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Want some really good draw tech? Crucible of Worlds. Crucible of Worlds + Command Beacon. Kozilek casts 10 for the rest of the game, for the low-low price of your land drop.
Hey that's a really cool interaction I've never thought about, nice!
Sea gate ruins Seems like an absolute house in EDH. This is the land I'm most excited about.
What's everyone's favorite draw tech?
I've been using mind's eye and memory jar for as long as I can remember and they have been adequate up until recently. I've tried using Loreseeker's stone but the activation cost just doesn't seem worth it most of the time especially when the initial investment is 6 mana. I'm planning to add Solemn Simulacrum with three wastes for deck resiliance and consistancy(I run karn as my commander but my deck shares more similarities with your guys koz lists).
I also run the bazaar of baghdad with Alhammarret's archive combo for card draw and filtering plus a few tutors here and there but I'm lacking a solid engine. I'm pretty much asking the age old question here but I'm wondering if I've missed anything that's good.
Haven of the spirit dragon Would be good if it put it into the battlefield. I would consider this if Steel hellkite was still in my deck but even then its a real niche card that doesn't do much except cripple our mana a bit. Tomb of the spirit dragon I believe this card isn't good, there aren't many options for gaining life in colourless and most of the good ones sac a single creature, I feel if you have a lot of creatures you don't need the life gain.
Ugin's NexusI don't really like this card tbh, the only way this might be good is if another artefact comes out to completely abuse this but in its current state its not worth the mana to play it.
Candelabra of tawnos Unless this card is banned its not coming out of my deck. Getting two activations of Mishra's workshop, ancient tomb, City of traitors, temple of the false god and other utility lands is very good. It can be dead but a lot of the time its a 2nd sol ring. Draw backs are that this card is actually very expensive to buy.
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Unstable obelisk[/card] I used to run Spine of ish sah but cut it for this. The removal can be life saving and you also get a mana rock, for me I could never really afford to recur the spine well enough for me to keep it.
Arcane lighthouse I believe this will be a staple of edh for years to come, it does what that other 1 cmc artefact that I cant remember right now does but better and in a land.
I don't run Kozi as my commander but my version of karn has a very similar game plan.
Uba Mask + Bazaar of Baghdad lets you draw two when you have an empty hand right? That seems good but Uba Mask is pretty underwhelming for me and clashes with Mind's eye. I used to run it when I had more stax cards like winter orb and storage matrix.
I'm also to a point where my deck is very tuned to how I want it and I'm cutting good cards for slightly better cards which makes the process very hard.
I like your list a lot and they aren't too dissimilar actually. Any cards that I don't have in my list that you recommend? I absolutely love Phyrexian Processor. I cast it either for 1, 10 or 20 depending on how much life I have or if I want skullclamp plebs.
I will be very surprised if they didn't spoil another card that is playable in our deck. If they don't I'm more than happy with Ugin's flavour which is amazing.
I'm interested in how LED goes, I've thought about it before but never pulled the trigger due to the price tag.
I had Lodestone Golem in my deck for a while but I cut it due to people forgetting the extra cost. In end the I didn't want to police it and there were some unfortunate situations where costs weren't payed.
Platinum Emperion Is an alright card but I run it because I've got a Japanese Foil copy, is 8 mana for 8/8 and a golem for Cavern of souls. Unwinding clock is a really good card. It's pseudo vigilance for your creatures and nets you extreme value out of your activated abilities, combined with Mycosynth lattice allows you to untap your board every opponents upkeep, which is nothing to scoff at.
I've been toying with the idea of including spawnsire of ulamog to use its 20 mana ability fetching the other Eldrazi cards I don't play in the mb. It a way of playing more cards than I can fit in my 100 and it's a bit of splashy edh fun. Even though its not competitive I think the annihilator triggers will put in work.
Pfft if a green mage wants to blow up a few of my lands from my Karn deck I'll return the favour by making sure he doesn't have lands for the rest of the game with mycosynth lattice.
There is much more malicious LD out there which is why my baby sundering titan got banned because he was the legit nuts
On Liquimetal Coating it's still an auto include for me for its interacting with tower of magistrate, Karn and others. Depending on who you're playing you really need to specify whether or not you're going to blow up lands. If I'm with a casual group I say before hand I won't use much LD if they don't do crazy things with their land.
I'm a bit against the new ring tbh. I don't like how it can run out even though I might not need any more than 3 wishes and I don't like including any proliferation because of little synergy with the rest of the deck.
I've been tweaking, investing thousands of dollars and playing the heck out of my deck for 2 years now and I've made some hard cuts along the way.
It's pretty controversial to include Eldrazi in Karn and no one really does it but they are too awesome for me not to put in. Why not run the best colourless creatures in the game? Meh so you have some anti synergies, the deck has enough of hyper synergy to more than make up for it.
One thing I really like which I didn't consider because is those new bracers, good call!
The best thing I ever did was cut the Urza lands. the space they free up is amazing and they were 9/10 times crapsican
I will admit that I intentionally exploited/abused Sundering Titan by playing a colourless deck with zero basic lands, erratic portal and portcullis which was dedicated to land destruction. I have successfully cast him maybe 2-3 times by which I had already won and nor I did not use the aforementioned combos.
It wouldn't be that bad though if I had a substitute for Titan. So far the closest thing I can think of is blightsteel colossus without playing junk. You can try and convince me he's funnier or fairer than Titan but you will fail. He was the only real haymaker/finisher in my deck and now that he's gone I'm playing a grand total of 2 creatures.
I'm still really sad over Titan getting banned though. Every time I see him in my binder I die a little inside. I don't think I will ever get over it, not until he's unbanned at least.
Hey that's a really cool interaction I've never thought about, nice!
Sea gate ruins Seems like an absolute house in EDH. This is the land I'm most excited about.
I've been using mind's eye and memory jar for as long as I can remember and they have been adequate up until recently. I've tried using Loreseeker's stone but the activation cost just doesn't seem worth it most of the time especially when the initial investment is 6 mana. I'm planning to add Solemn Simulacrum with three wastes for deck resiliance and consistancy(I run karn as my commander but my deck shares more similarities with your guys koz lists).
I also run the bazaar of baghdad with Alhammarret's archive combo for card draw and filtering plus a few tutors here and there but I'm lacking a solid engine. I'm pretty much asking the age old question here but I'm wondering if I've missed anything that's good.
Tomb of the spirit dragon I believe this card isn't good, there aren't many options for gaining life in colourless and most of the good ones sac a single creature, I feel if you have a lot of creatures you don't need the life gain.
Ugin's NexusI don't really like this card tbh, the only way this might be good is if another artefact comes out to completely abuse this but in its current state its not worth the mana to play it.
Candelabra of tawnos Unless this card is banned its not coming out of my deck. Getting two activations of Mishra's workshop, ancient tomb, City of traitors, temple of the false god and other utility lands is very good. It can be dead but a lot of the time its a 2nd sol ring. Draw backs are that this card is actually very expensive to buy.
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Unstable obelisk[/card] I used to run Spine of ish sah but cut it for this. The removal can be life saving and you also get a mana rock, for me I could never really afford to recur the spine well enough for me to keep it.
Arcane lighthouse I believe this will be a staple of edh for years to come, it does what that other 1 cmc artefact that I cant remember right now does but better and in a land.
I don't run Kozi as my commander but my version of karn has a very similar game plan.
I'm also to a point where my deck is very tuned to how I want it and I'm cutting good cards for slightly better cards which makes the process very hard.
I like your list a lot and they aren't too dissimilar actually. Any cards that I don't have in my list that you recommend? I absolutely love Phyrexian Processor. I cast it either for 1, 10 or 20 depending on how much life I have or if I want skullclamp plebs.
I'm not too sure on the rules about posting links but here it is Karn
I'm interested in how LED goes, I've thought about it before but never pulled the trigger due to the price tag.
I had Lodestone Golem in my deck for a while but I cut it due to people forgetting the extra cost. In end the I didn't want to police it and there were some unfortunate situations where costs weren't payed.
Platinum Emperion Is an alright card but I run it because I've got a Japanese Foil copy, is 8 mana for 8/8 and a golem for Cavern of souls. Unwinding clock is a really good card. It's pseudo vigilance for your creatures and nets you extreme value out of your activated abilities, combined with Mycosynth lattice allows you to untap your board every opponents upkeep, which is nothing to scoff at.
I've been toying with the idea of including spawnsire of ulamog to use its 20 mana ability fetching the other Eldrazi cards I don't play in the mb. It a way of playing more cards than I can fit in my 100 and it's a bit of splashy edh fun. Even though its not competitive I think the annihilator triggers will put in work.
There is much more malicious LD out there which is why my baby sundering titan got banned because he was the legit nuts
I'm a bit against the new ring tbh. I don't like how it can run out even though I might not need any more than 3 wishes and I don't like including any proliferation because of little synergy with the rest of the deck.
I've been tweaking, investing thousands of dollars and playing the heck out of my deck for 2 years now and I've made some hard cuts along the way.
It's pretty controversial to include Eldrazi in Karn and no one really does it but they are too awesome for me not to put in. Why not run the best colourless creatures in the game? Meh so you have some anti synergies, the deck has enough of hyper synergy to more than make up for it.
One thing I really like which I didn't consider because is those new bracers, good call!
The best thing I ever did was cut the Urza lands. the space they free up is amazing and they were 9/10 times crapsican
It wouldn't be that bad though if I had a substitute for Titan. So far the closest thing I can think of is blightsteel colossus without playing junk. You can try and convince me he's funnier or fairer than Titan but you will fail. He was the only real haymaker/finisher in my deck and now that he's gone I'm playing a grand total of 2 creatures.
I'm still really sad over Titan getting banned though. Every time I see him in my binder I die a little inside. I don't think I will ever get over it, not until he's unbanned at least.
Brilliant