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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Yeah but like are the web stories just going to me rephrasing of the key story points or do you have to read both to get the full story?


    If you keep going through the thread, the wizards account mentions (paraphrased) story fan will want to read both, but you will know what happens with just the web fiction.

    EDIT:

    Quote from mapccu »
    I mean really only have Bolas, Eldrazi, and Phyrexia as "potential" multi-plane threats right now right?


    Nahiri and Ob are still out there and depending and how it the story shapes up, Tezzeret.

    Children of the Name also set up the entities and a group who is hunting them which might be a thing in a few years.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    I believe its a one time event for the wrap up of the Bolas arc, an experiment on their new plan of telling the story in different kinds of media and a test to see if players now would be willing to buy novels again. Found the tweet for saying we will be getting web fiction for War;
    https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1037383351714242560

    Hey folks! Just to clarify: We're really excited to share more of Magic's story in more places, which for this arc means both story articles on DailyMTG as well as this novel from Del Rey. #MTGGRN, #MTGRNA, and [MILK] will all have separate web stories in addition to this novel.


    which to me read as the novels not taking over fully.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Chalsis »
    Can WAR possibly be big enough to wrap all this up? There seems like way too much story for one set to tackle alone.

    Here's what the next expansion needs to cover:

    1.) The Eternal invasion.
    2.) The Gatewatch arriving.
    3.) The results of Bolas' Guild manipulations (they actual payoff from five guilds falling)
    4.) Vraska getting her memories back.
    5.) Bolas' Immortal Sun shenanigans.
    6.) The final fates of the Gatewatch, which also probably includes Liliana's Chain Veil/Raven Man arc.
    7.) Ugin doing something Very Important.
    8.) The reveal of what Bolas is really after.
    9.) The final confrontation with Bolas.
    10.) Something involving the Blackblade.

    There's enough story here for at least 2 sets. To be honest, I expected Bolas' invasion to begin in RNA.


    I believe we are getting two novels and web stories for War, so we a bit more room for everything. Also with core set not neccarly needed to have a lot of stories they could use a few slots from there as well.

    Personally I think some the Raven man stuff might be saved for a future storyline.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
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    That works better and again Jace still isn't the main character like you claim. Since RtR/Origins he's shared with the other gatewatch members, not really "Iron Man" movies but "Avengers" movies. Which has been the issue creative is trying to fix now, they have been making more Avengers movies and not enough "solo" films.


    Yeah, however one thing that you seem to have forgotten...

    Alike the MCU storyline people aren't following this storyline in a vacuum. Peoples complaint isn't so much the frequency of seeing Jace, it's the frequency of his necessity to the overall, long term plotline.

    Jace was one the first five walkers to appear in Lorwyn. At that time, they heavily promoted Jace to an audience that didn't particularly like him, and was more interested in the other four walkers.


    What are you talking about out of the lorwyn 5 Jace was the most popular.

    After that, we had Alara which introduced new thematic walkers (and the return of Bolas). However, that still shoehorned in Jace using a connection to Tezzeret and Bolas. [quote]

    Jace wasn't involved with Alara, at all. He was in the novel which was around this time which set up him, Tezzeret and Liliana relationships.

    [quote]Then Zendikar, which... shoehorned in Jace to the detriment of the story (as I view it).


    How so? They been showing that Jace had been following Chandra which all part of a plot of Bolas during before hand.

    Then we jumped over to Mirrodin, which brought us reprieve in that we had no Jace, the return and adaption of a favoured enemy and a favoured setting, and a lot of people hated it. The reason? Venser's entire storyline at the time was criticised for being 'too much like Jace'. That may have been forgetten in time as people retrospectively interpret his character, but it was a criticism that was made.


    I have never heard of this, I think most people were upset that he was a drug addict and being BFF with Karn when they barley talked to each other in Time Spiral. And using how some people interpret a character is a reach to say Jace was involved in the story.


    Because then we returned to Ravnica, and low and behold, Jace was front and center. What irked so many is that he then became a living MacGuffin. He also (as some view it) stole the literal identity of Ravnica into his own character as a shallow attempt to make people like him. It backfired. More people ended up hating him for being a living macguffin that damaged the identity of their favourite plane.


    Thats a pretty fair case.

    Theros then gave us a reprieve from Jace, but not from Gideon who was a very polarising character at the time, with some for and some against. Notably most of those against disliked his (then) similarities to Jace in the way his story was handled, which early on telegraphed that the Gatewatch would become a thing.


    We talking about Jace bud and Gideon didn't appear at in Theros outside one flavor text card as Kytheon. And really after this your points get messy.

    Then Tarkir happened. Most people forgot the story of this because it handled time travel badly, did major retcon work to Bolas and Ugin (that angered just about everyone), and it's main protagonist was criticised as a lazy pastiche of elements of Jace and Gideon (who were both still disliked by the general audience). It also introduced the wedge plane everyone wanted... to immediately destroy that identity thanks to the Jace pastiche.


    This is such a reach, no one was comparing Sarkhan to Jace or Gideon and this so wildly off topic. Also it was this last core set that had had retcons to Bolas and Ugin, not the Khans of Tarkir story. I think you need to go back and look through the storyline again because a lot of your storyline know seems shakey to what happened.

    During that time however we had side stories happening that was supposed to follow Ral. Unfortunately this quickly devolved into Jace + Jace, as he got shoehorned in there (with Gideon) in the worst plot setup for a set I've seen in a while, which wheeled into Eldrazikar. This is when the pattern really begins to set in: another fan favourite plane (not mine, I hate it), that involved Jace (or a pastiche of him), and involved a fan favourite setting being irrevocably destroyed or it's identity forever changing. This only fanned animosity for Jace, especially with the perceived ease he defeated the Eldrazi. Oh wait, what happens next...


    This again is such a reach, claiming other characters are pastiche of Jace is your interpret ( I have never heard a person say this) and that must mean he been in every storyline. Also

    During that time however we had side stories happening that was supposed to follow Ral.


    Source for this? No where did I read project lighting bug was meant to just be a Ral story.

    We go back to another fan favourite plane (also not mine, I hate it) and low and behold, Jace is there. Now previously, it's been one block on (Jace) and one block off (pastiche), but now they're just forcing him down the audience's throats. And low and behold, the core of the story is the plane's identity being irrevocably changed and Jace having a hand in it and/or being the one to solve the problem. Nevermind that you had Tamiyo there, the fact she was an afterthought as compared to Jace's necromantic booty obsession and the criminally overlooked Nahiri/Sorin story, in the end it all came down to 'Jace Kaioken x10'.


    The gatewatch lost though. Emrakul wanted to be sealed. And while a Foucsed on Jace as you mention we had Liliana, SOrin and Nahiri as major characters as well Tamiyo getting some love. And while changed around, Innistrad is still a horror plane and felt very much the same in the recent Sanderson novel set there.

    From there we went to Kaladesh, and while supposed to be an artifact set involving rebellion, drama, social politics and everyone's (modern) favourite artifact baddie Tezzeret, even with a big Ajani plot point, most people criticised it for Jace. Because despite the fact he could of had no screentime, they had to shoehorn him in anyway. Oh and look, the pattern continues of plane everyone enjoys... with it's identity completely destroyed. Hmmm.


    Kaladesh identity wasn't changed, its still optimistic aether-punk world. And Jace literally did *one* thing of note the whole time and that was do illusions to help the rebels. Kaladesh was Chandra's story mostly with Nissa and Liliana playing support.


    From there we got Ixalan, which makes four Jace sets, yayyy. It also brought people pirates, so if you're a fan of those, great! If you're not? Sucks to be you! Sadly those pirates got Jace'd, which ruined the pirates for a considerable portion of their fans. We also got the return of Azor, a huge piece of fan service... that Jace exiled into plot irrelevance reminding everyone of how Jace disregards the general plot (being the GuffinPact). Notably Ixalan's biggest criticism is Jace and his superficial character-centric plot, while it's most applauded notion are the Pirates, Dinosaurs and White Vampires.


    Literally most Jace haters I know enjoyed Ixalan and most people agree the Jace and Vraska part of Ixalan was the best parts.

    From there we went to Dominaria, return to a plane people adore and with no Jace. And people went wild. They loved seeing the return of characters that were similar but distinct to the Gatewatch members. It capitalised on Gideon's improved character, continued Lilith's story, and didn't involve Jace... until it did, in the most criticised part of Dominaria, which is the Jace cameo. Which also added precisely nothing to the story as it was redundant in respect of the future Project Lightning Bug. Fortunately as Jace didn't stick around, Dominaria didn't have it's audience identity completely destroyed.


    Yeah people where upset because they loved how Alison Luhrs soft rebooted him in Ixalan and got the impression that growth was lost since Martha Wells focused more on Jace not trust Liliana during the scene. Ixalan and Kaladesh before didn't lose their identity or destroyed.

    Oh, nevermind, they rammed out a Spellbook thing based on Jace. Which received criticism because it could of been any other PW, but no, they had to ram Jace in, because you can't be allowed to forget that Jace is plot-armor superion of audience upset.


    Yes and we support to be getting more of those feature other planeswalkers. Jace got first because, he's the most popular. We can except Chandra, Liliana and Ajani in that order in next few years. Any who agin this dosnt relate to the topic of Jace being the lead character in all the storylines.

    Then we're back to Ravnica, and thank goth that there has been no Jace. We got to focus on the Guilds, and how things have changed precisely because Jace isn't in the one place he should be, and it's causing the systematic destruction of another fan favourite plane...

    And then we will have War of the Spark, where it's heavily suspected that instead of Ajani, who was originally set up to combat Bolas, we're going to quick swerve to Jace being the hero. But not after the entire identity and culture that the audience loves about Ravnica is completely destroyed. In a set that should be about a planeswalker war, instead it's increasingly likely to be all about a war over Jace's guildpact infused spark. So he can go on to be Guildpact of the Multiverse, because we needed an Adam Warlock Above All in MTG, that can be used to simply reset problems in the multiverse so nobody has to write convincing endings. And sure, it has parallels to Azor's naive rigidity and Liliana's selfish pursuit of her own goals despite the consequences, but it's also shallow.


    :roll eyes: or maybe wait and see what happens in the story.


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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
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    When did I say he was in everything pre-gatewatch?


    I was claryifnyg that since the gatewatch all the members have been involved in the storylines in someway or another. Jace has gotten some more solo time than the other characters, but all of them have gotten some time in the spotlight as well.

    If you want to go off of comic book movies, the best and most successful ones recently have been Black Panther and Wonder Woman. Black Panther would have been worse if it had Spiderman in it, and Wonder Woman would have been worse if it had Batman in it. I’m glad that Batman wasn’t in V for Vendetta, and Spiderman wasn’t in the first 2 Captain America movies, Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor Ragnorock. Honestly, I’m sick of Spiderman and Batman movies, and it’s a good thing they apprear in less than 50% of DC/Marcel movies. If Spiderman was in over 50% of the MCU movies, and was the main character in 25% of them, people would be sick of him also.


    Yup and Alara, Mirrodin 2, Innistrad 1, Theros and Tarkir all didn't have Jace in them. And thats my point, before the gatewatch having all the member appearing every storyline Jace was featured in core sets, Zendikar, Ravnica 2 and a novel. Post gatewatch Jace has switched in and out of being the leading protagonist with the other gatewatch members and other planeswalkers.


    Okay, so if we want to make the marvel comparison, Iron Man is probably a better example than Spiderman. There have been 20 MCU movies, and Iron Man has been the main character in 3 of them, or 15% and has appeared in 8 of them, or 40%.

    Since RTR there have been 10 expansions that I count, not counting core sets, Commander, or masters sets.

    Jace has been the main character in 3 of them, or 30%, and Jace has been in 6 of them or 60%.

    So it would be like if MCU had made Iron Man 4, 5, and 6, and if Iron Man had been an additional movie, like Black Panther. And then when people complained about Iron Man being in too many stories, people like you would say that’s disengenuous because Captain America is in a lot of movies also.


    That works better and again Jace still isn't the main character like you claim. Since RtR/Origins he's shared with the other gatewatch members, not really "Iron Man" movies but "Avengers" movies. Which has been the issue creative is trying to fix now, they have been making more Avengers movies and not enough "solo" films.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from NZB2323 »
    When did I say he was in everything pre-gatewatch?


    I was claryifnyg that since the gatewatch all the members have been involved in the storylines in someway or another. Jace has gotten some more solo time than the other characters, but all of them have gotten some time in the spotlight as well.

    If you want to go off of comic book movies, the best and most successful ones recently have been Black Panther and Wonder Woman. Black Panther would have been worse if it had Spiderman in it, and Wonder Woman would have been worse if it had Batman in it. I’m glad that Batman wasn’t in V for Vendetta, and Spiderman wasn’t in the first 2 Captain America movies, Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor Ragnorock. Honestly, I’m sick of Spiderman and Batman movies, and it’s a good thing they apprear in less than 50% of DC/Marcel movies. If Spiderman was in over 50% of the MCU movies, and was the main character in 25% of them, people would be sick of him also.


    Yup and Alara, Mirrodin 2, Innistrad 1, Theros and Tarkir all didn't have Jace in them. And thats my point, before the gatewatch having all the member appearing every storyline Jace was featured in core sets, Zendikar, Ravnica 2 and a novel. Post gatewatch Jace has switched in and out of being the leading protagonist with the other gatewatch members and other planeswalkers.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    They also did show a plane worse off because of Azor;
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/sabotage-2018-01-31

    Over many years, and across many planes, Nicol Bolas sought clues to the sphinx's agenda. Finally, on a plane wracked by war, Bolas came upon a lawmage staring forlornly down at a broken statue—yet another garish reminder of the fabled lawbringer.

    The Arbiter of Law turned our world against itself, the lawmage thought, and a flood of images flowed from her mind as Nicol Bolas attuned to her and began to unravel the threads of her existence. To think that I worshipped him as a savior when his solutions only broke a world that did not need fixing. To think that the day I spent hiding in the Palace of Justice, listening to him and the Spirit Dragon plot the end of the True Evil, I thought I was as close as any mortal would ever be to the divine . . .

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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
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    The funny thing the Mickey Mouse comparison is that Disney hasn’t made a movie that has Mickey Mouse in ages. If Disney made movie after movie with Mickey Mouse in it, people would grow tired of it and it wouldn’t work as a buisness.

    Just as Disney introduces new characters for movies like Alladin, the Lion King, Mulan, Moana, Brave, etc. Imagine how terrible those movies would be if Mickey Mouse was the main character in those movies. That’s the reason why people hate Jace. Well, that and the constant moaning. He was better in Ixalan, but the Return to Ravnica story was supposed to be about the Guilds but it had way too much about him moaning.


    Except Jace didn't appear in every storyline, before the gatewatch he was the main character in AoA and RtR and a supporting character in Zendikar. And card wise, until very recently Jace has shared being the "walker with the most cards" with other characters.

    Fatigue over a certain character is based on feelings and not facts. Bottom line is many people -deservedly or undeservedly, I don't dare making a judgement here- are bored of Jace and of the gatewatch in general. It should also be noted that Jace is the go to face for Magic and usually included in most core sets while the other colours have a bit more rotation. Jace does get more screentime than other planeswalkers.


    Not really. Chandra was the go to red walker for every core set except M19 (which Jace didn't appear as well) and until Magic Origins we saw Garruk in every coreset (though Nissa was the green walker with M15). In number of cards, Jace has had more card than walkers the time between Ravnica and m14 and then alternating on and off with Chandra post Origins.

    And my point really is while Jace is the poster child, it wasn't like he was the main character. I don't mind if people don't care for Jace, I do care when people trying to say he's been the main character storyline-wise when that is untrue and that he's gotten the most walkers cards when that is only somewhat true.


    Okay, so if Mickey Mouse had appeared in 7 out of the last 10 Disney movies, and had been the main character in 4 of them, would that have made Disney movies better or worse? Would movies like Frozen, Brave, and Moana have been better with Mickey Mouse in them, or if Mickey Mouse was in those movies would people get sick of him?


    You lost me with your metaphor especially since disney storytelling is much different than magic. Better example would be looking at comic book/comic book movies and how often they have Batman/spiderman around. And yeah they get the most love, but as we get other members of the justice league/avengers, we got major storylines of Elspeth (who was a main character everytime we saw her), Sorin, Sarkhan and the other character who would be members of the gatewatch. Since then he and every member have in every storyline except for them splitting off in Ixalan and Dominaria. Its more like Jace gets the first

    Again you can say you dislike Jace but him being the main character and appearing in everything pre-gatewatch isn't true.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Dovin Baan and Azorious the Sphinx's treatment as cardboard villains are cases in point


    Dovin Baan really hasn't been treated as a villain, and frankly the man has a legit beef against the Gatewatch, now he is choosing a very poor outlet for that beef but frankly I do not think he would have any problem equating what happened on Kaladesh with what Bolas is going to do.


    To add on it seems like none of the Bolas walkers are 100% filled into what Bolas is really planning. From Dovin pov Bolas is just helping him bring order to Ravnica and the puzzle of how to do that. Not something you play with when you know a zombie invasion will appear.

    As for Azorious, Oldwalkers almost always had the blind spot of "The things I do might harm those little people but they are really for the best because I say so." I wouldn't say he was treated as a badguy and more of a Child who got told to go sit in a corner and stop causing problems.


    I think thats a pretty spot on way to describe Azor.
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  • posted a message on Is Kiora the most expendable planeswalker Wizards has atm?
    Quote from SilverWolf_27 »
    Ob Nixilis is pretty expendable too, he has nothing going on except a huge hate-boner for the Gatewatch.


    I'm pretty sure there is a interesting story to tell when him and Nahiri bump into each other yet again.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from Flisch »
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    Can we use this thread to discuss Ravnica Allegiance, or has that discussion entirely shifted to the Artbook spoilers thread?

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    Good God, if Ravnica 3 ends up with Jace still as the Living Guildpact, imma gonna Phage-slap him and/or somebody.


    My half-baked theory for this month is that Wizards originally created the "Living Guildpact" role for Jace as a way to semi-retire him in the wake of Jace, the Mind Sculptor and complaints about his over-exposure. A way to take him off the table for the time being but make him available to appear in the future.

    But then Magic: The Gathering gets optioned for a movie (coming never to a theater near you) and Creative Consultants asked Wizards who their 'Mickey Mouse' was, and they said "Jace". (MaRo has told a version of that story several times.) So they begin putting together the Gatewatch storyline with Jace at the front and center, but of course this creates a problem with Jace being "the Living Guildpact". So they decide to have Jace ignore his newfound responsibilities (whether that is out of character for him is a discussion I don't want to get into) until they could engineer a plot about him losing his status as "Living Guildpact". Nissa's visions in Amonkhet hinting that Bolas will use The Immortal Sun to destroy the Guildpact seems like it is leading in this direction.


    The funny thing the Mickey Mouse comparison is that Disney hasn’t made a movie that has Mickey Mouse in ages. If Disney made movie after movie with Mickey Mouse in it, people would grow tired of it and it wouldn’t work as a buisness.

    Just as Disney introduces new characters for movies like Alladin, the Lion King, Mulan, Moana, Brave, etc. Imagine how terrible those movies would be if Mickey Mouse was the main character in those movies. That’s the reason why people hate Jace. Well, that and the constant moaning. He was better in Ixalan, but the Return to Ravnica story was supposed to be about the Guilds but it had way too much about him moaning.


    Except Jace didn't appear in every storyline, before the gatewatch he was the main character in AoA and RtR and a supporting character in Zendikar. And card wise, until very recently Jace has shared being the "walker with the most cards" with other characters.

    Fatigue over a certain character is based on feelings and not facts. Bottom line is many people -deservedly or undeservedly, I don't dare making a judgement here- are bored of Jace and of the gatewatch in general. It should also be noted that Jace is the go to face for Magic and usually included in most core sets while the other colours have a bit more rotation. Jace does get more screentime than other planeswalkers.


    Not really. Chandra was the go to red walker for every core set except M19 (which Jace didn't appear as well) and until Magic Origins we saw Garruk in every coreset (though Nissa was the green walker with M15). In number of cards, Jace has had more card than walkers the time between Ravnica and m14 and then alternating on and off with Chandra post Origins.

    And my point really is while Jace is the poster child, it wasn't like he was the main character. I don't mind if people don't care for Jace, I do care when people trying to say he's been the main character storyline-wise when that is untrue and that he's gotten the most walkers cards when that is only somewhat true.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Not a Moderator (please don't kill me) but I figured we deserved this Thread.
    As we are not expecting main plotline stories for Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) set anymore than we did GRN, and because much of the War of the Spark (WAR) set's story will be revealed on paperback and through online stories, I figured we could consolidate them no?


    On the main plotline revealed by RNA's cards so far, I realized I was in the right guild for me when my first reaction to Kaya's Ethereal Absolution of the indentured Orzhov spirits was TO REEL BACK IN HORROR!!

    It was perhaps the moral thing to do, but not very strategic for the guild's overall wellbeing, Without debt, consequences, and the power that the dead provide for the guild, the Syndicate has lost a lot of power. While I'm all for reforming the guild and making the indentured living and dead's repayment easier and more ennobling, even a shallow understanding of economics points to negative externalities when market forces are so blatantly ignored.


    And maybe as someone in another thread pointed out, this was Bolas's plan all along. Mass inflation to increase the chaos of the plane. I believe Kaya is onto something and her ethics bears a point but even ethical action can have dangerous, and negative consequences. Road to hell is paved by good intentions.



    And knowing Bolas he knew this would happen if he made Kaya guild master, ghosts would be a problem the eternal would have issues with.

    Thinking on it, Amonkhet didn't have any spirits so even the eternal mages might not have magics to deal with them unless Bolas could add in knowledge to them afterwards.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from NZB2323 »
    Can we use this thread to discuss Ravnica Allegiance, or has that discussion entirely shifted to the Artbook spoilers thread?

    Quote from Moppi »
    Good God, if Ravnica 3 ends up with Jace still as the Living Guildpact, imma gonna Phage-slap him and/or somebody.


    My half-baked theory for this month is that Wizards originally created the "Living Guildpact" role for Jace as a way to semi-retire him in the wake of Jace, the Mind Sculptor and complaints about his over-exposure. A way to take him off the table for the time being but make him available to appear in the future.

    But then Magic: The Gathering gets optioned for a movie (coming never to a theater near you) and Creative Consultants asked Wizards who their 'Mickey Mouse' was, and they said "Jace". (MaRo has told a version of that story several times.) So they begin putting together the Gatewatch storyline with Jace at the front and center, but of course this creates a problem with Jace being "the Living Guildpact". So they decide to have Jace ignore his newfound responsibilities (whether that is out of character for him is a discussion I don't want to get into) until they could engineer a plot about him losing his status as "Living Guildpact". Nissa's visions in Amonkhet hinting that Bolas will use The Immortal Sun to destroy the Guildpact seems like it is leading in this direction.


    The funny thing the Mickey Mouse comparison is that Disney hasn’t made a movie that has Mickey Mouse in ages. If Disney made movie after movie with Mickey Mouse in it, people would grow tired of it and it wouldn’t work as a buisness.

    Just as Disney introduces new characters for movies like Alladin, the Lion King, Mulan, Moana, Brave, etc. Imagine how terrible those movies would be if Mickey Mouse was the main character in those movies. That’s the reason why people hate Jace. Well, that and the constant moaning. He was better in Ixalan, but the Return to Ravnica story was supposed to be about the Guilds but it had way too much about him moaning.


    Except Jace didn't appear in every storyline, before the gatewatch he was the main character in AoA and RtR and a supporting character in Zendikar. And card wise, until very recently Jace has shared being the "walker with the most cards" with other characters.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance Gallery Up
    Not sure what to except from the guild kits for legendaries. One reason they had the alternate art legendaries was to give the kit the option of becoming a commander decks, so depends on what the kits are going to play around with.

    Quote from Cainsson »
    Yeah but they put a quote of his in the guildgates and he opposes Domri while Nikya supports him. Which breaks the cycle from every other guild having two legendaries with opposing views that have quotes in the guildgates. So I don't expect consistency in GK RAV/RTR/GRNA representation when they can't keep it anywhere else.


    Lol yea cuz those two things are totally linked.

    Also just noticed RNA doesn't have basics despite supposedly being a new set independent from GRN.


    The basics are only in the bundles and planeswlaker decks for both sets, booster backs replaced them with the gates, thats why in guilds the are outside the numbering and one get a cycle of 1.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Art Book -Spoilers
    Quote from SimicNuggets »
    So does the art book not have any art from the 3rd set?


    Nope, which makes me wonder if we won't be getting an art book this July. I doubt Bolas invading Ravnica is world changing for its own world building book.
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