@S.M.: I decided on Merchant Scroll because it is so limited in its tutor targets, and I'm never really happy to see it over the other tutors. I don't have much experience though, so your advise is appreciated. Here's the list before adding Wheel:
I don't own a Badlands, so the Volcanic Island is the only dual I have for adding red. I really would like to add the Wheel, since adding another draw engine like that seems good.
There's a search engine called Google {since you're in the competitive area of the site you should know how to find you're own decklist} and here's a site called Morphling.de which I would use as well as others if you truely didn't know because you're new to the game.
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Ok bud this is what I would do;
I only run 4 fetches in my BobStorm deck, {Proven competitive 1st place winning deck} so right there you could cut the bloodstained Mire for the Volcanic Island or binder up the Academy and then wipe away a tear:).
Now this other statement is going to cause some of the other members that don't see the things I see to come out of the wood works, but I would either cut the Imperial Seal {this is often to slow} or one of the Cabal Rituals {I've played/played against/ and seen 1st winning decks that've sported just one sole copy} to get the wheel MD. If you choose to cut the Ritual I will assure you that when you play the sole copy you'll always have threshold {meaning you're more out to set of the sole copy then to just waste it} probably. Other then that you need that Badlands down the road:smileup:.......your deck will be awesome, no god like.......but the learning curve is one of the hardest in MTG, and with any singleton deck you've to really have keen forsight to set up turns {prime example is the players that've the brass to run just the sole C.Ritual} in advance. Good luck fellow member, and remember the're guys like me and others that'll always be here to help you out.
S.M.
Thanks tons S.M. I'll take that to heart.
Cutting the Seal for the Wheel [/RHYME] drops me to 10 proxies, so I think I'll go that way. It never occured to me to cut a fetch, but I'll try it out.
It's true the deck is very challenging, but I love the feeling I get every time I draw my opening hand. If's like trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together; fantastic. The deck has so many ways to do everything you need to win.
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I need to contact my bro and I should have a list soon, here's a deck {not a ant deck, but it shows that it's still a viable card regardless} from a fellow pro that uses 4 of them maindeck and he placed 5th...Jerry Yang ring a bell?
yeah doesn't Doom...a deck filled with enough ways to disrupt you, ritual out, and then consistantly pluck your threats from you with a sacrament...ok bud.
A little thought might have been needed on that one.
The concept is to open out like you normally would, but in many cases I was told it would end up turn one duress, turn two sacrament {most cases game}, turn 3 sacrament...{you just overkilled for game}, but for doom sake I'll share that beyound that point the deck goes on auto until a god hand is build, from there the game would come together with a YawgaWin or ofcourse a resolved ANT {instead of a player getting 22 cards, he/she probably only gets 10}....we know what happens from that point on.
The deck isn't that standard ant deck, but from what I was told/seen it seems pretty powerful considering that one resolved sacrament in todays meta equal's what DOOM?...if you guess game then you're correct...awful...yep sure is once you've faced/lost to it like I did bud.
Will I go on the record and say this new build is better then the current one which has been proven insane... NO {I think you guys know better then that from me by now}, but it's still a potent deck never-the-less.
S.M.
I'm not sure what deck you're talking about, because I haven't seen any ANT deck with 4 sacrament main and 1 tendrils post any kind of results. 1 Sacrament doesn't equal "game" against anything but TPS, the ANT mirror or Oath pre-board. With only 1 tendrils, Tezz will probably race you with Confidant beats even if you resolve a Sacrament. You don't have enough control with just Duress and Pact of Negation to play the long game. ANT with a single Tendrils is a bad idea.
I'm not sure what deck you're talking about, because I haven't seen any ANT deck with 4 sacrament main and 1 tendrils post any kind of results. 1 Sacrament doesn't equal "game" against anything but TPS, the ANT mirror or Oath pre-board. With only 1 tendrils, Tezz will probably race you with Confidant beats even if you resolve a Sacrament. You don't have enough control with just Duress and Pact of Negation to play the long game. ANT with a single Tendrils is a bad idea.
Then you need to do some more research, {I know you like to go back and forth with me out of fun sport, and I do as well} but yes one sacrament into's current meta can spell game {the meta has 3 win conditions oustide fish builds on avg and I would think that no research is needed to know that bud, so your post was wrong by facts alone seeing they would be helpless outside them just sitting there after one is resolved} so I don't know why you can't see this...I won't comment on this again to save time...if you don't see it, then you don't see. Go talk to Jerry Yang if you need another pro to comfort what I'm sharing.
I WILL BE CLEAR SINCE YOU MIGHT have read my post in full that I've to get the list from my brother {If he'll share the damn thing that's, he's very uptight about giving details until he womps us for a bit...I'm currently up on victories by a handful and this is his payback time I feel}, and the standard build It's the ony build of ant out there in the format and the're currently tourneys that are not listed always online....try to keep that in mind good member...I know you're better than that doom.
S.M.
One sacrament is not game vs the majority of vintage decks though. 1 sacrament will not remove all of the win conditions from dredge, stax, beats, fish or tezz. If he's only playing one tendrils and is running the usual ANT disruption package (duress + pact) then I would gladly bet that the deck has bad win percentages vs the ones I listed, they will race it. I'm pretty sure you have played an ANT deck, subtract 2/3 of the win conditions and add 4 3CMC spells (which are not win conditions vs the majority of the field) and you can tell immediately that it's not a good idea.
The very next day Yang played the same deck at the Meandeck open or whatever it was on 11/22. He dropped down to 2 Sadistic Sacrament. Make of it what you will.
One sacrament is not game vs the majority of vintage decks though. 1 sacrament will not remove all of the win conditions from dredge, stax, beats, fish or tezz. If he's only playing one tendrils and is running the usual ANT disruption package (duress + pact) then I would gladly bet that the deck has bad win percentages vs the ones I listed, they will race it. I'm pretty sure you have played an ANT deck, subtract 2/3 of the win conditions and add 4 3CMC spells (which are not win conditions vs the majority of the field) and you can tell immediately that it's not a good idea.
Ant would probably win fish, lose to stax, and you're wrong about Tezz due to the fact it'll slice it's threats {same with IonaBalls, SCV ect}. Ant will probably deface dredge {without a resolved sacrament seeing that their leylines mean nothing as a end result, and a chalice will be bounced, and we won't even talk about if the ant player goes first}, and doom you're opinion is on the record {it's a little narrow minded, but I can see where you're coming from}, so I'll try to build my own ant deck and test it if I can't get the list bud.
Yeah jerry did and he placed a slot lower because of it {drop from 4 to 2}....maybe or maybe not.
Now to side step the converstation a bit, I've to admit that Sacrament is a card worth taking into consideration with todays meta never the less with regards to maindecking it, or maybe it's just a phase....time will tell.
S.M.
He finished 5th-8th both times, there is really no difference between 5th and 8th.. Same amount of rounds too. In other words, I think the best assumption is that he went down because 4 was too many. But even then, I'm guessing.
There's a search engine called Google {since you're in the competitive area of the site you should know how to find you're own decklist} and here's a site called Morphling.de which I would use as well as others if you truely didn't know because you're new to the game.
Way to respond sarsastically to someone wanting to know more information; that's so productive of you. You are the one claiming all these first place winning decks, so the burden should be on you to produce it; otherwise your claims appear to be empty and unsupported. After looking at the site that you deigned to cite to us noobs, I did not see any winning storm decks not running Tolarian Academy. Please point them out since you have obviously seen them, or you wouldn't be referring to them.
Yang's Bob-Tendrils deck didn't use Academy. You can find it on Morphling.de or TMD. I haven't looked any further than that, but I'm just chiming in to point out one list. As far as TPS is concerned though, it should always have academy in my opinion.
Way to respond sarsastically to someone wanting to know more information; that's so productive of you. You are the one claiming all these first place winning decks, so the burden should be on you to produce it; otherwise your claims appear to be empty and unsupported. After looking at the site that you deigned to cite to us noobs, I did not see any winning storm decks not running Tolarian Academy. Please point them out since you have obviously seen them, or you wouldn't be referring to them.
you're not asking me to find one deck, you wanted a list {because I used the word tons}, and for that matter why are you a sensitive to a member? {retoricle} I gave the the direct source. Anyone who even reads my post knows I don't give false info period...and go to the search function. Take a moment to read the site and figure it out and all your answer will be taken care of there. I apologize if my bluntness was too much for you, if you have a direct question that only needs a simple answer I'll try harder for you next time, otherwise I'm just going to give you the source and walk away if it's no related to helping you with your current deck as for changes ect.
Yang's Bob-Tendrils deck didn't use Academy. You can find it on Morphling.de or TMD. I haven't looked any further than that, but I'm just chiming in to point out one list. As far as TPS is concerned though, it should always have academy in my opinion.
I'm with you on this one CPRide!! I know a tps or tendrils decks don't need it, but like you I just can live without :).
S.M.
Yang's Bob-Tendrils deck didn't use Academy. You can find it on Morphling.de or TMD. I haven't looked any further than that, but I'm just chiming in to point out one list. As far as TPS is concerned though, it should always have academy in my opinion.
Thank you for pointing out a list. I was just skeptical because the assertion was:
There have been tons of 1st place storm decks that don't run TCad {I'm not saying it's a bad idea though}, and for that matter many pros would rather have 2 duals out to go game then it.
I looked and I did not see TONS of 1st place storm decks without Academy. Also, after doing more research, I came upon this from one of Stephen Menendian's articles on TPS:
"One of the questions that was asked in the forums last week was whether I should run Tolarian Academy. The answer is ‘yes.’ In the abstract, Tolarian belongs in this deck. It is immensely powerful and facilitates cards like Mind’s Desire."
This is why I wanted to see more support for the assertion/implication that Tolarian Academy is expendable in TPS. It seems like Tolarian Academy, a card powerful enough to be restricted in Vintage, is a card that belongs in TPS unless there is a really good reason not to run it.
These concerns come up even before addressing the other assertion that
many pros would rather have 2 duals out to go game then it.
Where is the support for this statement? Are we to just take this guy's word for it? Where do pros say this? Menendian has had a great deal of success in Vintage and with TPS and he doesn't say this. Again, assertions that go against conventional wisdom should be supported rather than just lazily thrown out there, which can set people back in testing if they are wrong.
Sorry S.M., nothing against you personally, its just that I'm used to assertions being backed up with evidence. You probably have tons of testing time and experience to fall back on personally, but I do not have that so I just want more source information as a basis to make more informed decisions in this format.
Say what you will {no apology is needed :)}, but I'm not going to bottle feed everything {this isn't directed at you} because this is the competitive area of the forum, and you were given the link {you clearly didn't spend the time I have on there, and sadly it takes alot of time}, and you can go ahead and ingore my post in the future if you want since you feel I'm the lazy one {I might have read that wrong}... if you feel that way good member....I can understand and it won't phase me a bit.
Just don't ever twist my post again {I know I read that one right} with referrence to another pro player because of one opinion {we'll have our opinions, Smendian is a very talent counterpart, but he doesnt' make up the whole pie}} please for the sake of the forum {research will shows more TPS decks don't run a Tcad}, I didn't say Tolarian Academy shouldn't be played {I clearly play it and you can check my competitive decks if you want a feeling of what kind of player you're dealig with}, just that many don't run it in Grim/TPS/Ant storm decks... and I also know what stephen said because I stay up with fellow Pro players, and just because I have my own opinion doesn't mean I don't embrace theirs trust me....we're all in this together bud.
S.M.
ANT doesn't play Academy because it doesn't play full artifact acceleration or Mind's Desire. Back on the subject of TPS, Menendian's latest article on it is now free, link added to the first post ("The Perfect Storm Revisited"). He likes the Negator plan vs Tezz.
@Doomsday: Interesting to see Top over FoF in that list... wonder what prompted that change...
Here's a question for the community:
Assume that I have the power 9, and am playing the list above.
Also assume that I'll be playing in a no proxy tournament tomorrow and don't have access to either a Grim Tutor or an Imperial Seal.
What would you suggest I use in place of those two cards? I've considered Cruel Tutor and Wheel of Fortune with a Badlands over an Underground Sea, but I'd like your input...
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You could also consider Gush, as its a free card draw, which is always nice. Specially in combination with Mind's Desire and it helps you dodge Wastelands which seems to be all over the place now days.
Thanks for that.
I've decided on Windfall and Gush, both of which have been great. To be honest, I've been happier with them than I was with the two tutors. I never used to like seeing Grim Tutor, especially in my opening hand; just seemed like a lot of investment in the same effect as Demonic Tutor... (The community screams "Blasphemy!!")
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I'm new to vintage, even though I've been playing Magic for some years now. I've been trying out TPS on MWS, and there are quite a few stax decks there. I know the normal plan against stax was to build up a mana base until I could resolve a rebuild or some other bounce spell.
This plan however seems weaker with the printing of Lodestone Golem; a lockpiece with a 5/3 body. Normal stax cards like Thorn of Amethyst can be waited out, since all they do is sit there. The golem, on the other hand, can end the game before I can play the bounce spell needed. Basically, my question is, does the golem make stax a bigger threat than ever to this deck? Or is the problem simply my noobish attempts at playing TPS?
Shops are your worst match-up. If you failed at racing their multiple lock-pieces, you need to find your bouce, cast it EOT and go off. A 5 power sphere certainly gives you less time to recover than before. Board in more bounce and basics too.
1x Inkwell Leviathan
Artifacts:
1x Memory Jar
1x Black Lotus
1x Lotus Petal
1x Mox Saffire
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mana Vault
1x Sol Ring
1x Mana Crypt
Enchantments:
1x Yawgmoth's Bargain
1x Necropotence
Instants
4x Force of Will
1x Misdirection
1x Gifts Ungiven
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Rebuild
2x Cabal Ritual
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Brainstorm
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Dark Ritual
1x Mind's Desire
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Grim Tutor
1x Timetwister
1x Tinker
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Time Walk
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Ponder
1x Imperial Seal
4x Duress
Land:
2x Underground Sea
1x Tolarian Academy
2x Island
2x Swamp
4x Polluted Delta
1x Bloodstained Mire
3x Yixlid Jailer
2x Pithing Needle
3x Tormod's Crypt
1x Echoing Truth
2x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Extirpate
1x Massacre
1x Island
1x Swamp
I don't own a Badlands, so the Volcanic Island is the only dual I have for adding red. I really would like to add the Wheel, since adding another draw engine like that seems good.
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There's a search engine called Google {since you're in the competitive area of the site you should know how to find you're own decklist} and here's a site called Morphling.de which I would use as well as others if you truely didn't know because you're new to the game.
Keiichi_the_Otaku
Ok bud this is what I would do;
I only run 4 fetches in my BobStorm deck, {Proven competitive 1st place winning deck} so right there you could cut the bloodstained Mire for the Volcanic Island or binder up the Academy and then wipe away a tear:).
Now this other statement is going to cause some of the other members that don't see the things I see to come out of the wood works, but I would either cut the Imperial Seal {this is often to slow} or one of the Cabal Rituals {I've played/played against/ and seen 1st winning decks that've sported just one sole copy} to get the wheel MD. If you choose to cut the Ritual I will assure you that when you play the sole copy you'll always have threshold {meaning you're more out to set of the sole copy then to just waste it} probably. Other then that you need that Badlands down the road:smileup:.......your deck will be awesome, no god like.......but the learning curve is one of the hardest in MTG, and with any singleton deck you've to really have keen forsight to set up turns {prime example is the players that've the brass to run just the sole C.Ritual} in advance. Good luck fellow member, and remember the're guys like me and others that'll always be here to help you out.
S.M.
Cutting the Seal for the Wheel [/RHYME] drops me to 10 proxies, so I think I'll go that way. It never occured to me to cut a fetch, but I'll try it out.
It's true the deck is very challenging, but I love the feeling I get every time I draw my opening hand. If's like trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together; fantastic. The deck has so many ways to do everything you need to win.
I am John Galt.
I'm not sure what deck you're talking about, because I haven't seen any ANT deck with 4 sacrament main and 1 tendrils post any kind of results. 1 Sacrament doesn't equal "game" against anything but TPS, the ANT mirror or Oath pre-board. With only 1 tendrils, Tezz will probably race you with Confidant beats even if you resolve a Sacrament. You don't have enough control with just Duress and Pact of Negation to play the long game. ANT with a single Tendrils is a bad idea.
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Legacy
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UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
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UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
Then you need to do some more research, {I know you like to go back and forth with me out of fun sport, and I do as well} but yes one sacrament into's current meta can spell game {the meta has 3 win conditions oustide fish builds on avg and I would think that no research is needed to know that bud, so your post was wrong by facts alone seeing they would be helpless outside them just sitting there after one is resolved} so I don't know why you can't see this...I won't comment on this again to save time...if you don't see it, then you don't see. Go talk to Jerry Yang if you need another pro to comfort what I'm sharing.
I WILL BE CLEAR SINCE YOU MIGHT have read my post in full that I've to get the list from my brother {If he'll share the damn thing that's, he's very uptight about giving details until he womps us for a bit...I'm currently up on victories by a handful and this is his payback time I feel}, and the standard build It's the ony build of ant out there in the format and the're currently tourneys that are not listed always online....try to keep that in mind good member...I know you're better than that doom.
S.M.
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RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
URBGrixis DelverBRU
RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
Vintage
UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
Ant would probably win fish, lose to stax, and you're wrong about Tezz due to the fact it'll slice it's threats {same with IonaBalls, SCV ect}. Ant will probably deface dredge {without a resolved sacrament seeing that their leylines mean nothing as a end result, and a chalice will be bounced, and we won't even talk about if the ant player goes first}, and doom you're opinion is on the record {it's a little narrow minded, but I can see where you're coming from}, so I'll try to build my own ant deck and test it if I can't get the list bud.
Yeah jerry did and he placed a slot lower because of it {drop from 4 to 2}....maybe or maybe not.
Now to side step the converstation a bit, I've to admit that Sacrament is a card worth taking into consideration with todays meta never the less with regards to maindecking it, or maybe it's just a phase....time will tell.
S.M.
Way to respond sarsastically to someone wanting to know more information; that's so productive of you. You are the one claiming all these first place winning decks, so the burden should be on you to produce it; otherwise your claims appear to be empty and unsupported. After looking at the site that you deigned to cite to us noobs, I did not see any winning storm decks not running Tolarian Academy. Please point them out since you have obviously seen them, or you wouldn't be referring to them.
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you're not asking me to find one deck, you wanted a list {because I used the word tons}, and for that matter why are you a sensitive to a member? {retoricle} I gave the the direct source. Anyone who even reads my post knows I don't give false info period...and go to the search function. Take a moment to read the site and figure it out and all your answer will be taken care of there. I apologize if my bluntness was too much for you, if you have a direct question that only needs a simple answer I'll try harder for you next time, otherwise I'm just going to give you the source and walk away if it's no related to helping you with your current deck as for changes ect.
I'm with you on this one CPRide!! I know a tps or tendrils decks don't need it, but like you I just can live without :).
S.M.
Thank you for pointing out a list. I was just skeptical because the assertion was:
I looked and I did not see TONS of 1st place storm decks without Academy. Also, after doing more research, I came upon this from one of Stephen Menendian's articles on TPS:
"One of the questions that was asked in the forums last week was whether I should run Tolarian Academy. The answer is ‘yes.’ In the abstract, Tolarian belongs in this deck. It is immensely powerful and facilitates cards like Mind’s Desire."
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/16298_So_Many_Insane_Plays_Playing_The_Perfect_Storm.html
This is why I wanted to see more support for the assertion/implication that Tolarian Academy is expendable in TPS. It seems like Tolarian Academy, a card powerful enough to be restricted in Vintage, is a card that belongs in TPS unless there is a really good reason not to run it.
These concerns come up even before addressing the other assertion that
Where is the support for this statement? Are we to just take this guy's word for it? Where do pros say this? Menendian has had a great deal of success in Vintage and with TPS and he doesn't say this. Again, assertions that go against conventional wisdom should be supported rather than just lazily thrown out there, which can set people back in testing if they are wrong.
Sorry S.M., nothing against you personally, its just that I'm used to assertions being backed up with evidence. You probably have tons of testing time and experience to fall back on personally, but I do not have that so I just want more source information as a basis to make more informed decisions in this format.
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Just don't ever twist my post again {I know I read that one right} with referrence to another pro player because of one opinion {we'll have our opinions, Smendian is a very talent counterpart, but he doesnt' make up the whole pie}} please for the sake of the forum {research will shows more TPS decks don't run a Tcad}, I didn't say Tolarian Academy shouldn't be played {I clearly play it and you can check my competitive decks if you want a feeling of what kind of player you're dealig with}, just that many don't run it in Grim/TPS/Ant storm decks... and I also know what stephen said because I stay up with fellow Pro players, and just because I have my own opinion doesn't mean I don't embrace theirs trust me....we're all in this together bud.
S.M.
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RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
URBGrixis DelverBRU
RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
Vintage
UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Vault
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
Spells
4 Force of Will
4 Duress
2 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Grim Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Tinker
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Rebuild
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Memory Jar
1 Misdirection
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Necropotence
1 Mind’s Desire
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Timetwister
1 Time Walk
1 Chain of Vapor
3 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
1 Scalding Tarn
2 Island
2 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
2 Underground Sea
3 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Repeal
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Pithing Needle
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Infest
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RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
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RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
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UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
Here's a question for the community:
Assume that I have the power 9, and am playing the list above.
Also assume that I'll be playing in a no proxy tournament tomorrow and don't have access to either a Grim Tutor or an Imperial Seal.
What would you suggest I use in place of those two cards? I've considered Cruel Tutor and Wheel of Fortune with a Badlands over an Underground Sea, but I'd like your input...
I am John Galt.
Trade Thread
Modern
RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
URBGrixis DelverBRU
RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
Vintage
UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
I've decided on Windfall and Gush, both of which have been great. To be honest, I've been happier with them than I was with the two tutors. I never used to like seeing Grim Tutor, especially in my opening hand; just seemed like a lot of investment in the same effect as Demonic Tutor... (The community screams "Blasphemy!!")
I am John Galt.
This plan however seems weaker with the printing of Lodestone Golem; a lockpiece with a 5/3 body. Normal stax cards like Thorn of Amethyst can be waited out, since all they do is sit there. The golem, on the other hand, can end the game before I can play the bounce spell needed. Basically, my question is, does the golem make stax a bigger threat than ever to this deck? Or is the problem simply my noobish attempts at playing TPS?
Trade Thread
Modern
RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
URBGrixis DelverBRU
RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
Vintage
UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
I'd Imagine pretty good. You have a full suite of duress, and FoW, as well as a misdirection, and a clock that's just a turn or 2 slower
This is what I had been using:
4x Leyline of the Void
2x Pithing Needle
2x Echoing Truth
1x Hurkyll's Recall
1x Massacre
1x Island
1x Swamp
I haven't played in a T1 tourney since just about a year ago, and I was wondering what others were using...
I'm going into an unknown meta, and if you're willing to give away your sideboards, I'd appreciate some advice...
I am John Galt.