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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    I think I have said my entire role in the thread, but to be explicit and have it all in one place:

    I am Daenerys and I have a locked ability that unlocks if I get the throne and I have the passive ability to be able to vote myself for the Throne. Wincons are; kill 2 Baratheon's, which can't be achieved given Winds took credit for 2 of the 3, and control the Iron Throne more times than any other faction, which would also be unlikely given the game would need to go three more days AND one of the three of myself,Chris,xy would need to be alive and on the throne for that to happen. So I'm 100% town wincon with no other hidden agenda or alt wincons driving my focus.

    @Tom:
    Quote from tomsloger »
    From today:

    Already liked cantrip for town, but pending some poking around at the posts relating to claim i think the way he used it is extremely in line with towncantrip just trying to get some reads on people with it, whereas i think hed do something flashier with a scum crier role.

    I like rhands process to start the day as well. Have sort of just been... steadily feeling better about him ever since i tried to wagon him day 1 i think he might be one of my top towns pre reread

    Don't think anyone else said anything super noteworthy yet, besides a Thing related to Another Thing from factional chat, but im keeping that in reserve for now
    Is it time for this yet? I want all the possible information we can get before deciding on a lylo.
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    That would make a lot of sense.
    And Vaimes is scum for the Stark wincon to have a scum target. Having to lynch 2 town would be nuts.
    So last scum is KJ or Shin.
    It was already said that it could also be you that is the scum. And I think it's a pretty valid thought that Starks should have one non-town to be able to take out. But there is also a counterpoint to that - one of the Targaryen wincons is to kill 2 Baratheons and there were only 3 and they were all town. Which brings me to my next point - shadow confirmed that the factional scum NK performed by a Targaryen on a Baratheon would also count. So, for both the Starks and Targaryens I think it's almost certain there is a scum among them to counteract having to lynch multiple townies. It might even mean that you and Vaimes can both be town and the game was designed for this exact assumption to be a red herring. We have alt wincons of kill Stark v Lannister one side is all town one side has a scum; and we have Targaryen v Baratheon, one side is all town and one side has scum. Makes sense to me. Also makes sense that scum wouldn't have access to all 4 big faction chats. That's potentially an unfair wealth of info. I'm not sure which side of Lannister v Stark is the town side though...and Rhand/tom/Winds mucks it up a bit too since their affiliations are muddy.

    That said, I think in the Starks it's probably shin or KJ. In the Targaryens I think it is pretty much lock Chris. I have some tinfoil about xy being a scum dayvig since it being public and one-shot makes it a lot harder for him to do scummy things and get away with it (in before Sir Chris says, "exactly! he did a scummy thing!"). 1053 shot was bad, but I do have a tough time seeing it as a thing scum would do. If someone (Chris) can make a strong argument for how it makes sense as a scum shot I'll listen. Also, re:Chris, the BP just makes a ton of sense as a scum role if we are in the world as it seems with Winds SK and town vig shots in xy and Kami (and potentially something with me/KJ?). And finally with Chris, I agree with LnG, Cantrip, whoever else that the bravado just isn't doing anything for me. It doesn't feel like genuine frustration and he just hasn't been trying to solve.

    Still have more stuff later. Maybe not until tomorrow though. Can probably still pop in a couple times in the next couple hours.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Alright, finally made it through everything. I have a ton of notes that I need to organize and comment on, but a few things first off before I will be able to get to that.

    Is it possible that we got mod-confirmed lylo accounting for all Night action possibilities? And if so, why even give us that and not just let the game resolve. Like, is shadow telling us we don't have any/sufficient protection to stop the NKs? If so, why do that? The other alternative is he is telling us it's a 6 anti-town (probably 5 scum 1 SK) setup? But that wouldn't be game over going into tomorrow unless the scum kill is guaranteed to go through. Like, Winds could choose to not shoot or test the Chris claim and scum could get blocked and it would be 5v5v1 tomorrow in which scum don't have it on lock. It also doesn't account for possible throne unlock abilities that could change things. But again, why give us that info and not let us play the game? So basically I don't believe it has anything to do with what could or could not happen toNight with regards to kills/protections. Which means it's just a 6 man scum team? Winds, Shin, Tom, Vaimes, Chris, and GJ/LnG? That seems pretty ridiculous, but like I just can't figure out how/why shadow would possibly give us confirmed Night action info. Even if this tinfoil world were the case, why tell us there is a 6 man scum team anyway and not just let things resolve?

    I brought this up to shadow and unsurprisingly he said he couldn't confirm anything, but did say the announcement wasn't planned and was a matter of circumstance and that something similar happened in Pirates which I haven't read and don't have the time to look up right now. Has anyone read pirates or better yet participated in?

    I also really want a massclaim to happen before digging too much deeper, but also don't think it's probably worth waiting the 3 days it will probably take to happen. Pretty sure GJ hasn't posted toDay and he hasn't really claimed anything? Everyone else has some bit of a claim out I think?

    I have a lot more to come, but need lunch and to do some actual work.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Holy ***** lots of posts. Phone posting in bed and will have time to dig into this in the morning. Don't shoot or lynch anyone yet please.

    Also I am Dany, xy is one of the dragons which I think is either explicitly stated or heavily implied multiple times in thread. He literally can't shoot me mechanically.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Well, I'm out to pick up my daughter. I'm likely done for the Day. Hopefully cool stuff happens.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Observation: people arguing about house conditions, uncertain of alliances even within a theoretically unified group (is my housemate scum? this person is probably town, but are they against my faction?) etc is playing out very appropriately to the theme of the game. I love it.
    Exactly. I think I said as much in like my first or second post of the game.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    The double vote isn't as big of a deal though considering that ability goes away after the player total gets to < 50%

    And what's the worst possible thing that could happen if one of their abilities is guaranteed to go through? It's basically like having a one-shot strongman or ninja, no?
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Why can't tubba be scum with his ability? So scum can guarantee they get the throne once in the first half of the game? Doesn't sound too gamebreaking. Especially considering it's public knowledge who gets the throne. Scum can already sort of force a member onto the throne as long as one of them is reasonably towny and can get a couple town votes.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    I don't know if there is an explicit mechanical reason to disrupt it, but it could be argued you will be less likely to put in as high of an effort the rest of the game if you know you have already won. If I think you are town and want you to give it your all or if I were scum and you are scum with me, that could be incentive. Not saying I believe you personally would do that, but when someone is deciding whether to make that last ISO for a case they want to make or go to bed at midnight the day before a deadline...it could be factor if you already have a "win" secured. Depends on the person I suppose and how they view the alt wincons. Also the flavor - this is a specialty game with a cool as theme that has already played out somewhat the way I'm sure shadow was hoping for and if I can say **** you to an opposing faction while still progressing the game towards my wincons I'm for sure going to in the spirit of the flavor of the game.

    Also, I don't want the lynch on the counter wagon to Kami to happen because I don't believe it's a good lynch and it makes my alt wincons harder.

    And giving me the throne both helps my alt wincons and unlocks an ability for me.

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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Also, anyone that would like to disrupt the Lannisters alt wincon should vote me for the throne and/or vote Kami to lynch.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Quote from Rhand »
    I really don’t think lynching x=y toDay is a good idea.
    And neither is no lynching.

    vote Kami

    Getting convinced Vaimes is scum. But too late for that toDay :/
    Still disagree. It looks like Vaimes is just pushing his alt wincon.
    He most certainly is. What do you make of the fact I previously pointed out that he poo-poo'd people going for their alt wincons and then on the same page when he found out his alt wincon that he had secured was no longer secured he abandoned his vote in favor of his alt wincon.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Speaking of tom, did he say anything about being absent recently? He is always around and seems to be conveniently MIA while actual things need to happen after jumping from the lead wagon to a one-off.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    I think the only other wagons that would be viable are Tubba or Hunger, but don't think the votes are there 2-3 hours before deadline.
    Why do you think I am a viable wagon? Multiple people have mentioned liking me in the last few pages and I've never had more than two votes on me. I think same with Tubba actually.

    Rhand and Shin have been been primary wagons and probably still could be. Why leave them out?

    Pretty sure if you are going to say Tubba is viable the same could be said about KJ too. I think more people have said they don't have a town read on KJ and/or would vote him. Tom is currently.
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    @MOD - If an alternate wincon is achieved, will all players meeting that wincon receive notification upon completion?
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    EBWOP: @RE - ahh I see, two Baratheons have died. That's actually a good point. No, we haven't received confirmation of meeting our wincon. Which means that at the very least if HR was the scum kill it's very unlikely that there is a Targaryen on the scum team?
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  • posted a message on A Game of Thrones Mafia - Game Over - A Dream of Spring
    @RE - What's your point with Targs wanting Baratheon's dead? Like, if we do, what are you implying?

    I'm against an xy lynch still. His 1053 shot was bad, but until we have an idea where the extra kill came from, I don't want to lynch a potential town vig. We can probably just leash him tomorrow.
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