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Quote from FunkyDragon »Modern day cancel culture is incredibly ironic when viewed through the lens of history. In many way it resembles the McCarthy-era communist witch hunts, trying to blacklist anyone outside of the accepted norms. Consider this quote by Edward Murrow (the reporter most often credited with standing up to Senator McCarthy):If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be just the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.Replace "Joe McCarthy" with "modern cancel culture," and you end up with a statement about the absolute conformity required by hypocrites who demand exclusion in the name of inclusion. The funny thing is I have no dog in this fight - I believe WOTC has just as much right to end the relationship as I believe Nielsen has the right to believe or support whatever views she wants, whether I agree with her or not. But then I see the highly judgmental people in this thread jump to call her a "throwback," a "Troglodyte," and "an awful person" with a "twisted little heart." Ad hominem attacks, really? And you dare claim moral superiority? Irony at its finest. It's this same crowd who demanded the removal of an artist not because of her art but because of her personal life. Are your lives perfect? Is there nothing that anyone else would take issue with? How would you like to be publicly harassed and name called? Or your employer petitioned to fire you? How about having your employer, rather than quietly letting you go, making an announcement to the world in order to appease the angry mobs with torches and pitchforks? Have a little human decency and compassion. And before you say she doesn't deserve it, remember you're the ones claiming moral superiority; maybe you should act like it. The political environment of today has become so polarized that everyone seems to vilify anyone on the other side of an issue. Maybe we should take a step back and remember we're all human.It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, then what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things. --- Terry Pratchett
If none of us ever read a book that was "dangerous," had a friend who was "different," or joined an organization that advocated "change," we would all be just the kind of people Joe McCarthy wants.
It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, then what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things. --- Terry Pratchett
Quote from mikeyG »Quote from Spaz350 »Quote from mikeyG »Missed opportunity for Grizzlegom, which makes me sad. He was the Hurloon General during the Phyrexian Invasion so this card wouldn't really even have to change except for name and art. Dang. We can still hope for Commander Legends. I loved those books as a kid, so I'm still hoping for him, Thaddeus, and Agnate all getting cards. For sure, though I'm not sure how likely it is that we'll get another Minotaur legend so soon after this one. Worth hoping for, at least. Commander Legends is the ideal spot for the characters who never got cards and the ones who were done dirty by their first iteration, so Invasion-era heroes may finally get in there. I was shocked we got Windgrace, so anything's possible. (Thaddeus and Agnate are two of my favorite characters and I still think the metathran were such an interesting race that it's a shame they were largely ignored even in the Invasion Block and then never heard from again)
Quote from Spaz350 »Quote from mikeyG »Missed opportunity for Grizzlegom, which makes me sad. He was the Hurloon General during the Phyrexian Invasion so this card wouldn't really even have to change except for name and art. Dang. We can still hope for Commander Legends. I loved those books as a kid, so I'm still hoping for him, Thaddeus, and Agnate all getting cards.
Quote from mikeyG »Missed opportunity for Grizzlegom, which makes me sad. He was the Hurloon General during the Phyrexian Invasion so this card wouldn't really even have to change except for name and art. Dang.
Quote from mikeyG »Quote from 5colors »I mean you have stupid and then there is Alex "frogs are gay and Obama did Sandyhook" Jones level of complete no brain functioning stupid. Mike "Pizzagate" Cernovich shouldn't be discounted in that. He's weighing in on Nielsen's situation with WotC claiming it's cancel culture and such, which is a tad hypocritical given what Cernovich himself attempted with James Gunn and Sam Seder. Has Nielsen herself responded? Quote from Melkor »I have mixed feelings. I think it's probably wise for them to not hire her for any NEW art with how things currently stand, but the thought of losing her art on reprints makes me sad, because let's face it, no matter what she has done or said, I would hope anyone can recognize that no conversation about the best artists and card art in the game would be complete without including her/ That art for Study is one of the most recognizable, iconic pieces in the gae I think there's certainly a conversation to be had around the complexities of separating art from the artist, particularly around how to deal with previous works.
Quote from 5colors »I mean you have stupid and then there is Alex "frogs are gay and Obama did Sandyhook" Jones level of complete no brain functioning stupid.
Quote from Melkor »I have mixed feelings. I think it's probably wise for them to not hire her for any NEW art with how things currently stand, but the thought of losing her art on reprints makes me sad, because let's face it, no matter what she has done or said, I would hope anyone can recognize that no conversation about the best artists and card art in the game would be complete without including her/ That art for Study is one of the most recognizable, iconic pieces in the gae
Quote from mikeyG »Quote from 5colors »I mean you have stupid and then there is Alex "frogs are gay and Obama did Sandyhook" Jones level of complete no brain functioning stupid. Mike "Pizzagate" Cernovich shouldn't be discounted in that. He's weighing in on Nielsen's situation with WotC claiming it's cancel culture and such, which is a tad hypocritical given what Cernovich himself attempted with James Gunn and Sam Seder. Has Nielsen herself responded?
Quote from soramaro »Quote from Flisch »In conclusion, I wish they'd add more variety (even if it's just hinted at for future revisits) to each culture and race rather than just making a stereotype seen on four-six cards and call it a day. A typical Maro-type response to this (I feel) would be that they have only so many cards to depict any tribe/faction/region etc. so they have to rely on stereotypes to a certain degree to drive the point home, or else player's wouldn't be able to "get it". Essentially, these type of decisions are the result of branding and marketing concerns. I too am of the opinion that they tend to go a bit too far with this in the recent past. I think the customers could very much handle "less pigeonholed" worldbuilding, where everything pertaining to a group or a combination of colors has to fit into a very tight frame.
Quote from Flisch »In conclusion, I wish they'd add more variety (even if it's just hinted at for future revisits) to each culture and race rather than just making a stereotype seen on four-six cards and call it a day.
Quote from Mullerornis »The move anti-discrimination period started probably a while ago, ever since Doug Beyer dismissed homophobia in Ravnica by claiming no one in the multiverse is affected by bigotry.
I think anti-bigotry sentiments are nice and all, but they shouldn't flat out retcon everything and pretend it didn't happen. If you must, introduce changes to individual planes saying that race relations have improved or something.
]Assuming TBD had a story, I suppose the discoveries of the complexity of minotaur culture would have caused a shift in perception.
Quote from Firebead_elvenhair »Quote from Mullerornis »In general I think this guide smooths the relationship between humans and other races way too much. In the original setting they were in flat out genocidal terms with everyone aside from Lagonna centaurs and satyrs. Probably it is for the new stance on racism of Wizards (which is resolving it in their games instead of doing something worthwile in the outside world).
Quote from Mullerornis »In general I think this guide smooths the relationship between humans and other races way too much. In the original setting they were in flat out genocidal terms with everyone aside from Lagonna centaurs and satyrs.
Quote from mikeyG »Is there a joke I'm missing?
Quote from mikeyG »So some of the included creatures are ..... odd, but the card itself is serviceable for the three (or four, depending) tribes that would likely support it. At first I thought this was meant to represent a haven for freed domesticated animals, but then snakes don't really feel fitting. I love the concept, it's just raising all sorts of questions. Like, are they all supposed to be freed pets? Because why would Ox be included and why not other pet types like, say, Spiders or Fish? This seriously does not matter at all, I'm just fascinated by why they selected these types in particular.