Just used the emrakul guys just to fit the Titan on Innistrad
Ten seems to be a reasonable number given Emrakul at 6 the naming system of Eldrazi verber that seemed to be present in the recent eldrazi naming system. We may get a few Devoid critters but I think most will end up with the Horror subtype over the Eldrazi subtype due to being mutated and not part of the brood.
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To me, 10 seems low. In Oath, #6 started with M (Matter Reshaper) and there were 12 total cards before the first white-cost card. Here #6 starts with E. And things named like "Emrakul's ____" will be 7+. Sure, it could be just disproportionately front-of-alphabet-loaded, with 5 such colorless-cost-nonartifact cards from A through just-before-Emrakul. But 10 seems awfully conservative when "Emrakul, the..." is #6.
But Oath had a heavy focus on Eldrazi and Colourless matters. Emrakul doesn't really create a lot spawn or scions she modifies existing things. I think we're more likely to see coloured eldrazi like we did back in ROE, or potentially devoid.
To me, 10 seems low. In Oath, #6 started with M (Matter Reshaper) and there were 12 total cards before the first white-cost card. Here #6 starts with E. And things named like "Emrakul's ____" will be 7+. Sure, it could be just disproportionately front-of-alphabet-loaded, with 5 such colorless-cost-nonartifact cards from A through just-before-Emrakul. But 10 seems awfully conservative when "Emrakul, the..." is #6.
You may be right, but Emrakul only just got to Innistrad. I feel the set will focus more on the mutations of the Innistrad's residents over introducing new Eldrazi horrors. We will see
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But Oath had a heavy focus on Eldrazi and Colourless matters. Emrakul doesn't really create a lot spawn or scions she modifies existing things. I think we're more likely to see coloured eldrazi like we did back in ROE, or potentially devoid.
That was my thinking too.. until we saw Emrakul was #6. The fact that there are seemingly five other colorless-cost nonartifact cards we haven't seen yet from A to before-Emrakul alphabetically kinda flies in the face of that theory. In any group of ~10 cards without any implicit reason not to be evenly distributed throughout the alphabet, it would be unlikely for the sixth one alphabetically to be as early as "E". If there are five before Em, there are likely another 7+ after Em, unless that group is overwhelmingly alphabetically top heavy.
But Oath had a heavy focus on Eldrazi and Colourless matters. Emrakul doesn't really create a lot spawn or scions she modifies existing things. I think we're more likely to see coloured eldrazi like we did back in ROE, or potentially devoid.
I personally don't think they'll dump Devoid so quickly, considering they considered it to be "the Eldrazi indicator" (which means Colored Eldrazi are in a sense, a mistake now). Technically we're still in the early stages of an Eldrazi invading the plane and Emrakul in particular creates her brood by warping the already denizens of the plane to them, but the property of an Eldrazi-Minion is still largely being colorless.
I know it's a bit too early to jump to conclusions, but based on Hanweir, the Writhing Township, I'm actually expecting most of the Eldrazi-related mutations to involve the DFCs, colored on one-side, colorless on the other (because Devoid is sort of pointless on the other side).
But Oath had a heavy focus on Eldrazi and Colourless matters. Emrakul doesn't really create a lot spawn or scions she modifies existing things. I think we're more likely to see coloured eldrazi like we did back in ROE, or potentially devoid.
I personally don't think they'll dump Devoid so quickly, considering they considered it to be "the Eldrazi indicator" (which means Colored Eldrazi are in a sense, a mistake now). Technically we're still in the early stages of an Eldrazi invading the plane and Emrakul in particular creates her brood by warping the already denizens of the plane to them, but the property of an Eldrazi-Minion is still largely being colorless.
I know it's a bit too early to jump to conclusions, but based on Hanweir, the Writhing Township, I'm actually expecting most of the Eldrazi-related mutations to involve the DFCs, colored on one-side, colorless on the other (because Devoid is sort of pointless on the other side).
I agree with that most of the eldrazis will just be mutations
But reminder any one that requires a color to pay for it will be higher than 10 of the 203
For in this case the front side of this (the main thing) is red (most likely)
So at least 5 between 9 will be non flip, pure breed, and colorless eldrazis, well most likely anyway. some of them can be just colorless removal spells. And those can also be flip mutations
come on lightning bolt lol.......and on a more likely note I fell like we will get less colorless cards then 10, I'm thinking 8.
Even though #6 is Emrakul and #7 is quite likely Emrakul's Something (There was an Ulamog's Something and Kozilek's Something in the past two Eldrazi-titan sets)... you're expecting that there is only one more item from the rest of the alphabet when there were seven items in the first less-than-20% of the alphabet? Emrakul really likes the first five letters of the alphabet that much more than the last 21 letters?
In magic's history, less than a third of cards have started with letters A through E (4352 of 15919). It's quite unlikely that virtually all of the colorless cards in this set are bunched up before the letter F.
How about we all just wait and see what the spoilers tell us, eh? It's far to early to get any sort of accurate numbers and distribution so arguing over it really will get us no where. Spoiler season starts next week, by the end of next week we will be able to better predict the color breakdown.
EDIT: Here is a bit of food for thought on the colorless cards front. BFZ had 17 cards with a colorless color identity and OGW had 12, both of which were more Eldrazi focused than EMN is rumored to be.
EDIT: Here is a bit of food for thought on the colorless cards front. BFZ had 17 colorless and OGW had 12, both of which were more Eldrazi focused than EMN is rumored to be.
They both had way more colorless cards than that. They were just colorless cards that had colors in their mana costs and thus were placed among the colors in number sorting, thus distributed throughout the number crunch. EMN isn't doing Devoid, so basically all of its colorless cards will be either before White in the numbering, or the flipsides of DFCs (as we've already seen in Hanweir).
EDIT: Here is a bit of food for thought on the colorless cards front. BFZ had 17 colorless and OGW had 12, both of which were more Eldrazi focused than EMN is rumored to be.
They both had way more colorless cards than that. They were just colorless cards that had colors in their mana costs and thus were placed among the colors in number sorting, thus distributed throughout the number crunch. EMN isn't doing Devoid, so basically all of its colorless cards will be either before White in the numbering, or the flipsides of DFCs (as we've already seen in Hanweir).
Allow me to clarify, then: had a colorless color identity. While there were other colorless cards, through devoid, there were few cards with a colorless color identity.
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come on lightning bolt lol.......and on a more likely note I fell like we will get less colorless cards then 10, I'm thinking 8.
Even though #6 is Emrakul and #7 is quite likely Emrakul's Something (There was an Ulamog's Something and Kozilek's Something in the past two Eldrazi-titan sets)... you're expecting that there is only one more item from the rest of the alphabet when there were seven items in the first less-than-20% of the alphabet? Emrakul really likes the first five letters of the alphabet that much more than the last 21 letters?
In magic's history, less than a third of cards have started with letters A through E (4352 of 15919). It's quite unlikely that virtually all of the colorless cards in this set are bunched up before the letter F.
With Emrakul and Hanweir, it seems that the number 13 has a key role in EMN (well it always had an importance on Innistrad). I think that there will be 13 colorless cards (before white in the number crunch), and maybe even 13 double faced cards that have a colorless eldrazi back (but it seems a lot).
I supose triskaidekaphobia is a hint for 13 colorless eldrazis (pure breed or flip I'm ok either way.)
We know the first colored eldrazi is immensely likely to be red according to are number chart. (By colored I mean colored whatever on one side colorless eldrazi on the other.)
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15/75 Common 20/69 Uncommon 46/47 Rare 14/14 Mythic Note these numbers are NOT confirmed
Guide:
Bold is confirmed number
Italics with card link unconfirmed English name or unknown collector number
italics only just card name
C Colourless C 1 C 1 U 3R 2M
1
2 Decimator of the Provinces M
3 Distended Mindbender R
4
5 Elder Deep-Fiend R
6 Emrakul, the Promised End M
7 Eternal Scourge R
8
9 Lashweed Lurker U
10
11
12 Wretched Gryff C
W White W 1 C 4 U 8 R 2 M
13 Blessed Alliance U
14
15 Bruna, the Fading Light R / Brisela, Voice of Nightmares M
16
17 Collective Forces R
18 Courageous Outrider U
19 Dawn Gryff C
20 Deploy the Gatewatch M
21
22
23
24 Extricator of Sin
25
26
27
28 Gisela, the Broken Blade M /Brisela, Voice of Nightmares
29
30
31
32
33 Lone Rider / It That Rides as One U
34 Long Road Home U
35
36 Peace of Mind U
37 Providence R
38
39 Sanctifier of Souls R
40 Selfless Spirit R
41 Sigarda's Aid R
42
43
44
45
46 Thalia, Heretic Cathar R
47 Thalia's Lancers R
U Blue U 3 C 5 U 7 R 1 M
48
49
50 Chilling Grasp U
51 Coax from the Blind Eternities R
52
53
54 Curious Homunculus / Voracious Reader U
55
56 Docent of Perfection / Final Iteration R
57
58
59
60
61 Fortune's Favor U
62
63 Grizzled Angler / Grisly Anglerfish U
64 Identity Thief R
65 Imprisoned in the Moon R
66 Ingenious Skaab C
67
68
69 Mausoleum Wanderer R
70 Mind's Dilation m
71
72 Niblis of Frost R
73
74
75 Summary Dismissal R
76 Take Inventory C
77
78 Turn Aside C
79 Unsubstantiate U
80 Wharf Infiltrator R
B Black B 5 C 3 U 7 R 2 M
81
82 Borrowed Malevolence C
83 Cemetery Recruitment C
84
85 Collective Brutality R
86 Cryptbreaker R
87 Dark Salvation R
88
89
90
91 Graf Rats C Chittering Host
92 Haunted Dead U
93 Liliana, the Last Hope M
94
95
96 Midnight Scavengers / C Chittering Host
97 Murder U
98 Noosegraf Mob R
99 Oath of Liliana R
100 Olivia's Dragoon C
101
102
103
104
105 Stromkirk Condemned R
106
107
108
109 Tree of Perdition M
110
111 Voldaren Pariah R Abolisher of Bloodlines R
112
113
114 Whispers of Emrakul U
115
R Red R 3 C 2 U 5 R 2 M
116
117 Assembled Alphas R
118
119
120 Bedlam Reveler R
121
122
123 Collective Defiance R
124
125
126
127 Falkenwrath Reaver C
128
129 Galvanic Bombardment C
130 Hanweir Garrison R / Hanweir, the Writhing Township R
131 Harmless Offering R
132
133 Incendiary Flow U
134
135
136 Mirrorwing Dragon M
137 Nahiri's Wrath M
138
139
140
141
142 Smoldering Werewolf U Erupting Dreadwolf U
143
144
145
146 Stromkirk Occultist R
147
148 Vidlin-Pack Outcast C Dronepack Kindred C
G Green G 3 C 3 U 6 R 1 M
149
150
151
152
153
154
155 Eldritch Evolution R
156 Emrakul's Evangel R
157 Emrakul's Influence U
158
159 Gnarlwood Dryad U
160 Grapple with the Past C
161
162 Ishkanah, Grafwidow M
163 Kessig Prowler U Sinuous Predator U
164 Noose Constrictor U
165 Permeating Mass R
166 Prey Upon C
167
168
169
170 Spirit of the Hunt R
171 Stunning Growth R
172
173
174
175 Ulvenwald Captive / Ulvenwald Abomination C
176 Ulvenwald Observer R
177
178 Wolfkin Bond C
179
180
(W/U) Multicolored (B/R) C 4 U 3 R 4 M
181 Bloodhall Priest R
182 Campaign of Vengeance U
183 Gisa and Geralf M
184 Grim Flayer M
185 Heron's Grace Champion R
186 Mecurial Geists U
187 Mournwillow U
188 Ride Down U
189 Spell Queller R
190 Tamiyo, Field Researcher M
191 Ulrich of the Krallenhorde / Ulrich, Uncontested Alpha M
1 Artifacts 1 C 1 U 3 R M
192
193 Cryptolith Fragment U / Aurora of Emrakul U
194
195
196
197 Lupine Prototype R
198
199 Soul Separator R
200 Stitcher's Graft R
0 Lands 0 C 1 U 2 R M
201
202
203 Geier Reach Sanitarium R
204 Hanweir Battlements R
205 Nephalia Academy U
Or should I say 10 non mutated eldrazis
(Examples of what type of eldrazis I mean Emrakul's hatcher,Hand of emrakul,Vestige of emrakul.)
Just used the emrakul guys just to fit the Titan on Innistrad
Ten seems to be a reasonable number given Emrakul at 6 the naming system of Eldrazi verber that seemed to be present in the recent eldrazi naming system. We may get a few Devoid critters but I think most will end up with the Horror subtype over the Eldrazi subtype due to being mutated and not part of the brood.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
You may be right, but Emrakul only just got to Innistrad. I feel the set will focus more on the mutations of the Innistrad's residents over introducing new Eldrazi horrors. We will see
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
That was my thinking too.. until we saw Emrakul was #6. The fact that there are seemingly five other colorless-cost nonartifact cards we haven't seen yet from A to before-Emrakul alphabetically kinda flies in the face of that theory. In any group of ~10 cards without any implicit reason not to be evenly distributed throughout the alphabet, it would be unlikely for the sixth one alphabetically to be as early as "E". If there are five before Em, there are likely another 7+ after Em, unless that group is overwhelmingly alphabetically top heavy.
Add 130 to th board
This is the flip side so probably red on the opposite side.
I personally don't think they'll dump Devoid so quickly, considering they considered it to be "the Eldrazi indicator" (which means Colored Eldrazi are in a sense, a mistake now). Technically we're still in the early stages of an Eldrazi invading the plane and Emrakul in particular creates her brood by warping the already denizens of the plane to them, but the property of an Eldrazi-Minion is still largely being colorless.
I know it's a bit too early to jump to conclusions, but based on Hanweir, the Writhing Township, I'm actually expecting most of the Eldrazi-related mutations to involve the DFCs, colored on one-side, colorless on the other (because Devoid is sort of pointless on the other side).
I agree with that most of the eldrazis will just be mutations
But reminder any one that requires a color to pay for it will be higher than 10 of the 203
For in this case the front side of this (the main thing) is red (most likely)
So at least 5 between 9 will be non flip, pure breed, and colorless eldrazis, well most likely anyway. some of them can be just colorless removal spells. And those can also be flip mutations
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Won't see the C-symbol at all, or just won't see it in costs? Anything that produces colorless mana uses that symbol now. 4 cards in SoI had that symbol on them (Westvale Abbey , Magnifying Glass, Warped Landscape, and Drownyard Temple.)
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Even though #6 is Emrakul and #7 is quite likely Emrakul's Something (There was an Ulamog's Something and Kozilek's Something in the past two Eldrazi-titan sets)... you're expecting that there is only one more item from the rest of the alphabet when there were seven items in the first less-than-20% of the alphabet? Emrakul really likes the first five letters of the alphabet that much more than the last 21 letters?
In magic's history, less than a third of cards have started with letters A through E (4352 of 15919). It's quite unlikely that virtually all of the colorless cards in this set are bunched up before the letter F.
EDIT: Here is a bit of food for thought on the colorless cards front. BFZ had 17 cards with a colorless color identity and OGW had 12, both of which were more Eldrazi focused than EMN is rumored to be.
EDIT2: Clarified first edit's statement
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Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
They both had way more colorless cards than that. They were just colorless cards that had colors in their mana costs and thus were placed among the colors in number sorting, thus distributed throughout the number crunch. EMN isn't doing Devoid, so basically all of its colorless cards will be either before White in the numbering, or the flipsides of DFCs (as we've already seen in Hanweir).
Allow me to clarify, then: had a colorless color identity. While there were other colorless cards, through devoid, there were few cards with a colorless color identity.
Standard - Some kind of control
Modern - UB Mill (casual)
EDH - Meren's Grave Shenanigans
With Emrakul and Hanweir, it seems that the number 13 has a key role in EMN (well it always had an importance on Innistrad). I think that there will be 13 colorless cards (before white in the number crunch), and maybe even 13 double faced cards that have a colorless eldrazi back (but it seems a lot).
You know, for reasons.
-Commander-
UBGMill, Sidisi, and Other ShenanigansGBU
WUBRGShingeki no TazriGRBUW
We know the first colored eldrazi is immensely likely to be red according to are number chart. (By colored I mean colored whatever on one side colorless eldrazi on the other.)