8 didn't they only do 4 last time wonder if they value goes down.
8 decks per display does not mean 8 different decks, in case that's your question.
Generally speaking, most preconstructed/curated MTG products start out awesome, then they get slowly and gradually watered down, then discontinued and replaced by something else that follows the same trajectory. It happened with FTV, Commander, Duel Decks, Event Decks and Clash Packs, and it is likely to happen with Challenger Decks and Spellbooks as well.
Now this is only the second set of Challenger decks, so I expect it to still be great. But I do expect the 2023 edition to be terrible.
I hope I'm wrong.
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Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
Challenger decks are probably one of the best products WotC made in recent times.
I have to say that a second run of those is really welcome, especially if like in the previous run they have a decent number of sought-after cards.
Yet... Hoping that one will not be another red-deck-win.
Bant Turbofog as an excuse to reprint Nexus of Fate?
Followed by a vocal minority shat-storming WotC about how they reprinted a special card and that buy-a-box shouldn’t be reprinted to keep them special, followed by WotC never reprinting them and double-downing on exclusive items.
And this will happen even if Nexus is just a single copy and just in one deck.
I want to be wrong about this...but i have a feeling I won’t.
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B/G Explore seems like a shoe-in: Most of the hyper-valuable cards are things that are going to rotate in 5 months after release so they can cram it with value (Jadelight Ranger as a three or four-of, a copy or two of Vivien Reid and Vraska's Contempt, maybe even a Carnage Tyrant). It's a popular archetype that is easy to pick-up and easy to upgrade, especially since they can include 0-1 copies of Overgrown Tomb, Assassin's Trophy, and Vraska, Golgari Queen to try and get folks excited to crack GRA packs still.
I imagine White Weenie will be our Aggro deck of the year. Again, lots of the most expensive parts are rotating so we can see them throw in multiples of Legion's Landing (or maybe not because of how hard double-sided cards are in a one-shot release like this), History of Benalia, Benalish Marshal, Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants with some sideboard Settle the Wreckage and maybe even a copy or two of Lyra Dawnbringer at the top-end. Mono-red aggro is more popular, but we had a mono-red aggro deck last year and a lot of its key pieces aren't rotating.
After that it gets hard. Izzet Drakes and Grixis Disinformation Campaign Control are both decks that could easily be competitive without expensive mythics, but most of the star pieces don't rotate this coming fall which feels like a major criteria for WotC to feel good about reprints. Ditto for Selesnya Tokens except that deck does actually rely on a bunch of mythics. Meanwhile, Jeskai Control and Bant Tuperfog could be built with a bunch of rotating pieces but I'll eat my hat if they build a deck and actually include Teferi, Hero of Dominaria even as a one-of, nevermind Nexus of Fate. Mono-blue tempo is an easy inclusion, but you'd basically have to just give people the stock decklist for it to be good value which means there is no room to upgrade.
My suspicion/hope is that we're going to get Grixis Control anyways, probably with the surveil theme watered down to encourage buying packs, and that our final deck is Naya Dinosaurs that basically just tries to make dinosaurs a thing on the back of Rhythm of the Wild.
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Generally speaking, most preconstructed/curated MTG products start out awesome, then they get slowly and gradually watered down, then discontinued and replaced by something else that follows the same trajectory. It happened with FTV, Commander, Duel Decks, Event Decks and Clash Packs, and it is likely to happen with Challenger Decks and Spellbooks as well.
Um. The distantly-best Clash Pack, of the 3, was the *last* one. That was the one with Windswept Heath, Collected company, Siege Rhino...
Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...
Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...
This is in fact the better trajectory of the GAME part of the game. Obviously if the market is destroyed, there is no telling what would happen, but the emergent concept of value in a game like this should not really be relevant to the gameplay (I know it is, I just don't think it should be).
How much was Chandra on the secondary market before it was reprinted in the last one of these? That should give us a sense of how likely Teferi is to appear.
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Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...
It's almost like people want other to be able to play the game as high secondary market prices do not automatically mean a healthy game.
Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...
It's almost like people want other to be able to play the game as high secondary market prices do not automatically mean a healthy game.
And over the long terms its proving to be worse. It use to be a card had to prove its worth a higher price through proven play. Now every single PW is $40+ out the gate before any one actually plays with them. Even if said walker doesn’t even fit with any deck or works with anything.
The dumbest part is people grinding to be a pro magic player when that doesn’t mean shat in life. If we didn’t have fools trying to life a false dream and paying those prices cards would be at the price they should be at, nothing more than $20.
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And over the long terms its proving to be worse. It use to be a card had to prove its worth a higher price through proven play. Now every single PW is $40+ out the gate before any one actually plays with them. Even if said walker doesn’t even fit with any deck or works with anything.
The dumbest part is people grinding to be a pro magic player when that doesn’t mean shat in life. If we didn’t have fools trying to life a false dream and paying those prices cards would be at the price they should be at, nothing more than $20.
Inflated preorder prices are the norm for most cards. Saying that every planeswalker starts at $40 is pure hyperbole, at least nowadays. Some do, such as Karn, Scion of Urza. This set's 'walkers are less than $20 the weekend of the prerelease. You also conveniently leave out that there are many people who are unwilling to pay the crazy prices you're complaining about, so the prices of unproven (and some proven) cards always drop unless they become all-stars like Teferi, Hero of Dominaria or Arclight Phoenix.
Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...
Gee, remember when this game was about, you know, actually playing and trading and getting the cards you need for your deck? OKandrew clearly doesn't.
I think I've learned to treat Magic cards like baseball cards: keep 'em in a binder in numerical order, don't play with 'em, try to finish the set and just keep my head down.
When less people play because of higher costs, prize pools diminish. So really the only ********s who actually want card prices to soar are people who don't play the game.
Why do people continue love the prices of Standard legal cards to tank further? Does anyone else really not notice that most sets can't even produce a rare/mythic AT LEAST hold the value of the cost of the pack... That's honestly pretty sad...
Because most of us want the game to be affordable. How is this even a question?
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The article on the mothership today about the Oracle text errata for Ajani's Pridemate mentions the card is in one of the Challenger decks. I would assume White Weenie or something akin to the B/W Vampires starter deck on Arena (hopefully not the latter).
I hope Teferi's in one of them so I can pick up some more. I got mine at $13 (lol!) and I'm not paying $50 for another.
In Gavin’s interview with the Professor, he was torn about saying the answer. He seemed to want to say yes, but obviously can’t. He also mentioned how the Chandra/Hazoret challenger deck was the ‘IT’ deck when they announced them. I don’t think he wanted to say yes that Teferi is one of the decks and over hype it and make it automatically the ‘IT’ deck. He probably wants the other decks to get a fair chance.
The other challenger deck got a fair chance since we didn’t know Chandra was in one ahead of time. If people did, nobody would have bothered to give the other decks a glance.
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Don't have much more than that, just wanted to let you know.
edit - MSRP is $239.92. I should've mentioned that originally.
Generally speaking, most preconstructed/curated MTG products start out awesome, then they get slowly and gradually watered down, then discontinued and replaced by something else that follows the same trajectory. It happened with FTV, Commander, Duel Decks, Event Decks and Clash Packs, and it is likely to happen with Challenger Decks and Spellbooks as well.
Now this is only the second set of Challenger decks, so I expect it to still be great. But I do expect the 2023 edition to be terrible.
I hope I'm wrong.
Stay reasonable, be mindful of your expectations and don't feed the trolls.
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I have to say that a second run of those is really welcome, especially if like in the previous run they have a decent number of sought-after cards.
Yet... Hoping that one will not be another red-deck-win.
Bant Turbofog as an excuse to reprint Nexus of Fate?
Followed by a vocal minority shat-storming WotC about how they reprinted a special card and that buy-a-box shouldn’t be reprinted to keep them special, followed by WotC never reprinting them and double-downing on exclusive items.
And this will happen even if Nexus is just a single copy and just in one deck.
I want to be wrong about this...but i have a feeling I won’t.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
I imagine White Weenie will be our Aggro deck of the year. Again, lots of the most expensive parts are rotating so we can see them throw in multiples of Legion's Landing (or maybe not because of how hard double-sided cards are in a one-shot release like this), History of Benalia, Benalish Marshal, Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants with some sideboard Settle the Wreckage and maybe even a copy or two of Lyra Dawnbringer at the top-end. Mono-red aggro is more popular, but we had a mono-red aggro deck last year and a lot of its key pieces aren't rotating.
After that it gets hard. Izzet Drakes and Grixis Disinformation Campaign Control are both decks that could easily be competitive without expensive mythics, but most of the star pieces don't rotate this coming fall which feels like a major criteria for WotC to feel good about reprints. Ditto for Selesnya Tokens except that deck does actually rely on a bunch of mythics. Meanwhile, Jeskai Control and Bant Tuperfog could be built with a bunch of rotating pieces but I'll eat my hat if they build a deck and actually include Teferi, Hero of Dominaria even as a one-of, nevermind Nexus of Fate. Mono-blue tempo is an easy inclusion, but you'd basically have to just give people the stock decklist for it to be good value which means there is no room to upgrade.
My suspicion/hope is that we're going to get Grixis Control anyways, probably with the surveil theme watered down to encourage buying packs, and that our final deck is Naya Dinosaurs that basically just tries to make dinosaurs a thing on the back of Rhythm of the Wild.
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WGBDoran: Ent-mootWBG
GGGMultani: Group Bear HugGGG
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RGWGahiji, the Honored Group Hug MonsterRGW
UB(U/B)Yuriko, Ninja Trinket AggroUB(U/B)
WUBRGAtogatog: Assembling a OHKOWUBRG
Um. The distantly-best Clash Pack, of the 3, was the *last* one. That was the one with Windswept Heath, Collected company, Siege Rhino...
This is in fact the better trajectory of the GAME part of the game. Obviously if the market is destroyed, there is no telling what would happen, but the emergent concept of value in a game like this should not really be relevant to the gameplay (I know it is, I just don't think it should be).
How much was Chandra on the secondary market before it was reprinted in the last one of these? That should give us a sense of how likely Teferi is to appear.
It's almost like people want other to be able to play the game as high secondary market prices do not automatically mean a healthy game.
And over the long terms its proving to be worse. It use to be a card had to prove its worth a higher price through proven play. Now every single PW is $40+ out the gate before any one actually plays with them. Even if said walker doesn’t even fit with any deck or works with anything.
The dumbest part is people grinding to be a pro magic player when that doesn’t mean shat in life. If we didn’t have fools trying to life a false dream and paying those prices cards would be at the price they should be at, nothing more than $20.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B
Inflated preorder prices are the norm for most cards. Saying that every planeswalker starts at $40 is pure hyperbole, at least nowadays. Some do, such as Karn, Scion of Urza. This set's 'walkers are less than $20 the weekend of the prerelease. You also conveniently leave out that there are many people who are unwilling to pay the crazy prices you're complaining about, so the prices of unproven (and some proven) cards always drop unless they become all-stars like Teferi, Hero of Dominaria or Arclight Phoenix.
Gee, remember when this game was about, you know, actually playing and trading and getting the cards you need for your deck? OKandrew clearly doesn't.
Because most of us want the game to be affordable. How is this even a question?
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BBB MBC
WUR Control
WWW Prison
RRR Goblins
Legacy
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UBG B/U/G Control
UWU StoneBlade
UW Miracle Control
Spirits
In Gavin’s interview with the Professor, he was torn about saying the answer. He seemed to want to say yes, but obviously can’t. He also mentioned how the Chandra/Hazoret challenger deck was the ‘IT’ deck when they announced them. I don’t think he wanted to say yes that Teferi is one of the decks and over hype it and make it automatically the ‘IT’ deck. He probably wants the other decks to get a fair chance.
The other challenger deck got a fair chance since we didn’t know Chandra was in one ahead of time. If people did, nobody would have bothered to give the other decks a glance.
BAfter the lights go out on you, after your worthless life is through. I will remember how you scream...B