These hypothetical blowout scenarios concerning soulbond creatures not named stonewright are so few and far between I don't know why they come up so often in conversation. I really just don't see them often enough for me to care.
Wait Leelue why is Stonewright especially prone to blowouts? It seems like it would be more resilient, since you can just pump in response if you were counting on the effect. I haven't played with soulbond cards much though. Would you even cube with Trusted Forcemage, which (ironically) seems like it can land you in all sorts of sticky situations?
Both of these cards seem good; a point in wingcrafter's favor is that blue has so few decent turn one creatures.
Wingcrafter has been underwhelming for us, even under the metric of 1-drops. He's on my list of things to cut as we get new cards.
The Condor would be a staple for me if it was a 2/2, but asking for a pure upgrade over Wind Drake is probably being too greedy, especially on a common. It'd actually be pretty sweet in an Izzet aggro/tempo deck.
Wait Leelue why is Stonewright especially prone to blowouts? It seems like it would be more resilient, since you can just pump in response if you were counting on the effect. I haven't played with soulbond cards much though. Would you even cube with Trusted Forcemage, which (ironically) seems like it can land you in all sorts of sticky situations?
Both of these cards seem good; a point in wingcrafter's favor is that blue has so few decent turn one creatures.
That's what he meant. Every soulbond creature except Stonewright can be blown out.
Specialities about the cube: U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
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*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
@Sf45
I did play trusted forcemage. Not great, but not bad. Very filler-esque.
@Dirt
I'm playing Ninja of the deep hours and stealer of secrets and Tandem lookout. The first one makes for a pretty powerful combo with this guy. But in general I've turned my blue into this scrappy, tempo-but-no-loss-of-card-advantage color.
Anyone else running him in their cube that could tell me their experiences with him? He's such a limited trap in INN/INN/DKA draft that I just judged him based off of that. Does he get better in a cube? Does he have enough support?
EDIT::
Also, though it costsU, Faerie Imposter may not be a traditional 1-drop, but it has always had my interest. Do you think with enough ETB creatures it could be worth using?
Before cutting it I remember wombo-combo-ing it with ninjutsu.
The Condor would be a staple for me if it was a 2/2, but asking for a pure upgrade over Wind Drake is probably being too greedy, especially on a common. It'd actually be pretty sweet in an Izzet aggro/tempo deck.
considering i have avacyn's pilgrim, elves of deep shadow, fyndhorn elves, joraga treespeaker, and llanowar elves, i don't think i need any more mana dorks. as much as it pains me i may just end up replacing elves of deep shadow with the new one. or maybe fyndhorn elves just because it's old border and elves of deep shadow is wickedly beautiful.
I can't bring myself to cut any of them. Oh well, I like one drops anyways...
That's..... too much. I like it when green decks frequently have mana dorks since they make the very interesting and fun archetype of green midrange/ramp work. I like it when green gets identity like that. I don't like that you don't have to go out of your way to pick them up. Just like kill spells in black, counterspells in blue or burn spells in red, there should be at least the hint of scarcity, so that you actually have to decide between bread and butter and jelly cards. That makes drafting more interesting. With too many of these bread and butter card, picking them up becomes a non-issue. Less interesting drafting.
Just my two cents, feel completely free to disagree. Yes, cube can have a little more of it because hey, it's cube, but not to the point of actual abundance.
Specialities about the cube: U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
cube list outdated
*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
That's..... too much. I like it when green decks frequently have mana dorks since they make the very interesting and fun archetype of green midrange/ramp work. I like it when green gets identity like that. I don't like that you don't have to go out of your way to pick them up. Just like kill spells in black, counterspells in blue or burn spells in red, there should be at least the hint of scarcity, so that you actually have to decide between bread and butter and jelly cards. That makes drafting more interesting. With too many of these bread and butter card, picking them up becomes a non-issue. Less interesting drafting.
Just my two cents, feel completely free to disagree. Yes, cube can have a little more of it because hey, it's cube, but not to the point of actual abundance.
I don't think it is too much. People don't like having such redundancy in cubes, but in terms of deck power and card power, you really want to have mana elves preferentially over cards like Rampant Growth, Fertile Ground and Harrow, which are all in your cube.
I don't think it is too much. People don't like having such redundancy in cubes, but in terms of deck power and card power, you really want to have mana elves preferentially over cards like Rampant Growth, Fertile Ground and Harrow, which are all in your cube.
You're right, they're all better than Rampant Growth, but eight is a lot. That's probably more than 10% of his green section, that's roughly 1.8 percent of his cube. One out of 56 cards is one of these. You see 276 cards per draft, so you expect to see almost five of these on average. Even if they are picked after 1/4 of the pack, you still see 2-3 of them. I repeat my main point: Having fewer of these makes drafting more interesting. Cube construction is not about allowing the most powerful decks possible (or else you'd make a red section out of Jackal Pups and Lightning Bolts), it's about making an interesting draft and play format that spawns pretty powerful decks.
Specialities about the cube: U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
cube list outdated
*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
You're right, they're all better than Rampant Growth, but eight is a lot. That's probably more than 10% of his green section, that's roughly 1.8 percent of his cube. One out of 56 cards is one of these. You see 276 cards per draft, so you expect to see almost five of these on average. Even if they are picked after 1/4 of the pack, you still see 2-3 of them. I repeat my main point: Having fewer of these makes drafting more interesting. Cube construction is not about allowing the most powerful decks possible (or else you'd make a red section out of Jackal Pups and Lightning Bolts), it's about making an interesting draft and play format that spawns pretty powerful decks.
I'm not saying your way of doing it is wrong, just that having lots of mana elves is the more powerful option. Cube how you want, for sure.
To me, making a cube involves crafting a format that is as powerful and balanced as possible out of singletons.
The power-level thing makes me include the best cards or cards that make the best decks. If I felt like an eighth mana elf would make my green decks stronger without being oppressive, I'd do it. But I don't think it would make my green decks stronger than the card it would replace, so I don't. Also, I don't play cards that are 100% the same as another card anymore.
Yep, 8 dorks is a lot. It's an experiment (well, 7 dorks right now) that's gone fairly well so far, so I'll push it a little more and see what happens. Some of my drafters tend to overvalue ramp a little bit(and try to draft Gx midrange a lot), so it's not uncommon for a couple of the dorks to get taken by players who don't even end up in green.
i kinda like corpse hauler as well. a piker early, your best creature in the bin late. 5 mana for a raise dead is a LOT though. warden of evos isle is pretty spicy too.
Wait Leelue why is Stonewright especially prone to blowouts? It seems like it would be more resilient, since you can just pump in response if you were counting on the effect. I haven't played with soulbond cards much though. Would you even cube with Trusted Forcemage, which (ironically) seems like it can land you in all sorts of sticky situations?
Both of these cards seem good; a point in wingcrafter's favor is that blue has so few decent turn one creatures.
The Condor would be a staple for me if it was a 2/2, but asking for a pure upgrade over Wind Drake is probably being too greedy, especially on a common. It'd actually be pretty sweet in an Izzet aggro/tempo deck.
That's what he meant. Every soulbond creature except Stonewright can be blown out.
450, Peasant*, unpowered**
Specialities about the cube:
U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
cube list outdated
*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
Mhm
@Sf45
I did play trusted forcemage. Not great, but not bad. Very filler-esque.
@Dirt
I'm playing Ninja of the deep hours and stealer of secrets and Tandem lookout. The first one makes for a pretty powerful combo with this guy. But in general I've turned my blue into this scrappy, tempo-but-no-loss-of-card-advantage color.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
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i like delver, cloudfin raptor, and enclave cryptologist more than wingcrafter.
Anyone else running him in their cube that could tell me their experiences with him? He's such a limited trap in INN/INN/DKA draft that I just judged him based off of that. Does he get better in a cube? Does he have enough support?
EDIT::
Also, though it costsU, Faerie Imposter may not be a traditional 1-drop, but it has always had my interest. Do you think with enough ETB creatures it could be worth using?
Before cutting it I remember wombo-combo-ing it with ninjutsu.
CMy Peasant CubeC
On Cubetutor
Cloudfin raptor probably edges wingcrafter for me though,.but not by much. The looter doesn't.count since they belong in different decks.
I tried imposter.and it's not worth it.
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I've considered trying Kathari Screecher many times.
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My Peasant Cube thread !!! (380 cards)
Draft my Peasant Cube on Cube Cobra !!!
Elves of deep shadow and avacyn's pilgrim are waiting
Utopia sprawl is ridiculous
and you can continue having variety by including wild growth.
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That makes, what, 8 Dorks?
Just how I like it
Except that I have a LOT of green 1 drops now. These plus:
I can't bring myself to cut any of them. Oh well, I like one drops anyways...
That's..... too much. I like it when green decks frequently have mana dorks since they make the very interesting and fun archetype of green midrange/ramp work. I like it when green gets identity like that. I don't like that you don't have to go out of your way to pick them up. Just like kill spells in black, counterspells in blue or burn spells in red, there should be at least the hint of scarcity, so that you actually have to decide between bread and butter and jelly cards. That makes drafting more interesting. With too many of these bread and butter card, picking them up becomes a non-issue. Less interesting drafting.
Just my two cents, feel completely free to disagree. Yes, cube can have a little more of it because hey, it's cube, but not to the point of actual abundance.
450, Peasant*, unpowered**
Specialities about the cube:
U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
cube list outdated
*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
I don't think it is too much. People don't like having such redundancy in cubes, but in terms of deck power and card power, you really want to have mana elves preferentially over cards like Rampant Growth, Fertile Ground and Harrow, which are all in your cube.
Draft it on Cubetutor!
You're right, they're all better than Rampant Growth, but eight is a lot. That's probably more than 10% of his green section, that's roughly 1.8 percent of his cube. One out of 56 cards is one of these. You see 276 cards per draft, so you expect to see almost five of these on average. Even if they are picked after 1/4 of the pack, you still see 2-3 of them. I repeat my main point: Having fewer of these makes drafting more interesting. Cube construction is not about allowing the most powerful decks possible (or else you'd make a red section out of Jackal Pups and Lightning Bolts), it's about making an interesting draft and play format that spawns pretty powerful decks.
450, Peasant*, unpowered**
Specialities about the cube:
U tempo, B aggro, R slow-ish are supported. G aggro is not.
Currently trying to support tokens in all colors but blue, in different ways: W pumps them, B sacrifices them, R suicides them, G has decent-sized ones.
cube list outdated
*literal C/U definition according to gatherer
**some cards are banned. Library of Alexandria, Land Tax, Sol Ring.
I'm not saying your way of doing it is wrong, just that having lots of mana elves is the more powerful option. Cube how you want, for sure.
Draft it on Cubetutor!
The power-level thing makes me include the best cards or cards that make the best decks. If I felt like an eighth mana elf would make my green decks stronger without being oppressive, I'd do it. But I don't think it would make my green decks stronger than the card it would replace, so I don't. Also, I don't play cards that are 100% the same as another card anymore.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article