SIDEBOARD:
4x leyline of the void
4x chain of vapor
2x ray of revelation
2x ancient grudge
2x pithing needle
1x terastodon or iona, shield of emeria
couple questions-
- how do i sideboard against GY hate and what does one typically take out
- iona or the elephant SB? MB? at all?
- SB good?
- Questions are general as i cant give meta info
- careful study? deep analysis? winds? whats the best way to board these.thanks
i think you might want to take that to the legacy dredge thread. vintage dreadge revolves around bazaar of bahgdad and normally ignores cards like breakthrough and deep analysis and putrid imp, as well as a few other cards.
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Why are stichers bad against fish?
on another note, some one suggested to me while i was testing online to run Recall, Lotus and time walk in the deck. my first question is what to cut for it, but also i got an idea to make fatestichers super good. running LED. basically, play bazaar, play LED, activate LED, dredge with bazaar, use the mana to fatesticher and untap bazaar, dredge again, hopefully have hit some narcomebas, and win turn 1. obviously it wouldn't happen alot, and LED is restricted any way, but the single LED could be worth it for the absolutely silly T1s you can have and also just the ability to playbazaar discard your handand have 15-20 cards in your graveyard at the begining of your secound turn. definitely worth testing i think.
by the way, asuming LED is productive, i finally know what to do with my last slots
-2 natclaim
-3 slots
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There is a vintage tournament end of december in my area, and I want to play a Dredge, so I come here to have suggestions bout what to play.
First, in the last vintage tournament, here's the deck that player was playing. I dont have the decklist thoo.
First place: Storm Tendril of Agony
Second Playe: Oath of Druids
Other position: Stax, Counterbalance, another Oath, 2 Mono black control Dark Depths, another Storm Tendril, 2 White Weenie, 1 Reanimator, 1 Goblin, 1 Green Stempy, 2 Fish, and some other I might forget
So, considering the decks in my area. I need help building my dredge, and my sideboard!
Here's the decklist I curently test. Pretty similar to earlier posts.
It seem to be weak vs Strip/Wasteland...
Should i play Fatstitcher?!?
What to sideboard vs the archetype i mentioned ?
It's me or it doesn't win b4 turns 3-4?
Should I put LED?!?
Help me plz I'm kinda new to vintage.
Probably want some sort of Nature's Claim/Chain of Vapor MD so you don't auto-lose g1 to leyline. Also consider things like Leyline of Sanctity for the board > needle.
running less than 4 leyline is usually not great. you might cut them for and extra chalice and something else.
i would actually advocate runnign Sphinx over primus for the MD at least. sphinx wins when it comes down so anyhting besides a moat or ensnaring bridge is irrelevant.
if you're scared of wasteland/strip mine, stay away from stichers, but adding in fatesticer and led increases the speed.
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Pretty solid and fast since I added LED and Fatestitcher. I still get owned sometime with a Bazaar being stripped/wasted first turn. What you do next, do you Dredge or do you draw to find another Bazzar?!? AND what do you take out to bring sideboard in VS Gravehaters?!?
i have the same problem with not knowing whatto take out for anti hate. i find my self taking out chalices(on the draw) and the stichers and led.
when bazaar gets blown upi usually just dredge if i can. the chances of drawing another bazaar a fairly slim(3 in around 40 cards usually, drawing 1 per turn)
idk if either of these are the "right" choice but thats just what i do. if anyone wants to correct me feel free
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4x Chalice of the void come out on the draw, simple enough.
Against sphere decks, you have 0 serenity, so I would take out the DR package.
Definitely take out some # of fatestitcher for SB, at least 2. Fatestitcher is really balls-to-the-wall and not ideal in a meta with tons of wastelands.
Leyline of Sanctity comes out G3 probably most often against shops decks that use cards other than ravenous trap/crypt. It stays in vs. Oath/Tendrils.
I think it is a mistake to only have 1 Darkblast between the MD and SB. It is also a mistake to sacrifice resources for speed. Dredge doesn't really lose G1 anyway, but you will get hosed by a well prepared opponent when you are not packing the answers or cards you could be (i.e - more darkblast, more lands such as petrified field or dakmor salvage, or serenity). You do have Unmask, which is certainly great against many things other than T0 leyline or an opponent on the play G2.
i think you might want to take that to the legacy dredge thread. vintage dreadge revolves around bazaar of bahgdad and normally ignores cards like breakthrough and deep analysis and putrid imp, as well as a few other cards.
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Why are stichers bad against fish?
on another note, some one suggested to me while i was testing online to run Recall, Lotus and time walk in the deck. my first question is what to cut for it, but also i got an idea to make fatestichers super good. running LED. basically, play bazaar, play LED, activate LED, dredge with bazaar, use the mana to fatesticher and untap bazaar, dredge again, hopefully have hit some narcomebas, and win turn 1. obviously it wouldn't happen alot, and LED is restricted any way, but the single LED could be worth it for the absolutely silly T1s you can have and also just the ability to playbazaar discard your handand have 15-20 cards in your graveyard at the begining of your secound turn. definitely worth testing i think.
by the way, asuming LED is productive, i finally know what to do with my last slots
-2 natclaim
-3 slots
+4 CotV
+1 LED
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In essence, fatestitcher is less good when wastelands are running around.
Recall and Lotus are fine - they enable games to be won without Bazaar of Baghdad.
There is a vintage tournament end of december in my area, and I want to play a Dredge, so I come here to have suggestions bout what to play.
First, in the last vintage tournament, here's the deck that player was playing. I dont have the decklist thoo.
First place: Storm Tendril of Agony
Second Playe: Oath of Druids
Other position: Stax, Counterbalance, another Oath, 2 Mono black control Dark Depths, another Storm Tendril, 2 White Weenie, 1 Reanimator, 1 Goblin, 1 Green Stempy, 2 Fish, and some other I might forget
So, considering the decks in my area. I need help building my dredge, and my sideboard!
Here's the decklist I curently test. Pretty similar to earlier posts.
4x Serum Powder
4x Chalice of the Void
Enchantmen:
4x Leyline of the Void
4x Bridge from Below
Spells:
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Dread Return
1x Darkblast
Creatures:
4x Narcomeoba
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
2x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
2x Ichorid
4x Bloodghast
1x Flame-Kin Zealot
1x Sphinx of Lost Truths
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Undiscovered Paradise
2x City of Brass
1x Dakmor Salvage
2x Petrified Field
3x Nature's Claim
4x Chain of Vapor
2x Pithing Needle
2x City of Brass
4x Unmask
It seem to be weak vs Strip/Wasteland...
Should i play Fatstitcher?!?
What to sideboard vs the archetype i mentioned ?
It's me or it doesn't win b4 turns 3-4?
Should I put LED?!?
Help me plz I'm kinda new to vintage.
Probably want some sort of Nature's Claim/Chain of Vapor MD so you don't auto-lose g1 to leyline. Also consider things like Leyline of Sanctity for the board > needle.
4x Serum Powder
3x Chalice of the Void
Enchantmen:
3x Leyline of the Void
4x Bridge from Below
Spells:
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Dread Return
1x Darkblast
2x Nature's Claim
Creatures:
4x Narcomeoba
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
2x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
2x Ichorid
4x Bloodghast
1x Flame-Kin Zealot
1x Woodfall Primus
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Undiscovered Paradise
2x City of Brass
1x Dakmor Salvage
2x Petrified Field
2x Nature's Claim
4x Chain of Vapor
3x Leyline of Sanctity
2x City of Brass
4x Unmask
I'm not the biggest fan of petrified field though.
i would actually advocate runnign Sphinx over primus for the MD at least. sphinx wins when it comes down so anyhting besides a moat or ensnaring bridge is irrelevant.
if you're scared of wasteland/strip mine, stay away from stichers, but adding in fatesticer and led increases the speed.
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4x Serum Powder
4x Chalice of the Void
1x Lion's eye Diamond
Enchantmen:
4x Bridge from Below
Spells:
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Dread Return
1x Darkblast
2x Nature's Claim
Creatures:
4x Narcomeoba
4x Fatestitcher
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
2x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
2x Ichorid
4x Bloodghast
1x Flame-Kin Zealot
1x Sphinx of the Lost Truth
1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
4x Bazaar of Baghdad
4x Undiscovered Paradise
2x City of Brass
2x Nature's Claim
4x Chain of Vapor
3x Leyline of Sanctity
2x City of Brass
4x Unmask
Pretty solid and fast since I added LED and Fatestitcher. I still get owned sometime with a Bazaar being stripped/wasted first turn. What you do next, do you Dredge or do you draw to find another Bazzar?!? AND what do you take out to bring sideboard in VS Gravehaters?!?
when bazaar gets blown upi usually just dredge if i can. the chances of drawing another bazaar a fairly slim(3 in around 40 cards usually, drawing 1 per turn)
idk if either of these are the "right" choice but thats just what i do. if anyone wants to correct me feel free
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4x Chalice of the void come out on the draw, simple enough.
Against sphere decks, you have 0 serenity, so I would take out the DR package.
Definitely take out some # of fatestitcher for SB, at least 2. Fatestitcher is really balls-to-the-wall and not ideal in a meta with tons of wastelands.
Leyline of Sanctity comes out G3 probably most often against shops decks that use cards other than ravenous trap/crypt. It stays in vs. Oath/Tendrils.
I think it is a mistake to only have 1 Darkblast between the MD and SB. It is also a mistake to sacrifice resources for speed. Dredge doesn't really lose G1 anyway, but you will get hosed by a well prepared opponent when you are not packing the answers or cards you could be (i.e - more darkblast, more lands such as petrified field or dakmor salvage, or serenity). You do have Unmask, which is certainly great against many things other than T0 leyline or an opponent on the play G2.