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  • posted a message on Ranking Project 2019 - WHITE voting OPEN

    1. Balance
    2. Armageddon
    3. Land Tax
    4. Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    5. Moat
    6. Wrath of God
    7. Swords to Plowshares
    8. Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
    9. Monastery Mentor
    10. Mana Tithe
    11. Gideon Jura
    12. Restoration Angel
    13. Mother of Runes
    14. Hero of Bladehold
    15. Path to Exile
    16. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    17. Parallax Wave
    18. Brimaz, King of Oreskos
    19. Stoneforge Mystic
    20. Enlightened Tutor
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  • posted a message on Ranking Project 2019 Planning
    Quote from "wtwlf123 »
    Basically, I'd rather ask a subjective question that provides people with useful information than an attempt to create an objective prompt ...that winds up generating useless data.


    No one but you thinks the data is useless, as far as I can tell. (Unless you're using "useless" to be synonymous with "statistically insignificant", which is true but also needlessly pedantic). In fact, I can tell you quite honestly that the previous iterations of this project were in fact VERY useful, specifically to me.

    Here are some of the benefits of doing a Card A > Card B, all else equal:

    1) It helps me get a better understanding of this specific community, which is nice because I've been a part of it for years now. And it's also useful information to have when considering card evaluations, especially during spoiler season;

    2) It creates a reference guide for new cubers to build their cubes by identifying which cards to include should they want powerful interactions, or which to avoid if they want to nerf power level to hell (even if it doesn't have an N of 10,000, it's still an awesome resource);

    3) During drafts and sealed decks, it helps people who don't sit down to cube as often as you do, who might not have as strong a sense about the power level of cards. I can speak from experience that my draft and sealed decks got a lot better once I really studied those previous P1P1 community lists.

    And that's just off the top of my head. There are surely more that I'm not considering right now.
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  • posted a message on Ranking Project 2019 Planning
    A whole bunch of thoughtful stuff.

    Echoing this because I agree with all of it (that Wild Mongrel point is making me reconsider my classification strategy), and also to wholeheartedly agree with the use of spoiler tags. Anchoring is a real thing, people!
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  • posted a message on Ranking Project 2019 Planning
    Quote from wtwlf123 »
    P1P1 or most powerful or best are all wildly subjective, and completely contingent on the list you're drawing the data from, and the playgroup you're drafting it with.


    I mean, "favorite cards" or whatever is way more subjective, since by definition it's nothing but personal opinion. At least P1P1 has some basis in objectivity w/r/t perceived power level.

    More to the point, I don't know what the point would be of the project you're proposing. Like, if it's just "I want everyone to know about this cool card", that's fine, but why not just have a big thread about people's pet cards? Or hell, just make an SCD about it. God knows this place could use some more activity outside of spoiler season. But what difference is it to anyone that Parallax Wave and Porphyry Nodes are two of my favorite cards? Who does that help? And why do we need to have a vote on it?

    Anyway, if P1P1 is such a difficult thing for people to grok (I really don't think it is, but whatever), it's not hard to come up with a different way of thinking about it. Something like this:

    Edit: Calibretto said it better. Would I take Card A over Card B, all else equal.

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  • posted a message on Ranking Project 2019 Planning
    Yeah I agree that Hierarch should be a green card because it's good without being in Bant, whereas Yasova and Alesha are garbage without access to their other color identities so should be considered as wedge/shard cards. Ultimately it's only one card and we really shouldn't spend so much time on it, but without pedantry we wouldn't be cube designers I suppose.

    (BW, this is your project and you're going to be doing the leg work on it. You've already been generously solicitous of everyone's opinion, and we're all dead split on it so you're not going to find consensus. Just tell us what to do with Hierarch and let's all move on.)

    I also think a P1P1 (or most powerful, or best) makes the most sense, especially since maximizing power level is the overriding philosophy on this forum. If people want to have an opportunity to highlight their favorite cards or whatever, just add a "Favorite Cards" section of like 5 or something at the end of the real rankings.
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  • posted a message on Ranking Project 2019 Planning
    It would also be nice to not be pedantic about Wrath of God being a strictly better Day of Judgment, and lump those two together as well.

    And I don't want to step on your toes, BW, since this is your project, but I disagree with your categorization priorities. I know this is a decades-old fight at this point, but we really ought to consider context in cards rather than strictly adhering to mana costs. Kird Ape is not a red card in any meaningful sense, in the same way that Yasova Dragonclaw is not a green card. From your logic, it follows that Lingering Souls should be considered a white card, and Alesha, Who Smiles At Death should be considered a red card, even though neither of those cards would go in decks without their secondary colors.
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  • posted a message on This or That discussion.
    It wouldn't be a proper MTGS sendoff without an Arcane Denial debate before we shut this place down. Quick, let's talk about Absorb next. Dance

    (FWIW, Arcane Denial is 360 material. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong and I shall hear no opinions to the contrary.)
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  • posted a message on [CUBE][MH1] Urza, Lord High Artificier
    Man, everyone is so ******* high on this card that it makes me wonder how Usman came to be so down on it in his review:

    "I’d much rather have something like Kasmina, Enigmatic Mentor and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries than this as a sorcery speed threat. If you include this in your Cube, don’t be surprised if you replace it within a year."

    Sample size issues, I guess?
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  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Cube Review on CoolStuffInc.com by Usman
    Awesome article, Usman. There's some pretty surprising assessments here, especially this:

    "Without snow basics, [Ice-Fang Coatl is] the best Simic card, and with snow basics, being able to organically get deathtouch later in the game (or even have it have deathtouch by casting it after turns 3 and 4) is absurd. Play this."

    That's the review that most goes against the community consensus here--I don't think I heard anyone praise this at all, and certainly they didn't say it was better than Edric or Nissa. I'm pretty surprised; maybe I'll have to pick one up.

    I'd also be interested to see in the coming months whether or not people sour as much on Urza, Lord High Artificer and Yawgmoth, Thran Physician as you have, since it seems like you're not going to even include them in your medium-sized cube.
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  • posted a message on [MH1][CUBE] Enemy Talismans
    Quote from jamis »
    Quote from hoodwink »
    Wait, so does everyone think these are better than signets? I always thought the conventional wisdom was the opposite.

    Signets sometimes lead to situations where you have two islands and a blue signet, with Force Spike and Counterspell in hand, but can't keep both up because of the way Signets filter. Talismans let you cast both. Talismans also let you cast a talisman turn 2 and follow it up with a 1-drop, where Signets only let you cast the Signet turn 2.


    For sure, all the arguments for the Talismans being good make sense to me. What I don't understand is, if they're so powerful, why don't they show up with any amount of frequency in powered lists? At least at the same rate as the signets?

    Take a look at the average 360 list on CubeTutor. All 10 signets, not a single talisman. This holds true all the way up to 720.

    Hell, look at your list. You're running all 10 signets but not a single talisman (according to CT). Same with the lists of wtwlf, rantipole, and all the other frequent cubers, as far as I can tell. If they're so close in value, you'd think you'd see the Talismans show up more often in a few lists, yeah?
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  • posted a message on [MH1][CUBE] Enemy Talismans
    Wait, so does everyone think these are better than signets? I always thought the conventional wisdom was the opposite.
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  • posted a message on [MH1][CUBE] Nature's Chant
    Yeah, it's interesting academically at least. I don't disagree with wtwlf's logic at all, but there's a non-zero chance that in 40 years (assuming global warming hasn't killed us) we'll have ten different Rakdos Cacklers / Dryad Militants knocking around. I don't think you could apply wtwlf's thinking to the guild sections of small cubes at that point. Wouldn't you have to count them as 1/2 color?
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  • posted a message on [MH1][CUBE] Nature's Chant
    Cool, so you're arguing that both options increase the playability of the cube, but one option increases it more than the other. Makes sense!

    I was just confused because it sounded like you were arguing that not placing it in a gold slot somehow reduced the playability of the cube in an absolute, rather than relative, sense. Thanks for the clarification!
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  • posted a message on [MH1][CUBE] Nature's Chant
    Quote from wtwlf123 »
    So I either ... cut monocolored cards for hybrids to preserve gold slots (which reduces overall playability)


    Would you mind unpacking that for me? If the hybrid is a strict upgrade on a preexisting monocolored card like this one is, wouldn't that increase the amount of decks that can play the card without penalty and thus increase the overall playability of the cube?
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  • posted a message on Guild Lands (Post Modern Horizons)
    Horizon Canopy gets snatched up so often by non-G/W decks that I just classified it as colorless, since it largely played out that way. Never had a problem with balance or anything, but I'm not sure it's wise to add 5 more clones to my colorless section.
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