I said it before magical schools =/= Harry Potter and is a wider genre, though I think we will likely its influence as the most well known magical school. Ryperior74 even said it Tolarian was around before Harry Potter.
Also from everything we know so far this set looks to be a bottom up set and not a top down set. They wanted to do MDFC and at this point I'm certain its creatures/planeswalkers/permanents one side and instant and sorcery spells on the other side and a magical school would be a good place to show this off. You can have students learning spells, teachers teaching and legendary spell casts with signature spells. This will like more like Ravnica or Ikoria vs Theros or Innistrad.
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It likely will have tropes that appeared in Harry Potter (strix= owls, afterall), but I don't think there was ever a danger of them just trying to do a shot-for-shot remake of Hogwarts.
Student-age-wise it will probably be closer to The Magicians than Potter anyway.
long story short it’s not based in Harry Potter or any other magic school theme in anything
This will be 100% unqiue outside anything even tolarian academy
(Fun fact are tolarian academy was born before Harry Potter)
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone, published in 1997
Urza's Saga (not sure if that was the first time Tolarian Academy was mentioned though) was released in 1998
Even if you take into account that the design took place one year before, at best, they were invented at the same time. But considering that Rowling came up with the story before it was officially published...Looks like Potter WAS before Tolarian
Edit: The first time the players heard of Tolarian was in 1998, so Potter precedes. But perhaps you're tacit to additional facts I missed?
long story short it’s not based in Harry Potter or any other magic school theme in anything
This will be 100% unqiue outside anything even tolarian academy
(Fun fact are tolarian academy was born before Harry Potter)
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone, published in 1997
Urza's Saga (not sure if that was the first time Tolarian Academy was mentioned though) was released in 1998
Even if you take into account that the design took place one year before, at best, they were invented at the same time. But considering that Rowling came up with the story before it was officially published...Looks like Potter WAS before Tolarian
2 months from now: "Look at all of those magic school references in the non magic school set"
I fully expect a Deus Ex Machina counterspell that costs zero and wins you the game (as reference to Harry Potter) or a Maguffin (like in every other one).
Pessimistic or not I don't believe him for a second.
Relax, he didn't say anything about not using tropes. He's just saying it's not a reskin of an existing property. Like how Theros is a reskin of greek mythology rather than being their own take on mythology as a medium.
Will it have deus ex machina spells, and important objects to drive the story, and guilds/houses/dark wizards/fantastic beasts? Yes. Because this is their take on the genre and those are tropes that exist in the genre. He just literally means (and literally says) there isn't going to be reskins aka intentional parallel versions of any one of the existing magic school takes.
2 months from now: "Look at all of those magic school references in the non magic school set"
I fully expect a Deus Ex Machina counterspell that costs zero and wins you the game (as reference to Harry Potter) or a Maguffin (like in every other one).
Pessimistic or not I don't believe him for a second.
A game-winning counterspell is just a generalized duel trope. The I-won't-die part is seen on cards already with Stunning Reversal, so there's precedent there. There's also several thousand magical schools to run with, from the Earthsea series to even the almost-zero-magic X-Men, so you can point to a trope and it'll have been in several properties already. I'm guessing it'll be like Innistrad, which while a hodgepodge of tropes, isn't one particular franchise in particular.
All I can say is, there'd better be a card representing the headmaster, and it'd better be reviewed by The Professor (or The Instructor, if it's anything like Urza, Lord High Artificer...)
He just literally means (and literally says) there isn't going to be reskins aka intentional parallel versions of any one of the existing magic school takes.
A game-winning counterspell is just a generalized duel trope. The I-won't-die part is seen on cards already with Stunning Reversal, so there's precedent there. There's also several thousand magical schools to run with, from the Earthsea series to even the almost-zero-magic X-Men, so you can point to a trope and it'll have been in several properties already. I'm guessing it'll be like Innistrad, which while a hodgepodge of tropes, isn't one particular franchise in particular.
There's been rumors of them linking an SL of Strixhaven with Harry Potter I'm going to lean towards "more than references" in the set.
A game-winning counterspell is just a generalized duel trope. The I-won't-die part is seen on cards already with Stunning Reversal, so there's precedent there. There's also several thousand magical schools to run with, from the Earthsea series to even the almost-zero-magic X-Men, so you can point to a trope and it'll have been in several properties already. I'm guessing it'll be like Innistrad, which while a hodgepodge of tropes, isn't one particular franchise in particular.
There's been rumors of them linking an SL of Strixhaven with Harry Potter I'm going to lean towards "more than references" in the set.
Isn't that the same source that was saying we where getting an India Jones SL for Zendikar 3 and a Assassins Creed Valhalla SL for Kaldheim?
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I remember briefly seeing it once on the EDH RC's discord that Strixhaven takes more influence from Eastern magical schools settings instead of Western. Source was Sheldon Menery himself who stated he worked on Strixhaven.
long story short it’s not based in Harry Potter or any other magic school theme in anything
This will be 100% unqiue outside anything even tolarian academy
(Fun fact are tolarian academy was born before Harry Potter)
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone, published in 1997
Urza's Saga (not sure if that was the first time Tolarian Academy was mentioned though) was released in 1998
Even if you take into account that the design took place one year before, at best, they were invented at the same time. But considering that Rowling came up with the story before it was officially published...Looks like Potter WAS before Tolarian
Edit: The first time the players heard of Tolarian was in 1998, so Potter precedes. But perhaps you're tacit to additional facts I missed?
Lat-nam predates tolaria as it came to be by several sets.
There was also a wizards school on ulgrotha prior to urzas saga too
Fun fact: the actual Harry Potter TCG that Wizards made back in 2001 experienced a huge boom in the pandemic, the prices have doubled if not tripled for some of the rarer cards. They even made their first fan created set with original comissioned art and it's actually pretty well designed and it's doing good. I suspect this statement is purely because of JK Rowling and politics.
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Isn't that the same source that was saying we where getting an India Jones SL for Zendikar 3 and a Assassins Creed Valhalla SL for Kaldheim?
That was old information, yes, but WotC is looking to milk things as much as possible right now, which is why I don't trust Maro's words here. While my views are mostly in jest I only foresee Harry Potter in my head when I think of Stryxhaven, and I hate Harry Potter. It is a story of plot devices, deus ex machinas, a boring protagonist, and an even more boring magic system. Is that wrong to compare HP to an MtG set not released? Sure, but at least I know it.
Relax, he didn't say anything about not using tropes. He's just saying it's not a reskin of an existing property. Like how Theros is a reskin of greek mythology rather than being their own take on mythology as a medium.
Will it have deus ex machina spells, and important objects to drive the story, and guilds/houses/dark wizards/fantastic beasts? Yes. Because this is their take on the genre and those are tropes that exist in the genre. He just literally means (and literally says) there isn't going to be reskins aka intentional parallel versions of any one of the existing magic school takes.
The problem here is that people already associate wizard schools with things outside of MTG. I am reluctant to say that this won't feel like Harry Potter or something similar, because humans are creatures that observe patterns and make associations based on them.
Really, there isn't a good way to do this without it having a Harry Potter feel anymore than it is possible to remove Mindflayers from the feel of Cthulu, Theros from Greek Mythos, Ixalan from Un'Goro, etc.
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Breath of Fire II featured a "magic school" which allowed you to craft different magics with various elements, and that predated Harry Potter, so Schools of Magic are not exclusive to a particular pop culture phenomenon whether stated or otherwise.
I'm curious to see how this unfolds and the lore/design/world connectivity it has behind it. They say there's no reskin but honestly how can you not do a reskin of a concept that's been done many times before in some form or another?
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I'm happy about this, and I hope they actually mean it. Although Harry Potter has some fun things (Giant Basilisk in the chambers beneath the school), none of which are really anything I would like to see in MtG.
Breath of Fire II featured a "magic school" which allowed you to craft different magics with various elements, and that predated Harry Potter, so Schools of Magic are not exclusive to a particular pop culture phenomenon whether stated or otherwise.
I'm curious to see how this unfolds and the lore/design/world connectivity it has behind it. They say there's no reskin but honestly how can you not do a reskin of a concept that's been done many times before in some form or another?
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Ah, a video game reference! I also remember a PS2 game called GrimGrimoire that also featured a magic school setting, but the rather than magic houses, students were specialized by magic type (sorcery, glamour, alchemy, etc.)
It is possible to avoid using Harry Potter as a reference if they researched other Magic School stories. But, if the students have to use a magic wand that looks like it is from the Harry Potter movies to cast spells, then the association with Harry Potter is unavoidable.
I also think that Maro is backpedalling. Harry Potter is one of the most popular magic school world stories in the last decade, so how can WotC not use ideas from that world?
I liked the first few Harry Potter books as a kid but the weird fanaticism of "Harry Potter people" today is very creepy. I'm glad we're avoiding this merger.
Did you guys read Maro's response? Strixhaven is "not just a reskinning of any one version," which leaves it fairly open to borrow from any number of sources. Just like every other set.
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long story short it’s not based in Harry Potter or any other magic school theme in anything
This will be 100% unqiue outside anything even tolarian academy
Update: now strixhaven is confirmed a bottom up set as well
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/642897028191567872/is-strixhaven-top-down-or-bottom-up
To define that for newbies they start with the mechanics and cards and make the world based on the cards
Also from everything we know so far this set looks to be a bottom up set and not a top down set. They wanted to do MDFC and at this point I'm certain its creatures/planeswalkers/permanents one side and instant and sorcery spells on the other side and a magical school would be a good place to show this off. You can have students learning spells, teachers teaching and legendary spell casts with signature spells. This will like more like Ravnica or Ikoria vs Theros or Innistrad.
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Student-age-wise it will probably be closer to The Magicians than Potter anyway.
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Harry Potter and the Philosopher's stone, published in 1997
Urza's Saga (not sure if that was the first time Tolarian Academy was mentioned though) was released in 1998
Even if you take into account that the design took place one year before, at best, they were invented at the same time. But considering that Rowling came up with the story before it was officially published...Looks like Potter WAS before Tolarian
Edit: The first time the players heard of Tolarian was in 1998, so Potter precedes. But perhaps you're tacit to additional facts I missed?
Yep your right
close though
I fully expect a Deus Ex Machina counterspell that costs zero and wins you the game (as reference to Harry Potter) or a Maguffin (like in every other one).
Pessimistic or not I don't believe him for a second.
Will it have deus ex machina spells, and important objects to drive the story, and guilds/houses/dark wizards/fantastic beasts? Yes. Because this is their take on the genre and those are tropes that exist in the genre. He just literally means (and literally says) there isn't going to be reskins aka intentional parallel versions of any one of the existing magic school takes.
They're saving those for the Secret Lairs
There's been rumors of them linking an SL of Strixhaven with Harry Potter I'm going to lean towards "more than references" in the set.
Isn't that the same source that was saying we where getting an India Jones SL for Zendikar 3 and a Assassins Creed Valhalla SL for Kaldheim?
"You can tell how dumb someone is by how they use Mary Sue"
Lat-nam predates tolaria as it came to be by several sets.
There was also a wizards school on ulgrotha prior to urzas saga too
That was old information, yes, but WotC is looking to milk things as much as possible right now, which is why I don't trust Maro's words here. While my views are mostly in jest I only foresee Harry Potter in my head when I think of Stryxhaven, and I hate Harry Potter. It is a story of plot devices, deus ex machinas, a boring protagonist, and an even more boring magic system. Is that wrong to compare HP to an MtG set not released? Sure, but at least I know it.
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/642897028191567872/is-strixhaven-top-down-or-bottom-up
That means they start with the mechanics and cards and make the world based on the cards/mechanics
The problem here is that people already associate wizard schools with things outside of MTG. I am reluctant to say that this won't feel like Harry Potter or something similar, because humans are creatures that observe patterns and make associations based on them.
Really, there isn't a good way to do this without it having a Harry Potter feel anymore than it is possible to remove Mindflayers from the feel of Cthulu, Theros from Greek Mythos, Ixalan from Un'Goro, etc.
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I'm curious to see how this unfolds and the lore/design/world connectivity it has behind it. They say there's no reskin but honestly how can you not do a reskin of a concept that's been done many times before in some form or another?
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Ah, a video game reference! I also remember a PS2 game called GrimGrimoire that also featured a magic school setting, but the rather than magic houses, students were specialized by magic type (sorcery, glamour, alchemy, etc.)
It is possible to avoid using Harry Potter as a reference if they researched other Magic School stories. But, if the students have to use a magic wand that looks like it is from the Harry Potter movies to cast spells, then the association with Harry Potter is unavoidable.
I also think that Maro is backpedalling. Harry Potter is one of the most popular magic school world stories in the last decade, so how can WotC not use ideas from that world?
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