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  • posted a message on WATCHMEN WANTED - GAME OVER: THIRTY-FIVE MINUTES AGO
    Tom... really? You’ve hosted so many micro’s and now you come in with a lylo vote? Sad and hilarious at the same time Smile

    I’m pretty proud at my early reads and should have stuck with them.
    Great job @KCC of shading me to the point it became my lynch.
    And bad, bad town for deadline lynching me when I for once really spewed town.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    also the "correct" thing for KCC to do here if she want to be super transparent is fully claim her role, but I am not going to make her full claim if she doesnt want, I dont live in this world where breadcrumbs and softs always come from wolves like my brother seems to believe

    I'd rather just focus on her content, and I don't believe that Axel is any more scummy for wanting to dig more into KCC and her claim
    I dont know at this point of Rhand is trying to inflate the how scummy he thinks Axel's question is, is malicious, or just how he sees it

    It's pretty obvious that the bolded is not what she wants though?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Your criticism would be valid if my posts made up the majority of the game thread, but they don’t.

    Also, I could totally get lucky and solve the game now. Pushing that world is a different matter entirely. dot dot dot
    Nah you definitely talk to much, its a little better this game so far though

    and that's the funny thing, if u did solve the game right now, it would just be luck since you would never have enough tangible evidence to prove you are right

    What are you trying to achieve with this conversation?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Correct. Vezok just threw LW as a question mark into a list with some other reads (of which only 1 is a real read) unprompted.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    These are all tom’s relevant posts:
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Was going to vote LW if he claimed anything in his first post. EEK!

    Since he didn't we're moving on to this:

    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    vote slothful -too lazy to come up with a reason right now though

    Also, heads up for whenever I claim, my role is super scummy.

    Vote: KCC

    Might as well get it over with.
    I spy with my little eye
    A girlie I can get 'cause she don't get too many likes
    A curly-headed cutie I can turn into my wife
    Wait, that means foreverever, hold up, never mind


    vote axel

    He sees Axel going for KCC who is an easy mislynch and votes him for it.

    Quote from tomsloger »
    pretend this spoiler has all of sloths posts where he *didnt* leave the thread. i dont feel like quoting.
    Just to get to see an MC who breathes so freely
    Ease over these beats and be so breezy
    Turn on these beats, MC's don't see me
    Believe me, BET and MTV
    Are gonna grieve when we leave, dawg, fo' sheezy
    Can't leave rap alone, the game needs me


    sloth town

    He says Sloth is carefree and feels real guilt for not being able to play as much as he wants.

    Quote from tomsloger »
    I ain't frowned since '06, I ain't cried since '01
    My pad like Six Flags and your house is no fun


    Nacho town

    This one I don’t completely get, but I agree with his Nacho read so Shrugs

    Quote from tomsloger »
    Trust me, he is just the worst at board games
    Debates about the rules like legislators at a court case
    Tampers with the scales of justice
    Wielding pencils as his gavel
    Once I even caught him cheating while he kept the score in Scrabble
    He's a ******* wreck at checkers
    Plays Monopoly sloppily
    Always bringing up disputes in games of trivial pursuit
    Sucks at Battleship and Risk
    He fights better hand-to-hand
    And don't even get me started bout how trash he is at Candy Land
    Like you can't... be bad at that that game yet... he loses all the time. It doesn't make any sense.


    Last town

    Last is misguided and flails a lot but he’s not trying to abuse the mechanics to win (which would be scum!last)

    Quote from tomsloger »
    The beat breaks and your teeth break
    Keep your canines embedded in my knuckles as a keepsake
    It would seem your veneers just mere souvenirs
    Falling out your mouth and on to the landscape

    vote fonti

    Your attacks don’t have punch to them.

    Quote from tomsloger »
    Sometimes I let my ego get the best of me
    Sometimes I wonder why my stress is stressing me
    Sometimes I lay awake and I can't go to sleep
    This is my introduction to anxiety
    Sometimes I need someone to take control of me
    Sometimes I let my demons get ahold me
    Sometimes I think that ***** ain't what it used to be
    This is my introduction to anxiety

    Nacho town

    I love the thought of being with you
    Or maybe it's the thought of not being so alone
    Man, ****, I really love being in love
    But I also really love not crying on the phone

    Silver town

    Solving puzzles of the universe from jupiter to mars
    Playing scientists to try and say we flew there in our cars
    Like, "maybe it's not all bad, this scenic view's bizarre"
    Watching hydrocarbon neptune snow dissolving from the stars
    I never thought I'd say this, but frankly it's been peaceful
    To escape from that distasteful state of hate, deceit, and evil

    gemma town

    Nacho is longing for understanding
    Silver is emotional, which probably is his town!meta according to tom
    Gemma is genuinely trying to solve the game

    @tom: If I misinterpret anything, please correct me. But I'm pretty sure this is what he's saying.

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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from fulcrum »
    Hey Rhand, how do you know you're not just seeing what you want to see in Tom's posts?

    Because i actually understand most of his views and because he's throwing out tons of reads.
    What is your read on him?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    About KCC: maybe I phrased it wrong. It should’ve been “a” townie thing to do instead of “the” townie thing to do. Not claiming anything is also townie.
    It takes a certain personality type to prepare your claim as mafia on D1. LW, shadow, tom are some people here that I could see doing that. I haven’t seen KCC’s scum game for a long time, but I do know she plays the persons game over the mechanics game. She wouldn’t play the mechanics from D1 as either alignment. Which is exactly what preparing a claim is.
    Most scum fakeclaim. They don’t go around preparing us for their scummy role D1.

    KCC does tend to get ran up and she knows it. So her thinking about what would happen if she does and her having to claim that role then is perfectly normal.

    Was there an answer KCC could’ve given you that would have triggered you to remove your vote?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    @Vezok: I am seeing one difference between that game and this one that gives me a bit of pause. I’m not going to tell you what though, I need to see more from you here first.


    @Axel: how is “tom is tom” a red flag?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Mkay I’m gonna iso you in our last game.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Dang my wall became even longer than intended.
    Do read it please Pweeeeease?
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Wall incoming, but I think there’s enough info now to provide an early reads post.

    Silver:
    He’s having fun in RVS and his reaction to Shadow in #14 feels pure. I would be very surprised if that comes from scum!Silver because I don’t expect him to think about a post like that as scum and craft an answer when it’s totally not necessary.
    His mixed feelings from Nacho pushing him are normal.
    His vote on me seems to come out of nowhere, but when he explains it, he’s voting me for what town always mislynch me for when I get mislynched: my posts feel weird.
    Verdict: town

    Lastwhisper:
    He starts his own sidegame instead of playing the game at first, and then calls Nacho wolfy for his reaction to KCC, which I think was a very pure reaction. Nacho gets more flak for that though; too much to all come from scum.
    He doesn’t like tom’s gimmick, but his reaction to it is better than Axelrod’s: he merely says he’s not a fan of the gimmick and that tom doesn’t give him town vibes. Ergo, he’s not calling the gimmick itself scummy, which is good.
    His response to Vaimes where he uses the word “probably” talking about his tells not being AI bugs me bigtime. It looks like he jokingly wants to get rid of Vaimes’ push.
    His reads in #163 don’t look like real reads. He doesn’t give a real read on both Vaimes and Silver and waffles on Nacho. The only thing there is a townread on KJ.
    A lot of scum!pings there, but his later posts are suddenly way better. I like how he questions Silver’s Rhand vote and how he starts real worldbuilding and pressuring Vezok.
    Verdict: lean town (if he’s scum he won’t keep up his new posting)

    Shadow:
    Not enough posts for a read. Null.
    I can read him very well though if he actually posts.

    Vaimes:
    He is in jokey spam-mode, which is a good sign. He knows his own meta though, and I’ve seen him make a whole town believe he’s town before.
    There are a few things that trouble me: He voted Nacho, who was low hanging fruit at that point. He claims the existence of a neutral. And the things he’s accusing LW of are dependent of the alignment of the ones LW is interacting with.
    I do like that he goes from Nacho to Axel now.
    Verdict: Not sure. I’m going to classify him as null for now and will see where he goes with his Axel vote.
    @Vaimes: talk more about Axel please. And what is your LW read right now?

    KCC:
    Claiming a scummy role from the get-go is the townie thing to do. Scum doesn’t like locking themselves into a claim from the start. I know a few players that do things like that, but KCC doesn’t strike me as one of those, unless she is consciously changing up her game. Which is totally unnecessary because she hasn’t played that many games recently that we all know her meta.
    I like her Nacho reaction and have a total mindmeld with her question to Vaimes in #200
    Verdict: town

    Vezok:
    Again a Nacho voter. The fact that she says he agrees with Vaimes on Nacho probably means that she isn’t scum with Vaimes. Saying later on that Nacho is scum because her posts don’t make sense points to a scummy mindset: not making sense is not a scumtell but something scum looks for when trying to get town lynched (I know that all too well). Also not a fan of the randomness of people she gives reads on.
    Her vote on Mind is weak and using omgus as extra confidence is again a scummy mindset: omgus in itself is never a tell but often used by scum during fake hunting.
    There’s a possible link with Fulcrum because of the way she defends her.
    Verdict: scum
    @Vezok: you said you gave a (non)read on LW because of the recent scumgame with him. I was also scum there. Why not give a read on me there?

    Dkings:
    No posts. Null.

    Mindreaver:
    I like his self-meta because it’s true. And if he does this as scum after a hiatus, that would be extremely dumb because now he has to keep up his energy level.
    I mindmeld with him about Nacho and Vezok.
    Verdict: town

    Axelrod:
    The fact that he chose a semi-serious RVS target is bothersome. What is worse is that he uses KCC’s later posts to strengthen that vote. And then he calls tom’s gimmick in itself scummy.
    Verdict: scum

    KillJoy:
    He’s very easy to read as town, and this is town!him.
    I wonder if he can mimick his towngame as scum. I haven’t seen him as scum in a loooong time. But I doubt he can. His towngame is extremely pure.
    Verdict: town

    Tom:
    He is throwing out reads all the time, and with the songs he has to really think about them. All his reads are pretty much fleshed out. I know tom is capable of a lot as scum, but this would be too amazing to be true. I’m convinced this is town!tom.
    He reminds me of that game where used animal behavior to talk about all of us, which also gave deep insight.
    Verdict: town

    Slothful:
    Some of his questions feel like stating the obvious, but others seem like he’s trying to figure out the game. Not enough there for a read.
    Verdict: null

    Gemma:
    Not a lot of explanation in her posts, but I liked all the votes she cast when she cast them (apart from the brief tom vote).
    When she does post longer sentences, I tend to mindmeld with her (Vezok, the tom gimmick).
    Verdict: town

    Nacho:
    I think the reaction she gave to KCC could come from either alignment, with a bigger chance of coming from town. Scum demanding claims on page 1 is pretty darn dumb, and Nacho isn’t dumb.
    I like where her vote is right now.
    I don’t like the mindreaver vote and the continued KCC pressure.
    Verdict: lean town

    Fulcrum:
    Her first post feels like she distances herself from town a bit with how she talks about tom. Probably NAI though because she hasn’t been active on the site for a while.
    I like how she wants Nacho to stop about KCC, which is indeed a needless distraction in thread by now.
    Not much more there yet. I’ll need more to form a read.
    Verdict: null

    Asta:
    Nothing really there. It bothers me that she did read the game when she posted #293 and didn’t comment on anything apart from answering a question directed at her.
    Can be newb scum that doesn’t really know how to play scum.
    Verdict: lean scum

    Town
    Silver
    KCC
    Mindreaver
    KJ
    Tom
    Gemma

    Lean town
    LW
    Nacho

    Null
    Shadow
    Vaimes
    Dkings
    Slothful
    fulcrum

    Lean scum
    Asta

    Scum
    Vezok
    Axelrod

    There almost has to be scum in the non-posters. Unless I’m wrong about one of my townclears, but this looks like a good base to start off with.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Quote from Vaimes »

    Hottake: Rhand is scum because nobody has tried to mislunch him yet. sideeyesemoji

    Hottake: scumteam is among the non-posters and people that haven't played regularly on MTGS lately :p

    I'm working on a readslist. Expect a wall from me soon.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    On my way home now. I’m going to open my laptop and respond to stuff once I’m home.
    Will take a while, I live in the country with the biggest traffic jams in the world.
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  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Same here. Being in Europe makes large games hard to follow.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Ever Changing Seasons Mafia - Day One Start Dreams of Tranquility
    Fonti is Fulcrum, right? Who is Von?
    I would appreciate it if we keep using MTGS names.
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