Well I haven't played the deck but my friend is. If you bring in the oaths and tyrants against aggro or storm its sick. I think the build is a nice change from the ordinary we see all the time.
Newest build brewing up, and I have seen it in action. I don't know if I like it yet, but the Seeker gives a added feature if he hits play {it's called game the next turn via getting your head pounded like a railroad stake from 5/5's:D}. Duh I forgot the Time Vault.
I have never played against this build, but I'm in the proccess of putting something simular together. I also didn't see the Inf-loop turn combo, and to be honest posted the build on what my memory gave me. I'm sure the're some loose ends that need to be tied.
I would imagine the turn combo is the most important, but I did see a legion of 5/5 come crasing against a guy in the shop that day. I'm still on the fense right now with all the comments positive and negative about Tezzeret, but something inside tells me he will be a staple in T-1 in due time. So what ability is used the most? just pick one because either way the min he hits play in a good arch-type build........ I would surely think the game will be over shortly after.
Next question on this newest build around Tezzeret.
i seem to be missing the infini turn combo, i get tezzeret + time vault but because of the new wording on it i dont get how it works. can some one help me out here?
On the other hand, I think that Tezzeret the Seeker is really slow... Don't like it at all...
Maggical
Slow on his own but after a fat drain this guy is pretty fast considering his second ability and what that can do for you Maggical {Lotus anyone?}. On the other hand if he were any faster of a card it would not have been printed, so just that fact alone is deadly when he does enter play.........get the vault into play and go INfi-Loop. It's just a matter of the glass being half full/or half empty in this situation if you understand my drift, and I think you're smart enough guy to see what I'm saying.
Val as for as your question goes buddy just read the card ok, and if that doesn't help..........than read the card again. I shouldn't have to tell a vintage player how this works being you're unbeaten in the format of champions while there's a ruling area on this website holding the topic at hand, and that's what I had to do by creating that topic.
Time Vault This card is word for word in text I've have learned perfect to what it does, and from what I've read it now says this { Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this this turn}............Twiddle anyone?
Tezzeret the Seeker Hint hint the 1st ability, 2nd would get Vault into play, and the 3rd is just game I have to add in vintage with all the artifacts most decks sport.
this is time vaults exact oracle text Time Vault comes into play tapped.
If Time Vault would become untapped, instead choose one - untap Time Vault and you skip your next turn; or Time Vault remains tapped. t: Take an extra turn after this one.1
i still dont see it i get what your trying to do thought, but if you try to do tezzertts ability wouldnt timevaults trigger just go on stack? then you have the choise of skipping your next turn or keeping it tapped. the only way i can see of stopping this is just stifleing it.
this is time vaults exact oracle text Time Vault comes into play tapped. If Time Vault would become untapped, instead choose one - untap Time Vault and you skip your next turn; or Time Vault remains tapped. t: Take an extra turn after this one.1
i still dont see it i get what your trying to do thought, but if you try to do tezzertts ability wouldnt timevaults trigger just go on stack? then you have the choise of skipping your next turn or keeping it tapped. the only way i can see of stopping this is just stifleing it.
{ Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn}............so I say again Twiddle anyone?
{Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn}............
the text i posted is taken from the dci website. idk where you got yours from.
the text i posted is taken from the dci website. idk where you got yours from.
It's clear you didn't go to the ruling thread, and it's clear I'm done now.
You will understand it soon enough once you have followed my steps on this matter.
For the love of god I'm trying to give you the new text, so just read it man. Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next question?
heres the exact up to date text. heres where i got it form.
Time Vault comes into play tapped.
Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
If you would begin your turn while Time Vault is tapped, you may skip that turn instead. If you do, untap Time Vault. : Take an extra turn after this one.
well we were bolth wrong, i missed something.
heres the exact up to date text. heres where i got it form.
Time Vault comes into play tapped.
Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
If you would begin your turn while Time Vault is tapped, you may skip that turn instead. If you do, untap Time Vault. : Take an extra turn after this one.
well we were bolth wrong, i missed something.
No you're wrong man, and just because you can't see that I'm sorry but don't include me in your statement. The fact is you can't untap the Vault durning your untap phase unless you give up your next turn {what the heck did I miss in my statement or what you can't read?........ What should I do in the future to help you get my posts?}. I think I posted that 3 times, and I can't express how clear I was about everything.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!! your untap phase is the beginnig of your turn........geeezzz I bet someone feels a bit sheepish now.
Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase {Simple term because your nit picking............ beginning of your turn.........UNTAP PHASE IS THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TURN, and right after is a thing called a UPKEEP, followed by what some may call a DRAW PHASE}. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn.
Please someone like a MOd step in and tell me if I have be wrong or unclear in my post, because this guy is getting old on his mannerism, grammer, and post ethics.
1. It must be stifled {Hense I'm wrong}
2. He couldn't find the facts on the new text {Hense I'm wrong}
3. I didn't use the term {at the beginning of your turn} which I was sure that anyone who read my post would have understood what I ment by the phrase UNTAP phase {Hense I'm wrong} Now without flaming a guy can only take so much, and if this topic wasn't important to mabye others {and Tezzeret} I would drop it.............but come on!!!
I'm doing the best I can to stand up for myself, and what I have learned on the ruling section of the website {through skilled players, Mods} without being rude or misleading, so if I get a warning for doing the right thing now......than I will gladly take it, but this stuff as to stop because this is the competitive area of the website.
alright this doesnt need to go further, ive showed you the proof and you refuse to see it. regardless. does anyone have a list that doesnt use tezzeret.
EDIT: better?
alrightAlright this dosent doesn't need to go {any} further, ive I've showed you the proof any {and} you refuse to see it. regardless {not a sentance}. doesDoes anyone have a list that dosentdoesn't use tezzeret.
Yeah I see it {you just posted the same thing I have been saying the whole time but with poor grammer}, and I give my word I won't ever waste my time on you again after this go around.
Good luck with your builds.
alright this doesnt need to go further, ive showed you the proof and you refuse to see it. regardless. does anyone have a list that doesnt use tezzeret.
EDIT: better?
You are 100% wrong. Time Vault was changed to make it work like the wording on the card. Read the Oracle changes on the Wizards website. Also, notice how the IF statement on the card has been changed.
If Time vault....
vs.
If it is the beginning of your turn.
If it is not the beginning of your turn, you can do whatever you would like to untap the vault.
heres the exact up to date text. heres where i got it form.
Time Vault comes into play tapped.
Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
If you would begin your turn while Time Vault is tapped, you may skip that turn instead. If you do, untap Time Vault. : Take an extra turn after this one.
well we were bolth wrong, i missed something.
Well I haven't played the deck but my friend is. If you bring in the oaths and tyrants against aggro or storm its sick. I think the build is a nice change from the ordinary we see all the time.
I have the primer on me, so tell me your match-up and I'll give you the side~options.
vs fish
vs $tax
and vs long
I'll give a detailed lay-out like a spring model tom after work Val.
Good nite MTGsalvation.
God I love this game!!!!
1x Black Lotus
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Sol Ring
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Time Vault
1x Engineered Explosives
1x Pithing Needle
Plane Walker {2}
2x Tezzeret the Seeker
Creature {1}
1x Darksteel Colossus
Spell {31}
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Brainstorm
1x Fact or Fiction
1x Mystical Tutor
4x Force of Will
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Rebuild
2x Repeal
3x Thirst for Knowledge
1x Time Walk
1x Tinker
1x Merchant Scroll
4x Mana Drain
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Tendrils of Agoney
4x Duress
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Dark Ritual
3x Underground Sea
3x Polluted Delta
2x Flooded Strand
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Tolarian Academy
2x Island
1x Swamp
S.B. {15}
2x Tropical Island
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Tormod's Crypt
2x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Wipe Away
1x Trickbind
1x Sundering Titan
1x Island
I would imagine the turn combo is the most important, but I did see a legion of 5/5 come crasing against a guy in the shop that day. I'm still on the fense right now with all the comments positive and negative about Tezzeret, but something inside tells me he will be a staple in T-1 in due time. So what ability is used the most? just pick one because either way the min he hits play in a good arch-type build........ I would surely think the game will be over shortly after.
Next question on this newest build around Tezzeret.
On the other hand, I think that Tezzeret the Seeker is really slow... Don't like it at all...
Maggical
Slow on his own but after a fat drain this guy is pretty fast considering his second ability and what that can do for you Maggical {Lotus anyone?}. On the other hand if he were any faster of a card it would not have been printed, so just that fact alone is deadly when he does enter play.........get the vault into play and go INfi-Loop. It's just a matter of the glass being half full/or half empty in this situation if you understand my drift, and I think you're smart enough guy to see what I'm saying.
Val as for as your question goes buddy just read the card ok, and if that doesn't help..........than read the card again. I shouldn't have to tell a vintage player how this works being you're unbeaten in the format of champions while there's a ruling area on this website holding the topic at hand, and that's what I had to do by creating that topic.
Time Vault This card is word for word in text I've have learned perfect to what it does, and from what I've read it now says this { Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this this turn}............Twiddle anyone?
Tezzeret the Seeker Hint hint the 1st ability, 2nd would get Vault into play, and the 3rd is just game I have to add in vintage with all the artifacts most decks sport.
Time Vault comes into play tapped.
If Time Vault would become untapped, instead choose one - untap Time Vault and you skip your next turn; or Time Vault remains tapped.
t: Take an extra turn after this one.1
i still dont see it i get what your trying to do thought, but if you try to do tezzertts ability wouldnt timevaults trigger just go on stack? then you have the choise of skipping your next turn or keeping it tapped. the only way i can see of stopping this is just stifleing it.
{ Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn}............so I say again Twiddle anyone?
the text i posted is taken from the dci website. idk where you got yours from.
It's clear you didn't go to the ruling thread, and it's clear I'm done now.
You will understand it soon enough once you have followed my steps on this matter.
For the love of god I'm trying to give you the new text, so just read it man.
Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next question?
Time Vault comes into play tapped.
Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
If you would begin your turn while Time Vault is tapped, you may skip that turn instead. If you do, untap Time Vault.
well we were bolth wrong, i missed something.
No you're wrong man, and just because you can't see that I'm sorry but don't include me in your statement. The fact is you can't untap the Vault durning your untap phase unless you give up your next turn {what the heck did I miss in my statement or what you can't read?........ What should I do in the future to help you get my posts?}. I think I posted that 3 times, and I can't express how clear I was about everything.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!! your untap phase is the beginnig of your turn........geeezzz I bet someone feels a bit sheepish now.
Time vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doen't untap as normal during your untap phase. Skip your next turn to untap Time Vault during your untap phase {Simple term because your nit picking............ beginning of your turn.........UNTAP PHASE IS THE BEGINNING OF YOUR TURN, and right after is a thing called a UPKEEP, followed by what some may call a DRAW PHASE}. Tap Time Vault to gain an extra turn after this turn.
Please someone like a MOd step in and tell me if I have be wrong or unclear in my post, because this guy is getting old on his mannerism, grammer, and post ethics.
1. It must be stifled {Hense I'm wrong}
2. He couldn't find the facts on the new text {Hense I'm wrong}
3. I didn't use the term {at the beginning of your turn} which I was sure that anyone who read my post would have understood what I ment by the phrase UNTAP phase {Hense I'm wrong} Now without flaming a guy can only take so much, and if this topic wasn't important to mabye others {and Tezzeret} I would drop it.............but come on!!!
I'm doing the best I can to stand up for myself, and what I have learned on the ruling section of the website {through skilled players, Mods} without being rude or misleading, so if I get a warning for doing the right thing now......than I will gladly take it, but this stuff as to stop because this is the competitive area of the website.
EDIT: better?
Yeah I see it {you just posted the same thing I have been saying the whole time but with poor grammer}, and I give my word I won't ever waste my time on you again after this go around.
Good luck with your builds.
You are 100% wrong. Time Vault was changed to make it work like the wording on the card. Read the Oracle changes on the Wizards website. Also, notice how the IF statement on the card has been changed.
If Time vault....
vs.
If it is the beginning of your turn.
If it is not the beginning of your turn, you can do whatever you would like to untap the vault.
Apparently not...
Looks like the correct oracle text to me.
Oracle changes as of Sept 24th, 2008. Please stop arguing about changes that have been made public in multiple places.