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  • posted a message on Survey(s) on mothership hint at anime-themed sets incoming?
    My first thought was this was marketing for a future tv show. We are getting the netflix Chandra show so they might be looking to see if a magic cartoon would (either Chandra or a future show) might work with anime influences.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Theros: Beyond Death (flavor spoilers)
    Right that scene with the wanderer. Which could be Elspeth if the hints that Theros is set in the past, but that would also mean Ikoria is set in the past if the cyberpunk-anime Survery for a Japanese setting. As it would also explain Elspeth's new weapon and her new getup. And that the only reason she wears a returned's mask is like how Zorro wears a domino mask, as if she did escape she wouldn't need a mask and it would explain The Wanderer's skin being unlike a returned's.


    Nothing has pointed to Ikoria and Thero being linked. And all we know about Ikoira (as far as I know) is that its monster theme and the cyberpunk-anime is all fan speculation.

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    And if it is in the past, that also means Ravos, Soultender needs to make either a story or card appearance in Theros as he is the one who helped Dack esacpe the underworld. Dack might play a role in an unannounced novel, doubtful of having an actual standard card.


    Why? Generally we get 3 walkers a set and if its in the past we got Dack already there. It might also explain why he wasn't in War originally since (like Garruk, Yangling and the Kenriths) they knew he'd be in an up coming set. Dacks death was also something figured after the set had been finished by Weisman and the creative team so until that point he wasn't gonna be in War.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Theros: Beyond Death (flavor spoilers)
    Quote from Dom4419 »
    I guess we'll never know what Dack was after when he went to the underworld. Unless they make the whole Elspeth escaping storyline before the events of WAR but it wouldn't work with Ajani coming to save her after the events of WAR.

    I know it might be a little messed up but i would like a 2 part story, the first would be in the past which will feature Dack and Elspeths escape.

    The second part would be the current timeline with Ajani finding out that Elspeth has escaped and is preparing to fight heliod plus the gideon stuff.
    Dack Fayden was specifically going to the underworld to confront Ashiok. As Ashiok was causing the citizens of Theros, specifically mages, to sleepwalk and sleepcast. That the reason Ashiok was doing this was to harvest large swaths of nightmares from people. He already had his prize, the gauntlet.

    It was specifically cancelled on its 17th issue in the 'Theros' arc, and this had been back in 2014. To add more of an oddity of the cancellation, IDW are the ones who were making the Dack Fayden comics. The same one as the 'Chandra' 4-parter which has had a string of strange delays ever since the first comic had an interesting show of Chandra having mental trouble because of the events of WAR and this was before the rumor season for WAR was done. Also that the follow up for that comic series which was 'Chandra: Trials of Alara' was also cancelled. To add to this, a year later in 2015 there was the wizards article which confirmed that the last action with Dack was him traveling to the portal.

    As why would they not want a spinoff comic to continue its Theros story when it involves the underworld? And why would they not want a spinoff comic of Chandra and Jace going through Alara together?

    To further dive down the rabbit hole, the Weisman novel doesn't build up Theros. Theros is primarily used for only Gideon's funeral. Also of Ajani speaking of Elspeth once in mourning.

    That what I am getting is it can't be that the set takes place before WAR. That the only way it does is that Greg Weisman either didn't include that on accident or that it was on purpose based on a demand by someone at wizards to not include it.


    We got the Wanderer showng off a golden mask in Forsaken which dose hint at Theros 2 being set before War.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on New info about ikoria
    Quote from ArixOrdragc »
    I remember floating around the idea of "keyword counters" ("Put a flying counter on target creature" for example, the intent being fairly obvious) in a custom card design place many many many many years ago, but it was ultimately scrapped because the idea of a bunch of different counters on creatures all doing different things had concerns of memory issues. I suppose with the advances in "play aids" being included in boosters (this was before even tokens were included in packs), the idea is a lot more feasible now.


    That was my thought as well. Maro also said something when we got the announcement about "building your own monster" so that would play in the aspect.

    I'd guess if it was a ebt thing it would also help with the confusion as well.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
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    Quote from Perkunas687 »
    Hello all,

    Can anyone confirm for me what happened to Dovin Baan, and whether Kaya can now planeswalk with non-walkers?

    I saw it mentioned in the original synopsis, but it seemed to have limited info. I don't know if Dovin is dead-dead, or 'dead . . . . ? Wink '.

    Thanks in advance.
    Dovin is dead dead. Killed on screen and his body was found by a reliable narrator.

    Kaya can planeswalk with essentially anyone. It's just 'harder'. This is part of her ghost power. Which is bull because Jaya straight up tells her before she tries that even ghosts die in the blind eternities.

    These are the two worst developments to come out of Forsaken. I don't know why these are glossed over and the status of ships is hotly discussed.


    People have complained about those points, how Chandra and Nissa where handled,as DJK3654 said, hits on sociopolitical issues that have more real life meaning to people and thus its getting the bigger focus.

    Also I'd add more people had been writing off Dovin as dead, just took the sequel to kill him.

    As for the Kaya plot point, can't speak for Weisman, but other writers seem tired with the post-mending limitations.

    Negatives:
    Venser tried inventing a plane-traveling ship like the Weatherlight to help rescue Mirrans, but he died before he could complete his work.
    The Weatherlight is essentially landlocked on Dominaria and can't be used for its intended purpose.
    The portals that connected Wildfire - Rabiah - Dominaria for travel and commerce no longer work.

    Positives:
    Nicol Bolas's Lazotep Gateway
    Jiang and his dog Mowu
    Kaya and Rat

    Because you fall in one of two camps for planar travel:
    1) Post-mending
    2) Pre-mending


    I think you just help realized why the Kaya thing is so bothersome to me. With Bolas bridge he need to have an undead army coated in magical rock to keep them safe so, Mowu seems to be a living statue and can survive by becoming inorganic and Wrenn bounding with tree folk most likely has them become a part of her body so her spark can protect them both. With Kaya she can take anyone with her with almost no limit (just a risk which we will most likely never see) and nothing about her ghost powers ever screamed she could take people with her on walks.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Judge Promos starting in 2020
    What a neat flavor idea for Demonic Tutor.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
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    Quote from Ree Wicker »
    Also something to chew on, the other things on why the breakup seems really rough:
    1) Also the Joraga lived before getting retconed to dying horribly to the Eldrazi. As this now does make Nissa one of the few survivors of that culture which wasn't a thing before retconning.


    When was that retconed?
    Not sure if a retcon, but it might be similiar to when Wizards just does it for shock value. Like when one of the first story articles for Scars of Mirrodin was literally killing off Glissa and Squee, then resurrecting Glissa into a phyrexian monster. As I know the reason that the Akoum novel isn't canon, aside from origins. Is the unsavory character trait that was originally Nissa believing that the Joraga elves were better than any other race, which basically made her an Elf Supremacist. I think retconning that novel and character trait resulted in a much worse of character ironically than just keeping it canon and having Nissa mellow out when it turns out the Joraga people she believed better were all gone, except for her anyway.


    They didn't retcon that out. We saw her change during her core 15 story realizing it was now Zenikdar vs Eldrazi.

    @Ree Wicker they also make reference to Nissa having used black mana in the past doing a few BtZ stories so that aspect was kept.
    Did they keep it in? I remember back during origins that a lot of websites chatted about how that character trait of Nissa was retconned.


    Issue was most of the elf racist stuff was in her original bio for duel of the planeswalker and not mentioned much outside of that. We got the M15 story which seems not canon compared to her origins but later said to be the shift in character for her. Its a mess but it seem that with Nissa character that she trusted the elves and Zendikar more so then anyone else and after her tribe tossed her out she got worst and only talked to Zendikar. She been said to be 60 something so I guess she has had some time to swing in character some, thought her character has been a mess all the same.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from 5colors »
    Quote from Ree Wicker »
    Also something to chew on, the other things on why the breakup seems really rough:
    1) Also the Joraga lived before getting retconed to dying horribly to the Eldrazi. As this now does make Nissa one of the few survivors of that culture which wasn't a thing before retconning.


    When was that retconed?
    Not sure if a retcon, but it might be similiar to when Wizards just does it for shock value. Like when one of the first story articles for Scars of Mirrodin was literally killing off Glissa and Squee, then resurrecting Glissa into a phyrexian monster. As I know the reason that the Akoum novel isn't canon, aside from origins. Is the unsavory character trait that was originally Nissa believing that the Joraga elves were better than any other race, which basically made her an Elf Supremacist. I think retconning that novel and character trait resulted in a much worse of character ironically than just keeping it canon and having Nissa mellow out when it turns out the Joraga people she believed better were all gone, except for her anyway.


    They didn't retcon that out. We saw her change during her core 15 story realizing it was now Zenikdar vs Eldrazi.

    @Ree Wicker they also make reference to Nissa having used black mana in the past doing a few BtZ stories so that aspect was kept.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
    Quote from Ree Wicker »
    Also something to chew on, the other things on why the breakup seems really rough:
    1) Also the Joraga lived before getting retconed to dying horribly to the Eldrazi. As this now does make Nissa one of the few survivors of that culture which wasn't a thing before retconning.


    When was that retconed?
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Best novels
    Not a novel of Chronicles of Bolas by Kate Elliot IMO is one of the best and strongest pieces of magic fiction. She also wrote the Wildered Quest for Throne of Eldraine which is great.

    Children of the Nameless is also a delightful read.

    Godsend is also great.

    Quote from user_938036 »
    ...Test of Metal for all intents and purposes appears to be noncannon which is disappointing.


    Kelly Diggs (who used to work on creative) had the fun head canon that Test of Metal is a mental test Bolas gives Tezzeret when Bolas was rebuilding him which is why a lot of the elements, mostly Tezzerets past, are correct and considered canon while the wild stuff (like Tezzeret becoming a time god and killing/losing to Bolas) works out.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
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    Eh, I have to react, because I am quite fed up of all this.

    Quote from Pip_Maxwell »
    Wintermute's novels are absolute masterpieces when compared to these Weissman novels.


    You have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry for being blunt. And that is coming from a man who read literally every Magic novel ever released.
    Well, I mean, I'm kind of on Pip's side with this. Wintermute's novels are bad for sure, but they're like Asylum movie bad - if you can get yourself in the right mood, you can have a lot of fun with them. WotS, more than anything else, is just boring. They're not good, but they're also not bad enough to be "so bad that it's good". Wintermute's novels can still provide some degree of entertainment value, even if it's for all the wrong reasons, which is more than can be said for WotS.

    Although in all fairness, it's been a long time since I read QfK - I just remember smiling and giggling to myself all the way through it, in an "Oh my god what am I even looking at" manner, but it's entirely possible my memory sucks and/or things were just different back then, and it was just bad.

    That said, I don't pin the blame entirely on Weisman - a significant chunk of it rests with the creative team who actually came up with this dross of a storyline to begin with. Weisman's novels are bad for sure, but in all fairness, he just wasn't given a whole lot to work with. Sure, he might have done a better job with it - a good enough writer can make eating a bowl of cereal compelling - but it's not like he butchered a good story, he simply failed to make the best out of a bad one.


    Thing is we don't know what was in the draft and what was the authors add on unless they speak on it. For the Bolas story Elliot talked about how she was the one who finalized Bolas and Ugin being twin brothers and came up with the frame story on Tarkir where the draft just said Bolas and Ugin where twins in some sense but not locked in as brothers and told Elliot they needed a frame story where we learn Bolas's past but is effected by unreliable narrators. For Gathering Storm Hekara was created by Wexler and Rat (and I'm guessing the plot point of Kaya taking Rat with her between planes) was made Weisman who also was the one who made the choice of de-aging Teyo and made him the new comer pov character. With Sanderson they basically let him make Childern of the Nameless and Davriel whole cloth with just the basic of outline of where they needed "future mono-black walker" for set in the future (which I'm guessing was War of the Spark).
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Seven Secret Lairs in 2019
    I'm not usually that negative but no, this ***** doesn't belong to magic


    The different decks all have different types of art that aren't traditionally thought of as magic art. The cat one have the cute internet meme art but not all the card will. For the eldraine one for example I'm guessing more showcase type fairy tale book art.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Seven Secret Lairs in 2019
    Quote from Druki »
    I'd like to know what's in these before committing to the $200 purchase of all 7.

    Seems like an ok middle ground of things like FTV/masterpieces/mythic sets. Kind of a bummer they're only available for 24hrs each.


    They are having social media people preview each one today every hour then we will get an article with the full listing by the end of the day.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Secret Lair
    Quote from Xcric »
    i'm not sure i fully understand the intent of this product.

    precons that have had the cards turned cute?

    what... why name it secret lair and dedicate development time to this? i guess that makes me pretty far from the target audience but honestly, if they include good reprints no one will care anyway. personally not seeing the point when there are SO many better ways to send the players a "love letter"

    edit: also what the hell? only buyable in a 24 hour window? FOMO much? this shouldn't have been called secret lair, this should have been called how much cash can we pump out of our players. how many people, and more importantly STORES, are going to buy these in droves just to flip because they're limited in window of purchase?


    Its mostly the art. The cat art is cutie but not all of it will. I except the eldraine one to have some showcase type art. They mentioned comic book artists and street art too.

    Big thing to also note that is only for 24-hour but will be printed to demand
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Secret Lair
    Ugh this looks cool but my wallet is already crying. The cute kitties art is so cute! Love too see the different arts we get. Eldraine Wonderland also sounds tempting.

    EDIT: Also glad to hear they will be printed on demand.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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