I n my area everyone plays stax , and oath in type one and I couldnt beat them till i built this deck. please give me your thoughts and opinions and tell me anything you would change. as it sits right now i beat stax consistently unless they get the god hand
Your deck seems interesting and strong, but their are a few glaring weaknesses.
Annul is the perfect card for your meta, and I quite like the inclusion. Why not add one to the SB?
With a turboland deck, a 5-color base is quite easy. Why not add red and white. White gives you Enlightened Tutor, and Red gives you access to both Wheel of Fortune and Barbarian Ring, allowing for a combo kill. What exactly is the purpose of Feldon's Cane? That seems like quite a strange card to me.
Some Comments on your sb:
How are needles working for you as a 2-of? I found that only 2 were usually awkward and weak, and would rather have other cards.
How good is deed? It also seems quite weak to me.
3 MisD also seem quite strange, unless you have a reason/justification, especially in your meta.
2 Berserk seems uncecessary, 1 should suffice.
IF you add red, R&R could be stronger than Oxidize.
You could add Forbidden Orchard in your SB as an anti-oath measure. On the issue of anti-oath, however, why not add Maze of Ith?
w/ red, Tin Street Holigan could be stronger than Viridian Shaman (which should be replaced by Sex Monkeys imediatly on principle ;)).
Dark Confidant could also be added sb as a source of card advantage.
A very interesting and invovative deck, and it seems perfect for your meta.
If your fastbond is countered or destroyed you are left with just the vinelashers. Likewise you only run 1 cruicible. You have 1 regrowth, but that is it.
And I can easily see someone echoing truth the vinelashers.
All said, vs stax it seems strong simply because of the permanent count and the cruicible with two tutors.
Im unsure about oath, they actually run more counters than you do.
the feldons cane is there because my deck gets rael thin real fast if horn of greed is on the table and alot of those cards are going to my graveyard the cane replenishes my library. before i added it i decked myself 1 out of 3-4 games. and actualy for this reason i thought about adding a lone phsycatog to the board as a wish target. the reasoning behind the 3 misdirects is for those anoying storm decks in game two i board in two of them. i have been thinking about dropping the deeds altogether for two more needles exactly for the reason you said. ive been ponderin what to drop for a wheel of fortune as well as another crucible but its just so tough to cut cards
here is the my revised decklist it runs a alot different than it used to because i had drop the mishras factorys to add the other colors it runs alitt bit smoother than it used to . i would like to cut at least one card if not two to put another fetch and another island into the deck
I would add at least 1 Barbarian Ring for an instant win with crucible/fastbond out. It also doubles as welder kill, which is great in the stax matchup.
Is gilded light better than just running Stifle?
I think you should cut 1 misd in the sb for another form of hate (R&R most likely, naturalize also jumps to mind). Remember, oxidize isnt so hot with welder out. On that note, small creature hate (tokens in oath/welders/etc.) should most likely be included somewhere. I highly recomend Darkblast.
I don't know what misdirection is supposed to be doing, if it's trying to stop storm decks then you're probably interpreting the rules wrong and would be better off running stifle (which is really good in general, is typically better than gilded light, and ought to be good in your metagame). If oath is a big portion of the field you can run your own orchards (instead of mines?). A single copy of barbarian ring is probably a good idea as far as another win condition is concerned, and as mentioned maze of ith can be effective vs. oath as well. If you're going to support red and stax is big, gorilla shaman deserves consideration. Lastly, is there really any good reason not to run the entire complement of moxen?
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the reason behind not running a full compliment of moxen is because i play it in a 10 proxy tournement and im already at ten proxys other wise i probly would im just a poor fella
If you're going to support red and stax is big, gorilla shaman deserves consideration.
Not really. Who wants to pay 7-9 mana to use that shaman for something really worthwhile. Play with viashino heretic or goblin vandal. Viashino heretic probably being the better SB inclusion vs any kind of stax.
3 horn of greed
1 zuran orb
1 crucible of worlds
1 mox saphire
1 mox emerald
1 mox jet
1 black lotus
1 feldons cane
black
1 demonic tutor
1 vampiric tutor
1 yawgmoths will
blue
4 force of will
3 annul
2 daze
1 ancestral recall
1 time walk
1 timetwister
1 windfall
1 gush
2 cunning wish
1 fastbond
3 exploration
1 regrowth
4 vinlasher kudzu
2 living wish
land
3 windswept heath
2 flooded strand
4 underground sea
4 tropical island
2 gemstone mine
3 wasteland
1 stripmine
4 mishras factory
2 pithing needle
2 oxidize
1 hurkyls recall
2 pernicious deed
3 misdirection
1 eternal witness
1 wasteland
1 viridian shaman
2 beserk
Annul is the perfect card for your meta, and I quite like the inclusion. Why not add one to the SB?
With a turboland deck, a 5-color base is quite easy. Why not add red and white. White gives you Enlightened Tutor, and Red gives you access to both Wheel of Fortune and Barbarian Ring, allowing for a combo kill. What exactly is the purpose of Feldon's Cane? That seems like quite a strange card to me.
Some Comments on your sb:
How are needles working for you as a 2-of? I found that only 2 were usually awkward and weak, and would rather have other cards.
How good is deed? It also seems quite weak to me.
3 MisD also seem quite strange, unless you have a reason/justification, especially in your meta.
2 Berserk seems uncecessary, 1 should suffice.
IF you add red, R&R could be stronger than Oxidize.
You could add Forbidden Orchard in your SB as an anti-oath measure. On the issue of anti-oath, however, why not add Maze of Ith?
w/ red, Tin Street Holigan could be stronger than Viridian Shaman (which should be replaced by Sex Monkeys imediatly on principle ;)).
Dark Confidant could also be added sb as a source of card advantage.
A very interesting and invovative deck, and it seems perfect for your meta.
And I can easily see someone echoing truth the vinelashers.
All said, vs stax it seems strong simply because of the permanent count and the cruicible with two tutors.
Im unsure about oath, they actually run more counters than you do.
3 horn of greed
1 black lotus
1 mox diamond
1 mox sapphire
1 mox emerald
2 crucible of worlds
1 zuran orb
white
1 enlightned tutor
black
1 yawgmoths will
1 demonic tutor
1 vampiric tutor
red
1 wheel of fortune
blue
4 force of will
3 annul
2 daze
1 ancestral recall
1 timetwister
1 windfall
3 cunning wish
1 time walk
1 gush
1 fastbond
3 exploration
1 regrowth
4 vinelasher kudzu
2 flooded strand
2 poluted delta
4 tropical island
2 island
4 gemstone mine
4 wasteland
1 strip mine
4 pithing needle
1 annul
3 swords to plowshares
3 guided light
1 oxidize
1 beserk
2 misdirection
Is gilded light better than just running Stifle?
I think you should cut 1 misd in the sb for another form of hate (R&R most likely, naturalize also jumps to mind). Remember, oxidize isnt so hot with welder out. On that note, small creature hate (tokens in oath/welders/etc.) should most likely be included somewhere. I highly recomend Darkblast.
My decks:
Standard - MUC, Glittering Wish Control, Battle of Wits
Extended - White Rock, UW Control, Train Wreck
Legacy - SI, UbaStax, CounterSlivers
Vintage - Manaless Ichorid, Flash, Gush-a-Tog
Highlander - Burn, MUC
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Not really. Who wants to pay 7-9 mana to use that shaman for something really worthwhile. Play with viashino heretic or goblin vandal. Viashino heretic probably being the better SB inclusion vs any kind of stax.