@Rhand & AG: When they both refer to 'the gambit post', I'm not entirely sure they're referring to the same gambit post. I'm pretty sure Misting is talking about the 'Iso is a cop' post, but what FO is talking about seems to be something different? I'm not quite sure whether this is true or if their banter is just confusing me.
@IB: You thought I was scum in KoTH Mafia too, but I was town... Is my game play here any different from there? I'm sure there's less flailing, but yeah. Care to build a case on me? Or is naked voting how you roll?
Aren't you the one who was railing against meta? I have no clue how your play here is different (yet), but your actions are more important than meta. Especially when you only have one game to compare to. I don't care to build a case on you yet because I'd rather unvote; vote Tom. You're less experienced and I'm bad at reading noobs.
What exactly is the case on me? The votes on me right now are for various minor things that I pretty much do every game I'm in. Wessel's PBPA didn't make much of a case either from what I could tell.
I'm certainly not a fan of Rhand's little hop on the bandwagon there.
I am voting you because of your constant very weak reasonings.
You voted FO because of ":thumbsdown:" and then unvoted again, both times not bothering to give a reasoning.
When asked about it, you still give no reasoning.
Apparently you needed the pressure of a vote to finally come up with a motivation.
That's how I like to play.
Anyway, I believe I answered your question, so what is your reasoning for voting me currently?
Because your answer looks like you went searching for a reason to unvote FO after I asked you a second time and found nothing better than a wiki page.
These are my views on the 6 people that were on the KK wagon when it was at l-1 the first time.
PSR: At the time it happened, my biggest scumreads were you, Tezz and Mao. If one of the 3 that I'm seeing as scumteam now flips town, you are my next suspect. I'm still convinced we should've used our D1 lynch to confirm your claim.
JD: he's been very investigative throughout the game, focussing on multiple people. I have a hard time seeing him as scum.
Allwin: has been very absent, but when he came back and read what was happening at the time, he switched his vote from KK (post #352), who was still at l-1 and thus the still the easy target, to PSR. His post felt very honest.
Maokun: I don't think I need to elaborate more on this one. He's been my top suspect for quite a while now, and he still is.
Tezz: his agressive postings, weak barns and complete lack of interaction with my prime suspect make him very suspect. Especially now KK flipped town and seeing what he wrote in post #355 for example, I am quite convinced.
TMCT: I very strongly dislike TMCT's post #358. He says he doesn't mind lynching KK even if he turns out town. I can't agree with that. He also says he doesn't want more than 1 claim on day one and yet when KK comes into hammer range again and TMCT gets the chance to throw the hammer, he doesn't and keeps his vote on me. I read that as him being scum that doesn't want to be the hammer and contradicts himself by not doing so.
The fact that Maokun, Tezz and TMCT don't question each other ties it all together and brings TMCT to place #3 in my scumspects instead of Wessel.
TMCT questions everyone who types something odd, but he never does so when Tezz is posting overly agressive.
Shifting PlanesUR
Sorcery
Exile target planeswalker you don't control and put 3 time counters on it (At the beginning of its owners upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last time counter is removed, its owner plays the card without paying its casting cost.)
Overload 3UR
I choose Nicol Bolas's side and cast my overloaded spell on Jace and Chandra (assuming that the potion gives me enough mana )
To be honest I'm feeling quite stupid right now. Even during twilight, after the lynch and KK's last post I was positive he was scum. And I was feeling so happy about myself! (quick aside: after playing werewolf a lot, I had come to dread being town as it seemed super boring: just try to get lucky with wild guesses before you were mislynched for the most ridiculous reasons or just NK'ed. But in this game I've actually found that the role of a town is being a sleuth and I've been enjoying it.)
This part of your post is full of 'look at me, I'm a townie!'
I bolded the words you used to enhance the feeling you want us to have when reading your post.
But yeah, I guess KK's flip is a lesson in humility and a warning that things may not necessarily be what they appear. At least there was no NK (how come?)
@EtR: I made one post saying that even if KK flipped town I'd still consider you scummy. I didn't elaborate on it or mentioned it again, precisely because I didn't believe at all that would be the case, but I guess now I can explain myself.
The thing that bothered me the most about that long PBP defending KK is that it betrayed that you had pre-established your opinion of him which suggested that you knew his role (i.e. you are scum,) as I've mentioned several times. However, since I was so convinced that KK was scum himself, I just thought that you were trying to protect your scumbuddy. However, after some more deflection from KK's case (you accuse me of swerving everything into KK, but you are guilty of constantly deflecting from it) I realized that KK didn't need to be scum for your position on him to be scummy too. If I ever so briefly considered the possibility of KK not being scum, it wasn't for anything pro-town he did but simply because this realization.
Now that KK flipped town, it became even more evident to me: You joined at a point where KK was just about to be lynched and presented this long defence of him, so ridden with holes and weak logic that it didn't really help KK's case at all, but strongly suggested that you two were buddies. Now I'm wondering if it wasn't a clever gambit, expecting KK to be lynched anyway "in spite of your efforts" and once he flipped town, you'd be showered in town points and given trust credit to pursue the next day's mislynch: PSR (now wessel.) It would explain also why you decided to jump onto my wagon once PSR's lost steam: if KK would still be lynched and proved town, I'd become prime suspect and the easy mislynch for the next day.
I wont cast my vote yet because KK's fiasco has taught me not to be so cocksure of my deductions, but my FoS is firmly pointed at you. I also cannot help to notice a lack of interaction with or interest on my second chief suspect, Rhand, even when he's been the centre of attention a few times.
I have a question for you, though: You talk about my tunneling on KK as one of the chief components of your suspicions of me. What is your opinion about the other people that also tunneled on him? You seemed quite sure of KK's townness in spite of behaviour that warranted the suspicions of several different players. Were those players also twisting KK's words to make a case as you accuse me?
I'll go with the color codes again.
Red: No scum would ever try to protect a scumbuddy that obviously when he already has so much heat. If the scumbuddy then flips, the town auto-wins.
Orange: Guilty? isn't that a bit of a strong word? Mind that KK did flip town, so EtR's deflection was not wrong. Where's the guilt in that?
Green: You accuse EtR of being sure that KK was town, yet now you are stating that PSR/Wessel is town. It's your whole case on EtR, so I assume you just admitted that the case against you is valid?
Blue: I write an analysis of your non-existing reactions with TMCT / Tezz and now you use the same evidence against me and EtR. Again, admitting that the case against you is valid?
Kankennon: I had my vote on Maokun. I switched to Wessel because there was hardly any support for a mao lynch and because I wanted to avoid more claiming on day 1. Wessel is not my top suspect anymore, but I still find that we should have confirmed his claim over a kk lynch.
Tmct: I made that statement because we didn't lynch him to confirm his claim. We're down one townie now and not sure about wessel.
Kcc: what makes you sure scum wouldn't hammer kk and end day one very early? At that time, it would have caused a start of day 2 with all eyes on psr, who is also town in your analysis. My conclusion was that all scums probably already were on that wagon.
What exactly is the case on me? The votes on me right now are for various minor things that I pretty much do every game I'm in. Wessel's PBPA didn't make much of a case either from what I could tell.
I'm certainly not a fan of Rhand's little hop on the bandwagon there.
I am voting you because of your constant very weak reasonings.
You voted FO because of ":thumbsdown:" and then unvoted again, both times not bothering to give a reasoning.
When asked about it, you still give no reasoning.
Apparently you needed the pressure of a vote to finally come up with a motivation.
I'm feeling lucky.
I like Andrew Christian and am very much looking forward to how you'll incorporate that in my avatar and sig without breaking the forum rules.
@Rhand & AG: When they both refer to 'the gambit post', I'm not entirely sure they're referring to the same gambit post. I'm pretty sure Misting is talking about the 'Iso is a cop' post, but what FO is talking about seems to be something different? I'm not quite sure whether this is true or if their banter is just confusing me.
There isn't another gambit post, is there?
I'm going to read their whole conversation again to see if I can grasp what you mean.
Heh, I didn't notice how weak his scumhunts actually were.
The vote on Forgotten One could well be meant as something he can point to when Forgotten One flips scum.
@Tom: do you have any reason to vote Forgotten One and then unvote him again?
@Wessel: Your analysis sounds like a definite view. There isn't any questioning of Tom, it's all statements. Are you convinced he's scum?
You naked might make me warm
Your only posts were:
I would like to see some reasoning for your vote.
Because your answer looks like you went searching for a reason to unvote FO after I asked you a second time and found nothing better than a wiki page.
PSR: At the time it happened, my biggest scumreads were you, Tezz and Mao. If one of the 3 that I'm seeing as scumteam now flips town, you are my next suspect. I'm still convinced we should've used our D1 lynch to confirm your claim.
JD: he's been very investigative throughout the game, focussing on multiple people. I have a hard time seeing him as scum.
Allwin: has been very absent, but when he came back and read what was happening at the time, he switched his vote from KK (post #352), who was still at l-1 and thus the still the easy target, to PSR. His post felt very honest.
Maokun: I don't think I need to elaborate more on this one. He's been my top suspect for quite a while now, and he still is.
Tezz: his agressive postings, weak barns and complete lack of interaction with my prime suspect make him very suspect. Especially now KK flipped town and seeing what he wrote in post #355 for example, I am quite convinced.
TMCT: I very strongly dislike TMCT's post #358. He says he doesn't mind lynching KK even if he turns out town. I can't agree with that. He also says he doesn't want more than 1 claim on day one and yet when KK comes into hammer range again and TMCT gets the chance to throw the hammer, he doesn't and keeps his vote on me. I read that as him being scum that doesn't want to be the hammer and contradicts himself by not doing so.
The fact that Maokun, Tezz and TMCT don't question each other ties it all together and brings TMCT to place #3 in my scumspects instead of Wessel.
TMCT questions everyone who types something odd, but he never does so when Tezz is posting overly agressive.
I'll try to get a full read done today, tomorrow the latest.
Can I get a votecount?
i'll drink the green potion.
Shifting Planes UR
Sorcery
Exile target planeswalker you don't control and put 3 time counters on it (At the beginning of its owners upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last time counter is removed, its owner plays the card without paying its casting cost.)
Overload 3UR
I choose Nicol Bolas's side and cast my overloaded spell on Jace and Chandra (assuming that the potion gives me enough mana
This part of your post is full of 'look at me, I'm a townie!'
I bolded the words you used to enhance the feeling you want us to have when reading your post.
Fishing for roles
I'll go with the color codes again.
Red: No scum would ever try to protect a scumbuddy that obviously when he already has so much heat. If the scumbuddy then flips, the town auto-wins.
Orange: Guilty? isn't that a bit of a strong word? Mind that KK did flip town, so EtR's deflection was not wrong. Where's the guilt in that?
Green: You accuse EtR of being sure that KK was town, yet now you are stating that PSR/Wessel is town. It's your whole case on EtR, so I assume you just admitted that the case against you is valid?
Blue: I write an analysis of your non-existing reactions with TMCT / Tezz and now you use the same evidence against me and EtR. Again, admitting that the case against you is valid?
Tmct: I made that statement because we didn't lynch him to confirm his claim. We're down one townie now and not sure about wessel.
Kcc: what makes you sure scum wouldn't hammer kk and end day one very early? At that time, it would have caused a start of day 2 with all eyes on psr, who is also town in your analysis. My conclusion was that all scums probably already were on that wagon.
I am still convinced of what I wrote before the night fell.
I am voting you because of your constant very weak reasonings.
You voted FO because of ":thumbsdown:" and then unvoted again, both times not bothering to give a reasoning.
When asked about it, you still give no reasoning.
Apparently you needed the pressure of a vote to finally come up with a motivation.
I like Andrew Christian and am very much looking forward to how you'll incorporate that in my avatar and sig without breaking the forum rules.
Instant
Exile target planeswalker, then return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control.
There isn't another gambit post, is there?
I'm going to read their whole conversation again to see if I can grasp what you mean.
This is an extremely weak answer. Why did you vote him in the first place?
What post is it that convinced you he's town? Why?
vote: Tom
The vote on Forgotten One could well be meant as something he can point to when Forgotten One flips scum.
@Tom: do you have any reason to vote Forgotten One and then unvote him again?
@Wessel: Your analysis sounds like a definite view. There isn't any questioning of Tom, it's all statements. Are you convinced he's scum?
You naked might make me warm
I hope you plan on giving some reasoning here?
Naked name-drops don't make me warm