Turn 1 or 2 is situational mate. As a Stax player, if I go first, you won't go off on Turn 1 or 2. If I am playing Tezz or Fish, the odds of you going off turn 1 or 2 is also very low.
Be weary on advice that isn't always accurate. If your statement was 100% true, Ad Nauseum would be "the deck" to play.
My meta has Ant...curious to who this statement is directed at? Through my results Ant struggles against Stax {complete given if ant is going 2nd or doesn't win outright assuming it's going first} and yes Fish builds are problemsome.
But this deck on avg wins more games on turn 1 as a stat then any other current vintage deck.
My comments were with regards to building this baby budget,
S.M.
Hi i am the player of the list Beralt talked about. and the deck can easily go budget because the list itself is based on a budget list a friend of mine concocted. you go -1 recall, -1 lotus -1 timetwister, -1 thoughtseize; + 2 cabal ritual +1 creature, +1 cabal therapy. think of the deck as list that runs 5 black lotuses (4 in the budget list) and just play like flash (read: very aggressive)
the creatures help because our meta is primarily aggrocontrol. Pacts were included in the first incarnation of deck as answer to the sea of tezerret here but were then replaced by duress effects when the meta shifted to combo (there was a time i went 3-3 and all my losses were to aggressive combos like belcher and the mirror). Culling the weak and therapy also help albeit trivially against ichorid to remove bridges. and also an answer to oath's spirit tokens. even if i managed to secure jet and sapphire, i would most likely be using the same shell.
i have played the deck in almost 12 tournaments, with most opponents fully powered, and have very promising results.
as for sadistic sacrament, you can easily counter this by adding a fourth ToA from the side, maybe cutting powder keg. i am more concerned with the discard effects of black than sacrament though.
im also considering a transformational board to oath because of the stax matchup. if S.M. would show more results of the transformational deck, i would gladly appreciate it.
edit: realized you were referring to my old list. my new list has -1 cabal ritual +1 black lotus (finally afforded it yey!); -1 therapy -1 duress +2 thoughtseize for the selkie matchup. new list is here:
Does anybody know of a tutorial for playing this deck i mean David Do Anh's list which took second place in Madrid has only one Tendrils of Agony and Ad Nauseam. I just don't get how this deck is played.
I think you're referring to his legacy deck. This is the vintage section, so the playing of the deck is actually different.
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Don't get me wrong, playing Dredge is one of my guilty pleasures, along with eating chunky monkey ice cream and watching my Gilmore Girls DVDs in my underpants, but it's pretty much, in my opinion, the very last deck that I'd want anyone to start a career in Vintage with.
My meta has Ant...curious to who this statement is directed at? Through my results Ant struggles against Stax {complete given if ant is going 2nd or doesn't win outright assuming it's going first} and yes Fish builds are problemsome.
But this deck on avg wins more games on turn 1 as a stat then any other current vintage deck.
My comments were with regards to building this baby budget,
S.M.
the creatures help because our meta is primarily aggrocontrol. Pacts were included in the first incarnation of deck as answer to the sea of tezerret here but were then replaced by duress effects when the meta shifted to combo (there was a time i went 3-3 and all my losses were to aggressive combos like belcher and the mirror). Culling the weak and therapy also help albeit trivially against ichorid to remove bridges. and also an answer to oath's spirit tokens. even if i managed to secure jet and sapphire, i would most likely be using the same shell.
i have played the deck in almost 12 tournaments, with most opponents fully powered, and have very promising results.
as for sadistic sacrament, you can easily counter this by adding a fourth ToA from the side, maybe cutting powder keg. i am more concerned with the discard effects of black than sacrament though.
im also considering a transformational board to oath because of the stax matchup. if S.M. would show more results of the transformational deck, i would gladly appreciate it.
edit: realized you were referring to my old list. my new list has -1 cabal ritual +1 black lotus (finally afforded it yey!); -1 therapy -1 duress +2 thoughtseize for the selkie matchup. new list is here:
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=32070
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