was scum because of the way he was posting, and these two things.
In post 333 he uses a bad argument to defend himself.
In post 335 he votes DV because DV answered a question that wasn't directed at him.
It wasn't to smear Cyouni, it was a simple question because I didn't see his logic.
I didn't point it out when it happened because AtheistGod beat me to it.
What kind of logic are you using? Specifically point out this contradiction you see.
Does it help if I tell you that by 'see everything' I am not talking about the letters/words but scumtells/towntells/motives/etc.
Are you really thinking that I meant read the physical words/letters???
The second part is where I got my thoughts mixed up. I was thinking that Iso was saying he used his ablility on PG. But it was a waste somehow. So while I was thinking of how it could have been a waste I mixed up my thoughts and came up with pg being the one who claimed Iso's role. (had it in my head that Iso used his ability on the person who claimed his role. because that would have explained the waste part.)
I really wish Iso didn't put the "vote: pg NO BRAKES" part right after saying his ability was a waste. It would have saved a lot of confusion.
307 & 300
I point out that Iso is using flavor and 'formatting' to attack AtheistGod.
Speaking of Iso, I found a couple more things that bug me.
Isn't this a scum mindset? Townies shouldn't be looking for the easiest to lynch on a scum list, but the most scummy.
What?....."IIRC"......your not positive on the reasons you said someomes claim is "full of ****"?
Also, I revisited the Idea of kpaca having an info ability and found these three posts right before day 2 ends. I am toying with the idea that since he is a time traveller, his ability works one day before and it is an info gathering ability. Like if he used it night 2, he would get info/results from night 1.
Here he might have said this because his 'reconsider' is dependant on what his ability tells him night 2.
Here he might be breadcrumbing his ability.
This quote also makes sense that his ability is only useable from night 2 onward. 7hawk is clearly the found scum. Hoping for two is probably him using his ability on pg night 2 because he thinks pg is scum. And working on a third is probably normal scumhunting or night 3 results if there is a mislynch day 2.
I need to figure out a good way to take notes...I got through day 2 and it didn't go so well. I am resorting to reading one person at a time. I will read D_V tomorrow and see what I think of him. Right now I'm pretty sure that kosakosa and TMCT are town. Toying with the idea of an Iso cop gambit, but want to see what I think of everyone else before going that route. If you guys are willing to wait for me, can someone unvote?
I don't see everything every time I do a reread. You were saying you didn't believe that I didn't see all of this stuff earlier.
Because that's what I saw......what in the world are you talking about?
If I saw everything the moment it was posted I wouldn't have to do rereads...Also, I would call what I'm doing now more than a simple reread. I only made it through day 1 so far. Tomorrow I will get through the rest.
The majority of the stuff I posted today I didn't see day one. Mafia takes up a lot of time, which is something I don't have every day.