Have added result and date to all the decks in the opening post. I will try to keep the op updated with budgetdecks that place top 8 at tournaments regulary.
Beralt: Do you know if the BG Oath version has placed t8 (or good) in other tournaments?
Here is the link to it's top 8 finish from Deckcheck.
Link removed, was pointing to a malware site. - Wildfire393
Another resource at Deckcheck is to search using Advanced and select the Unpowered box. Unfortunately it brings back decks with Bazaar, Grim Tutor & other restrictions on your list - but they can be somewhat altered.
Here is a interesting take on unpowered Flash which is surprising. It's from over at TMD, I will post the link to the thread then the decklist - it didn't finish great but seems like it would be a great unpowered rogue deck to run.
Intriguing deck in and of itself - flash being restricted makes it even more challenging. Basically it finds flash with the Cunning Wishes then goes off. Might be even more viable if it were fully powered.
I have edited the first post and it now includes 9 decks (yeah, power nine, lol). Dates are included with decklist so in the future people can see when the decklist was last updated. What's viable in 2009 isn't necessary viable in 2011. I will try to get more data on the decks that are not videly played to see if they really belong in this thread. Perhaps when this thread improves further it can be a sticky? Thanks for input from Beralt and the rest of you
You could include an alternate list for non-classical power which usually includes decks without the power 9. This would include most Ichorid builds and even Stax decks such as something like this:
You could include an alternate list for non-classical power which usually includes decks without the power 9. This would include most Ichorid builds and even Stax decks such as something like this:
On another thread requesting advice about what decks to play in a mixed powered environment, someone brought up the Norweigan Vintage Nationals top 8 lists which can be found here:
Posting the top 2 finishers here without sideboard but they both are reasonable builds - there are a few caveats here though, the tournament was on the small side and apparently was almost wholly unpowered - so take these results with a grain of salt. Looking further into the suggested lists, you can even see an unpowered Painter deck.
wat would i do for a sideboard for this type of deck??
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type 2 decks:
Blue/Red runeflare trap combo
Cruel Control
Legacy decks:
LEDless Ichorid
EDH decks:
mirkie ri berit
Doran the Explorer
Kami of the Crescent Moon
Originally Posted by badjuju As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
The budget list looks good. Not sure about adding Ichorid to this section at all, but maybe that's just me. It's "technically" unpowered, but absolutely requires 4 of a roughly $200 card. Also, I've seen tournaments that award prizes for "best unpowered deck" count Bazaars as "power", not sure if this is the norm. Anyway, thanks for the update man.
The budget list looks good. Not sure about adding Ichorid to this section at all, but maybe that's just me. It's "technically" unpowered, but absolutely requires 4 of a roughly $200 card. Also, I've seen tournaments that award prizes for "best unpowered deck" count Bazaars as "power", not sure if this is the norm. Anyway, thanks for the update man.
I totally agree! That's why I want to have decks with Bazaar, Drains and Workshops are in a seperate category.
Btw... how does this look as a start for the Budget decks for unpowered metagame section look?
This deck placed second in the Norwegian Vintage Nationals 2009.
Needs tweaking: Watery Grave --> Underground Sea + +
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
This version of this deck placed fourth in the Norwegian Vintage Nationals 2009.
Needs tweaking: Bloodstained Mire --> Polluted Delta + +
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
Those look good too. Definitely nice to have a topic like this around.
Not sure what the first guy was setting Chalice at in an unpowered meta. He has a bunch of 1cc stuff, maybe 2 once he had an Oath out?
What's the knock on Goblins vs an unpowered meta? That they might actually come up against removal? Seems like the Null Rods could be easily replaced, but it could be that this is made strictly on tourney results and we just haven't seen the performance.
Those look good too. Definitely nice to have a topic like this around.
Not sure what the first guy was setting Chalice at in an unpowered meta. He has a bunch of 1cc stuff, maybe 2 once he had an Oath out?
What's the knock on Goblins vs an unpowered meta? That they might actually come up against removal? Seems like the Null Rods could be easily replaced, but it could be that this is made strictly on tourney results and we just haven't seen the performance.
Goblins yeah Is going to be in the "budget decks" section as it is probably just as good there as it is in an unpowered metagame. I think goblins is a very strong choice in an unpowered metagame
I disagree, I think Goblins are terrible in an unpowered meta game. Unpowered Meta's revolve around aggro decks (typically) or discard. Dealing with a first turn lackey, or countering the food chain is very easy to do and slows Goblins tempo way down. If I was to think about playing unpowered in an unpowered meta, I would certainly move to a fish build. U/B/W or U/G/W or U/G/R, etc easily handle goblins and can deal with cheap storm decks, Oath decks etc. Goblins are fun to play, but their ability to put up big results have dwindled as new sets/cards are released and unrestricted/restricted.
At my local meta, we play sanctioned vintage every week. We have a goblin player or two who show up and have found themselves finishing poorly due to the overabundance of fish based or stax like decks that come every week. In fact, I played Goblins in the latest tourney in Boulder, Colorado and won very very easily.
The advantage goblins has is it's consistancy. Against tezz decks and stax, Goblins put their opponent on a clock. Deal with a 1st turn lackey or food chain, or lost on turn 3 or 4. But their isn't a single goblin (Stingscourger?) that can effectively deal with a 6/7 Tarmogoyf or a single engineered plague.
i actually just built combo elves instead lol...i had more of the stuff for it and my meta is alot of uw fish and dredge...i do pretty good against them though...and theres this random oath deck too lol
type 2 decks:
Blue/Red runeflare trap combo
Cruel Control
Legacy decks:
LEDless Ichorid
EDH decks:
mirkie ri berit
Doran the Explorer
Kami of the Crescent Moon
Originally Posted by badjuju As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
If you have Mana Drains, I would go with Oath and upgrade it. Check with friends to see if they have power to spare or that they are not using (Sapphire, Jet, Emerald, Lotus or Recall can all be nice upgrades).
Just a question. I'm normally a legacy player but I want to try a Vintage tourney.
In the tournament proxies aren't allowed, but there is additional pricesupport for unpowered decks. I was browsing through the decks and I have the most cards for Oath. But it's placed in good decks for an unpowered metagame. How much different would it make if you want to play unpowered Oath in an powered metagame? On top of that I have a playset Mana Drains, would this alter the build much, or wouldn't it be played.
Or should I stick to one of the other decks?
Benie
Hello
What are the most played decks in your meta? If the meta is very powerish I would NOT choose Oath. Then I would rather go for a fish deck. I feel Merfolks or UR Fish would be good choices. If the meta are more legacy like I would ABSOLUTE choose Oath. Go with a strong build with 2 Hellkite Overlords and another creature and include your drains
Ps. will update the OP soon because it is getting old. Feel free to suggest stuff
I believe that there should be a shift in the meta-game somewhere around the corner soon. B/x strategies certainly got some interesting new tools with Zendikar, and possibly enough to compete more consistently than before. More testing still needs to be done however in order to find the right tune for the current meta. I'm hoping that we also get a new breed of Bazaar-based decks soon as well. Maybe in combination with Dark Ritual. (can't seem to get the card-tags to function at the moment).
Problem: I probably can't borrow cards and own very little of those cards... I do own all duals except Volcanic Island and most Legacy Staples in those colours.
Questions: How good is Stifle Nought without Mask in Vintage? Does it have change or does it die horribly to all the Artifact Hate.
Why is Oath bad in a Powered Meta? I'm a Vintage Noob but a small combo package in a deck with alot of disruption can't be really that bad?
Btw the meta is quite balanced in terms of power about 1/3 powered, 1/3 semipowered 1/3 non-powered.
I was thinking of a port of Legacy Tempo Threshold to Vintage. UBwg with Mages, Thoughtseize and Stifle, Daze Force of Will. Or should I stick to Oath.
Benie
Benie
Would not run Dreadnought with so much artifact hate.
Oath is not bad, not at all. But in a powered metagame I think fish is better than unpowered oath.
You can use your UBwg Tempothresh base to build BUG fish? or UW fish?
Meddling, Thoughtseize, Stifle, Daze, FoW all are vintage staples
With 1/3 powered, semi-powered, unpowered I think oath might be the best choice... but not sure at all. I would say go with the deck you feel most comfortable with, or playtest both of them against what you think you will face and choose the one who perfoms best. good luck
Beralt: Do you know if the BG Oath version has placed t8 (or good) in other tournaments?
Link removed, was pointing to a malware site. - Wildfire393
Another resource at Deckcheck is to search using Advanced and select the Unpowered box. Unfortunately it brings back decks with Bazaar, Grim Tutor & other restrictions on your list - but they can be somewhat altered.
Thanks Darth Monkey
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=37895.0
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4 Fow
4 Pact of Negation
1 Misdirection
4 Protean Hulk
1 Body Double
1 Reveillark
1 Mogg Fanatic
1 Body Snatcher
1 Carrion Feeder
4 Cunning Wish
2 Summoner's Pact
3 Lim-Duls Vault
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Demonic tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Mana Crypt
1 Lotus Petal
2 Chrome Mox
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Echoing Truth
4 Underground Sea
3 Tropical island
4 Ancient Tomb
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Intriguing deck in and of itself - flash being restricted makes it even more challenging. Basically it finds flash with the Cunning Wishes then goes off. Might be even more viable if it were fully powered.
Main deck lyline makes your ichorid match up a laughing matter. The deck could be that combo, some black tutors, hand control and ya....
Thanks Darth Monkey
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=27460
This corresponds to the "unpowered" search parameters that deckcheck uses.
Thanks
Have been alot of busy with work, studying and soon wedding. But will soon make some time to do this. Thanks for suggesting
http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=38001.0
Posting the top 2 finishers here without sideboard but they both are reasonable builds - there are a few caveats here though, the tournament was on the small side and apparently was almost wholly unpowered - so take these results with a grain of salt. Looking further into the suggested lists, you can even see an unpowered Painter deck.
3 Chalice of the Void
1 Gaea’s Blessing
1 Krosan Reclamation
1 Regrowth
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Scroll Rack
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
4 Impulse
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Hellkite Overlord
4 Oath of Druids
4 Duress
4 Negate
4 Force of Will
1 Lotus Petal
1 Sol Ring
2 Island
2 Mishra’s Factory
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
1 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
4 Forbidden Orchard
3 Breeding Pool
3 Watery Grave
1 Wipe Away
1 Mana Leak
and
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Chrome Mox
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
2 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
3 Ad Nauseam
3 Tendrils of Agony
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
1 Repeal
4 Duress
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
1 Pithing Needle
1 Engineered Explosives
3 Swamp
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Flooded Strand
1 Steam Vents
2 Watery Grave
This deck was suggested by Stephen Menendian on Starcitygames.com 01/2009
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Goblin Welder
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Storm Entity
4 Street Wraith
4 Tinder Wall
Spells = 38
1 Channel
4 Chrome Mox
4 Empty The Warrens
4 Goblin Charbelcher
1 Grim Monolith
4 Guttural Response
4 Land Grant
1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Lotus Petal
4 Manamorphose
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Memory Jar
4 Rite Of Flame
1 Sol Ring
1 Tinker
1 Wheel Of Fortune
1 Taiga
wat would i do for a sideboard for this type of deck??
Blue/Red runeflare trap combo
Cruel Control
Legacy decks:
LEDless Ichorid
EDH decks:
mirkie ri berit
Doran the Explorer
Kami of the Crescent Moon
Originally Posted by badjuju
As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
What sort of decks do you anticipate facing?
How does this sorting sounds like?
Unpowered decks
- Ichorid
Budget decks
Fish decks:
- UW Fish
- Merfolks
Aggro decks:
- RG Beats
- GW Beats
- Goblins
- Suicide
Combo decks:
- Elves
- Belcher
Budget decks for unpowered metagame
- Angel Oath
- BG Oath
- UR Painter (with Counterbalance)
- Necro Painter
- Ad Nauseam Tendrils
Will also try to add aprox value of each deck.
Anything more I need to include?
Trade Thread
Modern
RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
URBGrixis DelverBRU
RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
Vintage
UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
I totally agree! That's why I want to have decks with Bazaar, Drains and Workshops are in a seperate category.
Btw... how does this look as a start for the Budget decks for unpowered metagame section look?
Budget decks for unpowered metagame
- 1 - Angel Oath
- 2 - BG Oath
- 3 - Ad Nauseam Tendrils
- 4 - Trinket Painter
- 5 - Necro Painter
This deck won the Norwegian Vintage Nationals 2009.
Needs tweaking: Watery Grave --> Underground Sea + +
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
1 Hellkite Overlord
1 Brainstorm
3 Chalice of the Void
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
4 Force of Will
1 Gaea's Blessing
4 Impulse
1 Krosan Reclamation
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Leak
1 Mystical Tutor
4 Negate
4 Oath of Druids
1 Ponder
1 Regrowth
2 Repeal
1 Scroll Rack
1 Sol Ring
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Wipe Away
1 Flooded Strand
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Island
2 Mishra's Factory
3 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
3 Watery Grave
BG Oath with 4xEnlightened Tutor
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
1 Hellkite Overlord
1 Spirit of the Night
2 Crop Rotation
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Hymn to Tourach
1 Krosan Reclamation
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Necropotence
2 Null Rod
4 Oath of Druids
1 Regrowth
4 Thoughtseize
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Polluted Delta
2 Scrubland
1 Strip Mine
1 Swamp
4 Wasteland
This deck placed second in the Norwegian Vintage Nationals 2009.
Needs tweaking: Watery Grave --> Underground Sea + +
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
1 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Ritual
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Duress
1 Echoing Truth
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Pithing Needle
1 Ponder
1 Repeal
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
3 Tendrils of Agony
2 Thoughtseize
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
3 Flooded Strand
1 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Steam Vents
3 Swamp
2 Watery Grave
This version of this deck placed fourth in the Norwegian Vintage Nationals 2009.
Needs tweaking: Bloodstained Mire --> Polluted Delta + +
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
4 Painter's Servant
1 Platinum Angel
4 Trinket Mage
1 Aether Spellbomb
1 Brainstorm
4 Counterbalance
2 Counterspell
1 Fact or Fiction
4 Force of Will
3 Grindstone
3 Pyroblast
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Thirst for Knowledge
3 Thoughtcast
1 Tinker
2 Flooded Strand
9 Island
4 Seat of the Synod
1 Tolarian Academy
4 Volcanic Island
Fun and strong deck for an unpowered metagame.
This deck value is about xx$ (Summer 2009)
4 Painter's Servant
2 Ad Nauseam
4 Dark Ritual
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Demonic Tutor
3 Duress
1 Empty the Warrens
3 Grindstone
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mana Vault
1 Necropotence
3 Reap
4 Red Elemental Blast
1 Sol Ring
1 Tendrils of Agony
3 Thoughtseize
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Bayou
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Polluted Delta
4 Swamp
Not sure what the first guy was setting Chalice at in an unpowered meta. He has a bunch of 1cc stuff, maybe 2 once he had an Oath out?
What's the knock on Goblins vs an unpowered meta? That they might actually come up against removal? Seems like the Null Rods could be easily replaced, but it could be that this is made strictly on tourney results and we just haven't seen the performance.
Trade Thread
Modern
RWGBurnGWR
GUInfectUG
GRTronRG
UWGifts TronWU
URBGrixis DelverBRU
RGWZooWGR
Legacy
BUWTinFinsWUB
UROmniTellRU
BURTESRUB
GElves!G
GBPSIBG
RGBelcherGR
UBRGWDredgeWGRBU
UBAffinityBU
RBurnR
Vintage
UBGDoomsdayGBU
0Martello Shops0
GElves!G
UBTPSBU
UBelcherU
0Dredge0
Goblins yeah Is going to be in the "budget decks" section as it is probably just as good there as it is in an unpowered metagame. I think goblins is a very strong choice in an unpowered metagame
At my local meta, we play sanctioned vintage every week. We have a goblin player or two who show up and have found themselves finishing poorly due to the overabundance of fish based or stax like decks that come every week. In fact, I played Goblins in the latest tourney in Boulder, Colorado and won very very easily.
The advantage goblins has is it's consistancy. Against tezz decks and stax, Goblins put their opponent on a clock. Deal with a 1st turn lackey or food chain, or lost on turn 3 or 4. But their isn't a single goblin (Stingscourger?) that can effectively deal with a 6/7 Tarmogoyf or a single engineered plague.
Thanks Darth Monkey
i actually just built combo elves instead lol...i had more of the stuff for it and my meta is alot of uw fish and dredge...i do pretty good against them though...and theres this random oath deck too lol
and i realised elvish lyrist is insane!
Blue/Red runeflare trap combo
Cruel Control
Legacy decks:
LEDless Ichorid
EDH decks:
mirkie ri berit
Doran the Explorer
Kami of the Crescent Moon
Originally Posted by badjuju
As the Last of the Control Players, we are all part of a sacred brotherhood; a band of brothers who would rather die on their knees tapping islands and giving permission than live on our feet cascading into Blightning.
Hello
What are the most played decks in your meta? If the meta is very powerish I would NOT choose Oath. Then I would rather go for a fish deck. I feel Merfolks or UR Fish would be good choices. If the meta are more legacy like I would ABSOLUTE choose Oath. Go with a strong build with 2 Hellkite Overlords and another creature and include your drains
Ps. will update the OP soon because it is getting old. Feel free to suggest stuff
Would not run Dreadnought with so much artifact hate.
Oath is not bad, not at all. But in a powered metagame I think fish is better than unpowered oath.
You can use your UBwg Tempothresh base to build BUG fish? or UW fish?
Meddling, Thoughtseize, Stifle, Daze, FoW all are vintage staples
With 1/3 powered, semi-powered, unpowered I think oath might be the best choice... but not sure at all. I would say go with the deck you feel most comfortable with, or playtest both of them against what you think you will face and choose the one who perfoms best. good luck