The filters are not set up on CubeCobra yet, but I'll try to make that happen.
I know the CubeTutor color coding can get a little blurry, but I find it nice to use the filter function to see where cards land or what an average 360/450/540 etc list might look like. You can also uncheck the show colours checkbox at the top of the page.
If you're interested in more info about where exactly a card landed, here is the link to a Google doc I created. I didn't do this last year and I wish I had. Google Doc
The Google doc details the list of users' cubes included in the average list, as well as the full card list including which user's list the card appeared in and how many times each card appears exactly. So if you're wondering why a card landed where it did, you can check the doc to see just who's running it and maybe spark up a conversation with them about why.
Speaking of cubes included, I was able to get to 30 cubes this year, though I did have to stretch the criteria a bit. I got to 28 cubes looking at active users here on MTGS from the past few months. The final two cubes were recently updated (through Throne) cubes from CubeCobra and CubeTutor. Maybe this taints the list somehow, with them not being all MTGS users' cubes, but 30 lists seemed better than 28 to me. One thing I'll note on this is that you should all have a link to your cube in your sig. It's incredibly helpful. I probably could have gotten to more than 30 here on MTGS if more people had links.
Another difference this year from last year is the exclusion of Un and Conspiracy cards. I did this instinctively because I don't personally enjoy Un cards, and honestly, I wish I hadn't excluded them from the average list. This is personal choice of mine, but obviously several people enjoy them, so I think it would have been nice to see where those cards landed in the numbers for those that want to include them. By the time this regret settled with me, I had already calculated the data to a point that it was too late to go back and include them. I did miss a few (as you can see in the CT blog) and some are still included in the Google doc.
As to the data at hand, I've had people ask me why this list is somehow better than the CubeTutor average lists when I've linked last year's list to them. To answer that question and explain why I think this list is helpful, I'd say that, while this is a much smaller sample size, all of the cubes included are owned by cubers who have updated their list within the last three months. Most of them being active members participating in discussion happening on MTGS (the best Peasant cube community around). Also this isn't intended to tell you what you have to run in your cube. I personally just think it's nice to see what an average list looks like. Propaganda isn't a very popular card in the cubes included here, but my group loves it, so it's in no danger of getting cut.
With all that said, the last things I'll include here are links to the 2018 cube as well as a link to the CubeTutor comparison between the two if you're interested in seeing what changed from last year to this year. I thought about going through that info, but it's a lot and this post is long enough already. Obviously this thread is an open forum for discussion of anything interesting you folks might find in the compare.
I am not a big fan of the colour scheme it isn't intuitive, brain was hurting trying to keep track of what was popular.
I feel like green should be the highest and red the lowest.
There is a lot of popular cards I disagree with but hey thats okay.
I am not a big fan of the colour scheme it isn't intuitive, brain was hurting trying to keep track of what was popular.
I feel like green should be the highest and red the lowest.
There is a lot of popular cards I disagree with but hey thats okay.
The color scheme isn't really a "scheme" or trying to be anything other that just different colors. I just have to work with the colors that CubeTutor offers for tags. It's easier to keep track if you use the filter function on the view list page and filter down to only the ones you want to see.
Thanks so much for doing this - it's got to be a ton of work, but I find it quite helpful. Not that I want to run the average cube, but I do like using cubetutor's Compare Two Lists feature to compare my own against the average (looks like about 60% of my card choices are also in the average cube); that way I can look at popular cards I may not have considered and compare them against cards I'm running that no one else seems to appreciate. In past years, it has lead to me trying and liking cards that weren't initially in my own build.
The color scheme isn't really a "scheme" or trying to be anything other that just different colors. I just have to work with the colors that CubeTutor offers for tags. It's easier to keep track if you use the filter function on the view list page and filter down to only the ones you want to see.
Cubetutor actually has enough red/orange/green tones for the list. Here is the original 2017 list I made:
I only did a 'colorblind edition' because some people had problems discerning the colors. For me personally the regular list is far easier to read than the colorblind one:
I'm glad to see some folks are getting some use out of the list already. Thanks to Phitt77 for doing this originally and ultimately sparking the idea for me to do this last year. I've added the 2017 link to the OP as well.
I have been trying to do a comparison between the list and mine on Cubetutor but the site keeps getting loading issues (Error 504). I wonder if it is reaching its limits, even if those outs are not constant. I really should export my current list.
Edit: Managed to get it work. Biggest surprise was that I had removed Mystical Tutor. Might need to add that back, given how I have a few Instant and Sorcery based win cons. Second biggest surprise was how stuff like Acidic Soil no longer makes it into the average CU/be. I feel like an old-timer for still keeping those cards in.
I have been trying to do a comparison between the list and mine on Cubetutor but the site keeps getting loading issues (Error 504). I wonder if it is reaching its limits, even if those outs are not constant. I really should export my current list. :P]
What a seriously *****ty and seemingly meaningless thing for someone to do. Though, I suppose that trying to implement some form of malware into the out of date framework might be enough reason.
I was also thinking of tackling it if no one else did, though I don't know their usual methodology. I think they usually pick users who have been active in the forum and probably look at users included in previous years (might have to check if they've updated within the past year).
Calibretto did it last couple times, and Phitt before that. It's been an amazingly helpful tool, but I'm sure it takes a ton of time.
We had seven sets adding new cards to our library since last year's average list was put together.
Ultimate Masters
Ravnica Allegiance
War of the Spark
Modern Horizons
M20
Commander 2019
Throne of Eldraine
Cutting to the chase, here's the link for the 2019 average list. https://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/156304
Here is the CubeCobra link: https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/mtgs19
The filters are not set up on CubeCobra yet, but I'll try to make that happen.
I know the CubeTutor color coding can get a little blurry, but I find it nice to use the filter function to see where cards land or what an average 360/450/540 etc list might look like. You can also uncheck the show colours checkbox at the top of the page.
If you're interested in more info about where exactly a card landed, here is the link to a Google doc I created. I didn't do this last year and I wish I had. Google Doc
The Google doc details the list of users' cubes included in the average list, as well as the full card list including which user's list the card appeared in and how many times each card appears exactly. So if you're wondering why a card landed where it did, you can check the doc to see just who's running it and maybe spark up a conversation with them about why.
Speaking of cubes included, I was able to get to 30 cubes this year, though I did have to stretch the criteria a bit. I got to 28 cubes looking at active users here on MTGS from the past few months. The final two cubes were recently updated (through Throne) cubes from CubeCobra and CubeTutor. Maybe this taints the list somehow, with them not being all MTGS users' cubes, but 30 lists seemed better than 28 to me. One thing I'll note on this is that you should all have a link to your cube in your sig. It's incredibly helpful. I probably could have gotten to more than 30 here on MTGS if more people had links.
Another difference this year from last year is the exclusion of Un and Conspiracy cards. I did this instinctively because I don't personally enjoy Un cards, and honestly, I wish I hadn't excluded them from the average list. This is personal choice of mine, but obviously several people enjoy them, so I think it would have been nice to see where those cards landed in the numbers for those that want to include them. By the time this regret settled with me, I had already calculated the data to a point that it was too late to go back and include them. I did miss a few (as you can see in the CT blog) and some are still included in the Google doc.
As to the data at hand, I've had people ask me why this list is somehow better than the CubeTutor average lists when I've linked last year's list to them. To answer that question and explain why I think this list is helpful, I'd say that, while this is a much smaller sample size, all of the cubes included are owned by cubers who have updated their list within the last three months. Most of them being active members participating in discussion happening on MTGS (the best Peasant cube community around). Also this isn't intended to tell you what you have to run in your cube. I personally just think it's nice to see what an average list looks like. Propaganda isn't a very popular card in the cubes included here, but my group loves it, so it's in no danger of getting cut.
With all that said, the last things I'll include here are links to the 2018 cube as well as a link to the CubeTutor comparison between the two if you're interested in seeing what changed from last year to this year. I thought about going through that info, but it's a lot and this post is long enough already. Obviously this thread is an open forum for discussion of anything interesting you folks might find in the compare.
2017 List
2018 List
CT Comparison
Cheers, guys, and here's to another year of discussing this fine format with you all!
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I feel like green should be the highest and red the lowest.
There is a lot of popular cards I disagree with but hey thats okay.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
The color scheme isn't really a "scheme" or trying to be anything other that just different colors. I just have to work with the colors that CubeTutor offers for tags. It's easier to keep track if you use the filter function on the view list page and filter down to only the ones you want to see.
Put a link in your sig.
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2023 Average Peasant Cube|and Discussion
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Glad my cube made theist this year, too. I have put a lot of effort into it and hope it helps the community in some way!
Thanks again for this!
http://www.cubetutor.com/cubeblog/36546
My Peasant Cube Forum
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/cube-lists/682833-360-peasant-hasteds-cube
My Riviera Live Draft Cube
http://www.cubetutor.com/cubeblog/35647
Cubetutor actually has enough red/orange/green tones for the list. Here is the original 2017 list I made:
https://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/91386
I only did a 'colorblind edition' because some people had problems discerning the colors. For me personally the regular list is far easier to read than the colorblind one:
https://www.cubetutor.com/viewcube/91402
You can add the 2017 list(s) to the op if you want, I think it's always interesting to see what changed over the years.
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My Premodern Battlebox
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Edit: Managed to get it work. Biggest surprise was that I had removed Mystical Tutor. Might need to add that back, given how I have a few Instant and Sorcery based win cons. Second biggest surprise was how stuff like Acidic Soil no longer makes it into the average CU/be. I feel like an old-timer for still keeping those cards in.
My C/Ube on Cube Cobra
This'll definitely help me bolster my considerations pile - there's a number of cards on here that I don't keep on hand.
[Developing] 430+ Peasant Cube Thread --- [and on Cube Cobra]
2023 Average Peasant Cube|and Discussion
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Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
Calibretto did it last couple times, and Phitt before that. It's been an amazingly helpful tool, but I'm sure it takes a ton of time.
2023 Average Peasant Cube|and Discussion
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https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/the-cube-forum/pauper-peasant-discussion/819580-mtgs-average-peasant-cube-2020-planning-thread
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