I'm not sure how a boat carrying a corpse can be a 3/3....that is, unless you light it on fire with an arrow as many of the shows tells us they did. Then I guess the fire can make it a 3/3
0/1 for corpse.
+3/+2 for stench.
Using Stenchskipper for stat hypothesis. Flying, 3/3 for 3B seems reasonable...because its stinky it gets +3/+2.
best explanation possible. Well done. I’ll accept this as fact
I'm not sure how a boat carrying a corpse can be a 3/3....that is, unless you light it on fire with an arrow as many of the shows tells us they did. Then I guess the fire can make it a 3/3
I'm wondering what the snow permanent hate will be. The support sure is strong and without that hate, I can't understand why anyone would choose not to run basic snow lands going forward - at this point, they're strictly better than regular basics, are they not?
In fact, I'll be surprised if there is only one form of hate. As a player of snow lands well before this set, and as someone who is very excited by all these snow cards and everything about them, I'll be disappointed if there are not multiple ways to keep the mechanic in check.
Knowing wizards, we’ll get a single artifact with CMC 1-2 that makes snow lands tap for colorless or wait a turn before untapping (or that acts like a winter orb for snow lands, if they’re being super clever). Just a generic sideboard rare that any deck can fit:
Agreed that's what old Wizards would do. Very possibly what new Wizards would do too. I've been wondering if the Play Design team is just a smoke screen given the most recent sets...a lack of hate here will be the most obvious evidence to that claim if it happens.
I'm wondering what the snow permanent hate will be. The support sure is strong and without that hate, I can't understand why anyone would choose not to run basic snow lands going forward - at this point, they're strictly better than regular basics, are they not?
In fact, I'll be surprised if there is only one form of hate. As a player of snow lands well before this set, and as someone who is very excited by all these snow cards and everything about them, I'll be disappointed if there are not multiple ways to keep the mechanic in check.
I think it's more akin to the complaints about how snow wasn't in Kaldheim and how the whole plane was ruined.
Looks like wotc agreed with us since they did put snow in the set
Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
What's a hard concept for me to grasp is why when we have lots of the set we don't know about, another card spoiled that hints at Vorinclex obtaining the Sword of the Realm and also people who talked about how Kaya and Vorinclex fought in the story in this thread and others before this thread took place, many still jump to conclusions and rant about things that didn't even happen. You say the story is not obtainable enough for you to know what's going on, but you're on this website, so if you were paying attention, you'd have seen other people mention that Kaya and Vorinclex fight and Kaya, in fact, doesn't kill Vorinclex.
It's the same thing with the snow complaints. We saw six card arts that aren't even included in Kaldheim and several people went on tirades about how WotC tricked them by not including snow (snow was included) and the set was ruined because there's no snow (there is snow). Before we saw any cards and just knew that Kaya was on the box, several people jumped to the conclusion that Kaya was going to kill a new character (Vorinclex isn't new and Kaya didn't kill him) and it would be wasted potential because the new character wouldn't have time to flourish before 'Mary Sue' Kaya killed them. And that was wrong too.
And here we are. People jumping to conclusions about how terrible the story is and Kaya is because she killed Vorinclex (she didn't).
Is there any introspection after all this? Can we all agree to actually get real, factual information about things before going on tirades about it? Come on, wait until you know the story to complain about the story. Because at this point a lot of people have just been complaining about what happens in their own imaginations.
I did not say that the story is not obtainable enough for me. I merely indicated that it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some people have not read the story article and this card is the first introduction to the interaction. We do have a lot of stuff yet to be spoiled which also lends to the fact that this card could easily be interpreted as Kaya winning this fight and without more of the story cards to explain the true result, the jump to the conclusion is again reasonable.
All in all, it's a very strange thing for you and others to be so defensive of peoples' reactions to a card and for them to express those reactions in a forum specifically designed for that purpose. You're in a place called RUMOR MILL - this isn't the story forum - jumping to conclusions should be expected here. You want introspection about the details of the story? Head over to the place where that kind of conversation takes place, sounds like it would be perfect for you. And if the thread doesn't yet exist, you could start one.
Furthermore, if the people who jump to the conclusion that the story is terrible decide never to look any deeper then they're probably not an active part of the community you're involved in. So, what does it really matter to you what a gut reaction is from a total stranger on a forum not even dedicated to the aspect of the game you seem to care so much about?
I have no skin in this at all. As ridiculous as I think it would be for the new walker to kill Vorniclex on his or her own in any fashion, I am really just defending the people who jumped to conclusions as it's a perfectly reasonable thing to happen. As well as questioning your odd request; especially in this particular forum and with the information provided by this thread and the card alone.
Moreover, it seems to me that you're putting entirely too much weight on the value of random forum users' opinions of the set and story in the Rumor Mill.
I think it's more akin to the complaints about how snow wasn't in Kaldheim and how the whole plane was ruined.
Looks like wotc agreed with us since they did put snow in the set
Yes, that's my point. And it looks like WotC agreed with you all again, because Kaya didn't kill Vorinclex. Hence why it was silly to spend all that time complaining about it as if it were terrible, when in fact it wasn't true at all. Why can't we wait until we know whether snow is in the set or not to go on thread-long rants about how Kaldheim is ruined? Snow turned out to be in the set so all those doomer posts were premature and silly in hindsight.
And here we are again, with people complaining about Kaya bad because she kills Vorinclex, which is also premature and based off of the story, didn't even happen. It would be cool if the complaints were made about things that actually happen instead of things people imagine might happen and just assume to be true without bothering to look into the information available.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
The heck kind of kids did you hang out with in grade-school?
best explanation possible. Well done. I’ll accept this as fact
Agreed that's what old Wizards would do. Very possibly what new Wizards would do too. I've been wondering if the Play Design team is just a smoke screen given the most recent sets...a lack of hate here will be the most obvious evidence to that claim if it happens.
In fact, I'll be surprised if there is only one form of hate. As a player of snow lands well before this set, and as someone who is very excited by all these snow cards and everything about them, I'll be disappointed if there are not multiple ways to keep the mechanic in check.
I did not say that the story is not obtainable enough for me. I merely indicated that it's perfectly reasonable to assume that some people have not read the story article and this card is the first introduction to the interaction. We do have a lot of stuff yet to be spoiled which also lends to the fact that this card could easily be interpreted as Kaya winning this fight and without more of the story cards to explain the true result, the jump to the conclusion is again reasonable.
All in all, it's a very strange thing for you and others to be so defensive of peoples' reactions to a card and for them to express those reactions in a forum specifically designed for that purpose. You're in a place called RUMOR MILL - this isn't the story forum - jumping to conclusions should be expected here. You want introspection about the details of the story? Head over to the place where that kind of conversation takes place, sounds like it would be perfect for you. And if the thread doesn't yet exist, you could start one.
Furthermore, if the people who jump to the conclusion that the story is terrible decide never to look any deeper then they're probably not an active part of the community you're involved in. So, what does it really matter to you what a gut reaction is from a total stranger on a forum not even dedicated to the aspect of the game you seem to care so much about?
I have no skin in this at all. As ridiculous as I think it would be for the new walker to kill Vorniclex on his or her own in any fashion, I am really just defending the people who jumped to conclusions as it's a perfectly reasonable thing to happen. As well as questioning your odd request; especially in this particular forum and with the information provided by this thread and the card alone.
Moreover, it seems to me that you're putting entirely too much weight on the value of random forum users' opinions of the set and story in the Rumor Mill.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept for you (and others commenting the same as you) to grasp that some people only get the story via the cards. Not everyone is seeking out the Wizards home page for new stories especially considering the drastic inconsistencies in production of them. That page went from the primary method of story telling, to small excerpts of characters, to non-existent, and now it appears back to their original purpose. Furthermore, there is very little, if any, promotion of those links to Wizards story articles on this website especially within the Rumor Mill. So, if you didn't know to look there, you would only have these cards to go off.
Then, those who haven't read the story and don't know where to find it, see the relatively new planeswalker pouncing on a leading member of perhaps the longest running and most powerful villainous aspects in the history of the game. Honestly, why is that such a hard concept to grasp?