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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Silly Mister Chris, that is because my alignment does not affect the quality of the game when I am in it. ^^
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Any game where I die is automatically worse - especially if it is through lynch. Teach
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Oh, carry on, then. ^^ Getting people to look at the game is good, and I apologize if I offended you - I just needed you to put on the brakes for a moment to prevent you from driving this game off of a cliff.
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Monsieur Nacho, I take back what I said - you read it. But you obviously didn't understand it. Wink I am not sure what I can make clearer about what I said, but if you wish to remove yourself from your high horse and consider for half a second that you may be wrong, then perhaps we can have a fruitful discussion about it. Otherwise, I have no more words for you.
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Eyebrow

    Level with me here, for a moment, please, Mister DC. You are hypothesizing that the bad guys are Mister Id/Miss Blue/Miss Scarlet, correct? Does that mean, then, that you believe that Miss Blue, as a bad guy, would go for a dual soft bus but then push someone else that nobody was convinced on instead of pushing the hard bus when there was sufficient data on the table to lynch both Mister Id AND Miss Scarlet? I know that you know I can read the flow of the game very well - so what on earth am I trying to gain, here, as a bad guy? If anything, as a bad guy, my vote would be parked on Mister Id right now.

    That being said, I think I will concede the point on Mister Necarg's play differences to you. I believe my incorrecolletion (see what I did, there? ^^) was a result of reading the end parts of True Name Mafia with Mister Necarg's alignment in mind. While I believe it is entirely possible for him to have become more relaxed while wearing an evil goatee since he succeeded at first with it, I do believe you are correct that he feels a lot more relaxed, here, in retrospect.

    Unvote

    I will wait for Mister Sep's claim before I vote for Mister Id, though I would also be in favor of lynching Miss Scarlet. ^^
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Mister Nacho, you'll note that I did actually address your point; your failure to read is not my prerogative. ^^

    As far as Mister Necarg's posting style goes, I will point out that he was V/LA for the first part of the game - it was only towards the end (his posts that I actually remember) that were "fast and loose".
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Quote from Seppel »
    Quote from BlueElectric »
    Mister Cyan's claim in The Wall Mafia should have gotten him lynched, and I did not believe him at the time of his claim, for the record.
    Why does that matter?


    I do not like my achievements going unnoticed. arms crossed

    Also, Mister Sep, correct me if I'm wrong - but did you just clear Mister Chilly for being a double voter when you just stated that we should stop clearing people for their claims? Eyebrow

    Quote from Seppel »
    Actually, if we're all on board with (3), we can skip (1) and move right on to (2).


    I have been waiting for you to claim for some time, now.

    Quote from Nachomamma8 »
    Why can't we just lynch Blue?


    Why would we lynch a good guy when we can lynch a bad guy, instead? ^^

    -

    @Mod: Why do you have me listed as voting for Mister Iso2? I am voting for Mister Necarg at present.

    On that note, I would really, really like to lynch Mister Necarg for being on literally every major wagon he has been around to vote on, as well as Mister Id for the reasons I outlined to Mister DC. ^^
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Quote from DCIII »
    @Blue - to your 1st point - you're either missing or talking past the point I was making. I'm not saying that you don't use a similar scum hunting method as both accounts, I'm saying that it's far fetched to assume that a player who hadn't played in a long time would recognize that you were the same person. Chris didn't and he's been playing here regularly. I didn't when I was first exposed to the account. So it's weird that you'd think that's a reason he'd know who you are.


    Given that Mister Chris did not reveal his lack of knowledge of my identity until later on, I do not see how that is a relevant factor to this. For all intents and purposes, I came into the game assuming that every player knew that I was Mister Iso, and that Miss Scarlet was Mister Wheat. I know that in my hiatuses from MafiaScum, I have come back strongly remembering the details of my previous game on the site. If I am wrong for holding other people to my own standards, so be it.

    Quote from DCIII »
    You also said you found that point of mine dishonest but your read on me changed positively - so, what's up?


    I want to hold on to this for the purpose of reading you in the future, but given the Electron Cloud QT, I imagine it is more sporting of me to out this now, as it is something that would eventually need to be discussed there, anyway. So, I am under the impression that the more ludicrous your case sounds on me, the more likely you are to be town. (Of course, saying this now invalidates this, but it is something that I picked up on in this game.) I believe that you as a bad guy would know when you no longer have the footing on which to push an invalid point and would cede that, but as town, I believe that you are more inclined to follow your gut and continue the push when you have been proven wrong.

    Quote from DCIII »
    2nd point - I agree that Id is scum. I'm still dubious that you'd think it likely at that time that Id would be trying to bait you into saying something scummy, especially if you thought he knew who you were. I'd think that a more natural thought would be either that he actually thought what you did was scummy or that he was scum. He doesn't read like a baiting kind of player, he's too green for that, and you've played with him before, so the mindset would have to be that Iso, as Blue, thinks that Id knows who he is, and is trying to bait a reaction out of him by calling his first post scummy. I'm trying to decide if this is one of those "Iso and DCIII don't see eye to eye" points or if I should trust my gut on it.


    Well obviously it is the former and not the latter. ^^ At any rate, Mister Id has played before, though I do not know the extent of his game history; that being said, I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility for players who have not refined their playstyles to the degree that, for example, you or I have, to resort to tactics such as RVS baiting. It is certainly a tactic that I favored more frequently in my earlier days as a player. Anyway, apples and oranges, Mister DC!

    Quote from DCIII »
    3rd point - I was at L-3 when you chimed in. Tammy had previously unvoted and then Chris. But what was the actual purpose of giving your opinion there? Because what I took from that was that you liked Nacho's case, but the wagon felt quick, and you didn't like Seppel or Necarg's votes on it. But that neither supports nor opposes the wagon so why did you think it was time sensitive to express that opinion?


    I must not have been following along very carefully, then - the last thing I recalled prior to my post was someone stating that you were at L-1, and I do not remember seeing any unvotes from your wagon up to the point where I made my post. Had you claimed by then? Perhaps I am chronologically mixing events up. Slant

    I am not certain why you feel that stating that I would have voted you is not me expressing support of the wagon on you - rather, it seems the exact opposite, to me. I felt that it was time-sensitive because I thought that you were at L-1 and I wished to advise of intent to hammer if I was not satisfied with your claim and subsequent follow-up. (Clearly, I was. ^^) As for my dislike for the speed of your wagon and the voters, I thought that there was a good chance that you would be the lynch toDay, and wanted other players to look into my interpretation of the events as they unfolded. As stated, I am a firm believer that my opinion holds more value than anybody else's, and my track record indicates that I am particularly adept at sniffing out the votes that bad guys cast on lynch wagons.

    Quote from DCIII »
    Where does your read on Wheat stand?


    Miss Scarlet is playing in such a manner that I believe her to be leaning towards being a bad guy in my worldview. Her recent interactions with Mister Id seem strange, and forced, and it feels as though she is not entirely focused on solving the game at present. I believe there was some earlier play of hers that had me scratching my head, as well, but I do not recall off-hand what it was.
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    I will not hold that against you, then, as I, too, am a sufferer of IRL syndrome. ^^
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Mister Chris, then what were you waiting for?

    Mister chilly, could you please make it a point to type more comprehensively? Thank you. ^^
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    So you had no intention of following through with the reading, initially?
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Mister Cyan's claim in The Wall Mafia should have gotten him lynched, and I did not believe him at the time of his claim, for the record.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    Blue: Does Necarg's play remind you of True Name mafia?


    I would certainly say so, Miss Scarlet - at least, at a quick glance. He is playing fast and loose, which is the vague impression that his play in True Name Mafia gave me.

    Quote from Sir Chris »
    I will read DC's scum game from true name and get back to that. Admittedly I have doubts going in anything I am going to see is on the level of scum recklessness that is going after me at -2, but we'll see.


    Did you ever do this? I no longer believe that Mister DC is a bad guy, but I would still like to know what your follow-up to this was, Mister Chris.

    Quote from Seppel »
    Oops.

    But DCIII vouches for Necarg being town, after having JUST played with him when they were both scum.

    For that reason, I cannot lynch Necarg. Even if DCIII is scum. It just read too genuine.

    And Hunger is town too.


    I have come around on Mister DC, but I am still not convinced about Mister Necarg. What makes you believe Mister Hunger is town? He seems nervous to me. ^^

    Quote from Nachomamma8 »
    @Blue: Not responding or having any reaction to DCIII's wallpost is a pretty serious misstep. I can't see you as town getting into the game and keeping support of the DC3 wagon without considering or reading his first major contribution to the game; sure, limited time and all that, but if you didn't have time to read the post and think about it, I think you'd be far more likely to acknowledge that instead of ignore it and keep pushing forward.


    Confused I felt the fact that I shifted my support to Mister Necarg's lynch was a pretty clear indicator that I am no longer in favor of lynching Mister DC. Was the subtext there too subtle, or do I need to illustrate my thoughts more meticulously for you to keep up? When I made the bulk of my smaller posts earlier, I was posting from my phone at work; however, the post volume became entirely too large for me to keep up via phone when my mobile browser does not block ads, and Mister DC's post was entirely too large for me to dissect using a touchscreen. I took what I needed from it, and I did not see the need to substantiate beyond that. Whatever you are reading into my limited posting window of opportunity is incorrect, I assure you. ^^

    Quote from Id_Ego »
    Iso pushing for the easy town lynch when he did also strengthens my scumread on him a bit.

    As it stands, I'm willing to lynch any of Iso2/Iso1/Id.


    You are willing to lynch yourself? Is that so? Is there a particular reason for that, or did you just slip?

    Also, to which lynch are you referring as "the easy town lynch"?

    Quote from Seppel »
    For the past few months, MTGS has been going through a state of clearing awful behavior based on claims, and I finally have a chance to deter that.


    Aside from the example of Mister Wheat in True Name Mafia and Mister Chris in Avant Garde Mafia, what are some other examples of this that you have seen recently? Or are those the only two to which you are referring?

    Quote from DCIII »
    Quote from BlueElectric »
    Mister DC, I believed Mister Id knew who I am identity-wise because of the gimmick silliness in the sign-up thread (and being as it is fairly common knowledge as to who Miss Blue is; I am unsure of how Mister Chris failed to pick up on that), as well as who I am playstyle-wise as a result of the game that he and I played together previously (Deitriptychos Mafia).


    Here's the thing about this response - the sign up thread makes sense. I wasn't even thinking about that because I've played with this account before... but then you keep going and you're talking about him knowing who you are playstyle wise, and based on the common knowledge of who you are and a game that you played together previously. I don't think your playstyle as this account is very similar to your playstyle as Iso. I remember not knowing who you were when we first played until I did I deep board dive and then Guardman outed it and I could confirm. Point being, I'm having trouble believing that you'd think that Id, who says he's making his return to mafia and hasn't played a game that I've seen, would recognize your playstyle under this account from having played with you previously. It's a bizarre thought process and feels like an over justification of a point that would have made more sense if it was just the sign up thread.


    Eyebrow Firstly, Mister DC, it is preposterous that you are saying, "You had a thorough thought regarding Mister Id's knowledge of your history together." I wish for you to take a moment to consider how utterly ridiculous that sounds. Secondly, as Deitriptychos Mafia is the last game that Mister Id played in, it stands to reason that he would be all the more familiar with my playstyle in general, as I was one of the last people he played with. ^^ Furthermore, my methodology as Miss Blue does not differ from that of Mister Iso - I am simply brash, belligerent, and at times, downright impolite as Mister Iso. As you are someone who has criticized my lack of team spirit as Mister Iso, I find it dishonest of you to not recognize the same tactics being employed in this game, albeit in a much gentler manner.

    Quote from DCIII »
    And it's the second point that's seemed like a far-fetched thought process regarding Id... because the idea that he'd have been baiting you to say something scummy after your first post which is a reason you didn't ask why he thought your post was scummy, especially if you thought he knew who you were, is another that I have a hard time thinking you'd think. And your whole thought process around that point was talking about how it would have been defending yourself which seems telling about your mindset there - but I wasn't curious about why you didn't defend yourself, I was curious about why you weren't curious.


    But that is the thing, Mister DC. I did not once consider that my opening post could be considered scummy, because I know it is not. My posts flow as I take in and process new content, and even in the Random Voting Stage, ESPECIALLY in the Random Voting Stage, I do not consider being accused of being a bad guy to be something even worth my consideration when I am a member of the town. Therefore, from my perspective, Mister Id could only have been baiting me for some sort of reaction. Given that he has not elucidated us even at this point as to what he believed was indicative of a bad guy's mindset in my initial post, I am still inclined to believe that his vote was merely posturing. ^^ His reasoning in support of his reads has been poor, so far, and even entirely lacking substance in a majority of instances. By not acknowledging his vote, I was nudging the ball back into his court, because as a good guy, one would more likely pick up the ball and throw it elsewhere if the baiting were unsuccessful, or they would follow through with questioning if they felt the player that they had voted (in this case, myself) were worthy of scrutiny.

    However, as Mister Id has performed neither of these actions, I can only assume that he does not share an alignment with me. ^^

    On a mildly different note, I believe I now have a foolproof method of reading you, Mister DC!

    Quote from DCIII »
    The soft push of my wagon was bad. You kept the momentum alive without taking a stance (and your response to Chris about that I didn't like as well, you know well that you don't have to vote there for it not to be a soft push, plus, I wasn't at L-1 when you chimed in. It wasn't a soft push because you didn't vote, it was a soft push because you nudged it along without diving into the content while simultaneously second guessing the votes on it.


    You most certainly were at L-1 at the time of my post - or at least I thought you were. As for the lack of substance to my post in question, my response for that is illustrated to Mister Nacho above. If there were not so many posts for me to comment on while posting from my mobile device, I would have happily dived into the fray and given my reasons for suspecting you. At that point, however, I did not wish to miss too much of what was going on, and it seemed important to lay out my opinion on you at the time of your wagon, whether with a vote, reasoning, skepticism as to how your wagon was built, or otherwise. You see, my opinion is highly valuable to any game of Mafia I play in, and as such, I am of the opinion (tee-hee!) that it should be expressed as often as possible. (And on that note, I am definitely letting myself down with how much time I have had to post, as of late. Frown ) As for my skepticism regarding the goodwill of the voters on your wagon, well, you know how the Electron Cloud works. I draw associations based on my assessments of the situations at hand. Town or not, there are certain votes on wagons that give me vibes. These vibes generally lead to a bad guy getting caught by my detective skills. ^^

    Quote from Sir Chris »
    Okay so I took a bit of a flyer on Hunger, he didn't really melt in front of me or anything so I'm willing to put slight misgivings aside. I've had an itch about blue for awhile now and... I don't know Blue just really comes off like he wants to appease me whenever I mention something negative. It contrasts with a supposed view of not needing to defend oneself. I'd like to see this one bleed.


    Miss Blue is a very agreeable person, unless she feels the need to bare her fangs. ^^ Miss Blue is also very self-centered, and enjoys talking about herself with other people, as it is the best way for her to get a gauge on how genuinely people are playing, with her own alignment as the foundation of her approach to their play.

    Now that I am no longer referring to myself in the third person, I must protest that we are at a point in the game where it is very detrimental to the town for me to not defend my actions, as if I do not, it will invariably lead to a town lynch. :3 If you would like, Mister Chris, I can now move my vote to you so that you may arbitrarily decide that I am town based on my cheekiness and turn your gaze elsewhere. It would certainly save us both some time, and rid me of a minor annoyance. ^^

    Quote from Sir Chris »
    Anyway I mentioned it previously how Blue's supposed "I don't mind if people are suspicious of me!" doesn't actually hold up very well with their play so far this game. I don't think this is something I can explain without context,so I'd urge you to look at when I've been critical of Blue this game and see their reaction and then note how they claim to not really care if they get suspicion early. I read Blue as being pretty quick to make sure there are no misunderstandings between us on multiple occasions. Like ... I don't think that's a bad thing in theory, but it is at odds with their supposed game play. On top of that I just haven't liked their suspicions and voting very much.


    I suppose I can see why you may think that. I believe that due to the transparency of the playstyle of Miss Blue's persona, I tend to express my thoughts in a more organic matter - you can see them developing as I type; whereas with Mister Iso's persona, I am all too ready to state my views as facts and tout them as such with reckless abandon, until I am given reason to believe otherwise. I also feel that I am more inclined to feel the need to explain myself more clearly as Miss Blue, because while my motives are meant to be easy to see, Miss Blue speaks with very flowery language, as opposed to the more direct vernacular that Mister Iso prefers to use. I believe that the need to explain myself stems from my concern that the difference in diction between Miss Blue and Mister Iso could lead to erroneous suspicions (such as what we are seeing you express now, Mister Chris) conceived of the perceived language alteration and being unused to Miss Blue's manner of speaking with the knowledge of Mister Iso's metagame. In short, Mister Chris (and this applies to you, as well, Mister DC), I forgive you for your faulty reads on me. ^^

    Whether or not I forgive Mister Nacho for bruising this gal's sensibilities by failing to take the context of the situation into consideration remains to be seen, however! Mad

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    @Misters Iso_II: Could you pretty please with sugar on top sign your posts? ^^ It would greatly aid in any attempt to parse your thoughts and distinguish them from that of your hydra mates'. As to answer your question, no, my implication was that Mister Necarg would be lynched, and that he would also be revealed to be a bad guy when such happened. Also, I assure you that Miss Blue speaks with no accent even slightly reminiscent of a particular region of the United States - she simply sounds like an adorable American gal.

    In what other games have you seen Mister Necarg wagon simply for the sake of wagoning? Also, you expressed a dislike of me. Why? Am I not charming enough for you? Do not hurt my feelings like that without substantiating your malicious claims! ^^
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  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    This game is, quite frankly, a mess at present. Shocked I will likely find time for an extensive post tomorrow night.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Battle For Vanillaville 2:Infernal Affairs WEREWOLVES TASTE VICTORY (GAME OVER)
    I have been turning it over in my mind and I have decided that I do not like Mister Necarg's wagoning for the sake of wagoning, as well as being the momentum vote on Mister DC's wagon.

    Unvote, Vote Necarg

    To answer outstanding questions/observations:

    Yes, Mister Chris, I do believe that Mister DC is, in fact, that crafty as a bad guy. ^^ Take a look at True Name Mafia, if you will, for an example of him performing mildly unconventional play for the sake of advancing his win condition. Also, you say that soft support for the wagon on Mister DC from me is bad - would you have preferred I voted for him while he was at L-1, which is at which point I checked in on the thread? Is that so? I assure you that my bite backs up my bark when it does not result in an untimely lynch through a questionable wagon.

    Mister Hunger, in my persona as Miss Blue, I do not know if you have noticed, but I am very polite and do not let my emotions get the best of me. ^^ I am a bundle of positivity, even in the throes of my snark, and it would be pointless to destroy the smiling face I have created for this mask by berating Mister Chris for poor Mafia Theory comprehension. So yes, while I am erring more on the side of non-aggression, I am still capable of expressing my viewpoints and catching scum, as you will no doubt soon find out.

    Mister DC, I believed Mister Id knew who I am identity-wise because of the gimmick silliness in the sign-up thread (and being as it is fairly common knowledge as to who Miss Blue is; I am unsure of how Mister Chris failed to pick up on that), as well as who I am playstyle-wise as a result of the game that he and I played together previously (Deitriptychos Mafia).
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