I really really don't want to put Final Fantasy cards (Or anything Marvel) in my cube, but I already put Lord of the Rings cards in there (also technically an AC card, but it's a reprint). It just feels weird to be okay with one and not the other, for no reason beyond I like LOTR and have never played a FF game
I am going to be very picky on the FF cards personally because FF doesn't feel like Magic to me. Warhammer, Dr Who and LOTR all had cards that felt magic like and some cards that didn't and I've just learned to add based on vibes vs a hard and fast rule because I don't want to add this is all the reason we need.
For me the lines were thrown out the window with Dr. Who. Never thought I would see "Time Lord Doctor" as a creature type line, and even the art was a hard pill to swallow at first; Sontaran General looks god awful but I have to run it because it's a better Charging Monstrosaur 95% of the time.
Hi all! Long time lurker, ~first time poster. Been drafting for a long time. For a while I had a paper copy of Leelue's cube, but now want to branch out and make some changes. Most notably cutting to 360 cards. Current list here. Also have a better drafting crew now so will hopefully get some more iterations. Looking forward to chatting more!
All you other lurkers - make accounts and come talk. Leelue barely ever bites these days.
I'm one of those biters recently myself. I saw there was a lot of turn off from FF spoilers but UB didn't seem to repulse as much until now so I wanted to contribute. I have a cube I've worked on over the years but mostly just theory craft since I rarely get to play nowadays. (Being on a largely remote island in Japan has that effect, as well as of course getting older.) Here's my cube if anyone is interested: https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/1mdin?view=spoiler
What's currently grinding my gears: the MDFC duals from MH3 that require energy to not be awful, particularly Rush of Inspiration. I love how MDFCs play and draft but can't stand the idea of putting these in, and I don't want an incomplete set. I guess Leelue already tried some of them and ultimately cut them (would be interested to hear more on that from Leelue), but I find them so appealing from a general game design standpoint.
All you other lurkers - make accounts and come talk. Leelue barely ever bites these days.
I'm one of those biters recently myself. I saw there was a lot of turn off from FF spoilers but UB didn't seem to repulse as much until now so I wanted to contribute. I have a cube I've worked on over the years but mostly just theory craft since I rarely get to play nowadays. (Being on a largely remote island in Japan has that effect, as well as of course getting older.) Here's my cube if anyone is interested: https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/1mdin?view=spoiler
Hey I follow your cube since 2021! If you don't have a playgroup to play your cube IRL you can always play online. I test with Leelue quite often using Draftmancer and Cockatrice. I have sent you a private message, check it out.
All you other lurkers - make accounts and come talk. Leelue barely ever bites these days.
I'm one of those biters recently myself. I saw there was a lot of turn off from FF spoilers but UB didn't seem to repulse as much until now so I wanted to contribute. I have a cube I've worked on over the years but mostly just theory craft since I rarely get to play nowadays. (Being on a largely remote island in Japan has that effect, as well as of course getting older.) Here's my cube if anyone is interested: https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/1mdin?view=spoiler
Hey I follow your cube since 2021! If you don't have a playgroup to play your cube IRL you can always play online. I test with Leelue quite often using Draftmancer and Cockatrice. I have sent you a private message, check it out.
Oh that's awesome, thanks for following my cube. I'll check out your message and start to network around.
I was waiting for Nexon so we can draft as I was writing this
"I guess Leelue already tried some of them and ultimately cut them (would be interested to hear more on that from Leelue)" Revitalizing Repast is far and away the best one. I've seen it played when it wasn't even fixing. Strength of the Harvest and Glasswing Grace have enough upside that if they stick they feel great. Waterlogged Teachings, Legion Leadership, and Stump Stomp are playable, if only barely. Unlike the two auras you're just kinda treading water when they work. The auras can at least give you a big spike of variance and win a game. Suppression Ray might be better in the kinds of environments where you expect to win a board stall because of it.
I wouldn't usually touch the other three. Even if the other side is still better than nothing. Shoutout to blinking Drowner of Truth with Ghostly Flicker.
What I would do, Trizeam, is play them on a case by case basis as gold cards. I don't think anyone would play... Waterlogged teachings if it was only a land for one color anyway. But some of the better ones of this batch would still make decks pretty regularly.
Wanna know something depressing? MDFCs (and their counterparts in the LotR landcyclers) don't really bump up the winrates of their decks in their home formats by much. It seems like they largely have an effect on our psychology as players more than an effect on the game. Troll of Khazad-dûm and Easterling Vanguard add to the deck's winrate by about the same amount. Sundering Eruption and Revitalizing Repast are the two with the highest winrates in MH3 and they're ranked as C+s on 17lands. Right around Scurrilous Sentry and Territory Culler. None of either Easterling vanguard, or Scurrilous Sentry, or Culler are bad cards, but they aren't exactly cubeable.
Fascinating thanks. How reliable do you think 17Lands data is as a predictor for cubing? I imagine that Cube decks, being overall more powerful, might care more about having better fixing, and would take another dual in their color. Although I guess these cards don't necessarily help with fixing more than a dual land.
8/10 reliable for generic effects that are neither synergistic in their home format nor in cube in some systematic way. Moreover, it'll temper your biases and your low sample sizes. I can't emphasize how useful that is.
Addendum: The three biggest differences between retail and us are the strength of aggro, the strength of removal, and the proliferation of both creature and noncreature tokens. Following up Crimson Caravaneer with Rosie Cotton of South Lane is still my single favorite sequence in our cubes, and it only works so well because the designers absolutely never intended for these two cards to be in the same time zone, never mind share a real format where their power levels are appropriate.
Secondarily, we get to accumulate control cards that are usually only given out sparingly. All the good sweepers, for example. I run a pretty extensive Red control section, and a lot of high end in Green.
Then there are cards like Essence Reliquary which just transcend time and space to become single-card top-tier archetypes in cube despite being trash in their birthplace. Lively Dirge is another card I find that plays significantly better here than in OTJ, for example.
The OFFICIAL peasant cube (suggested draft: Two 20 card packs.)
~450, Peasant
Please take your hybrids out of your gold section
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For me the lines were thrown out the window with Dr. Who. Never thought I would see "Time Lord Doctor" as a creature type line, and even the art was a hard pill to swallow at first; Sontaran General looks god awful but I have to run it because it's a better Charging Monstrosaur 95% of the time.
The OFFICIAL peasant cube (suggested draft: Two 20 card packs.)
~450, Peasant
Please take your hybrids out of your gold section
Mana-math Article
All you other lurkers - make accounts and come talk. Leelue barely ever bites these days.
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
I'm one of those biters recently myself. I saw there was a lot of turn off from FF spoilers but UB didn't seem to repulse as much until now so I wanted to contribute. I have a cube I've worked on over the years but mostly just theory craft since I rarely get to play nowadays. (Being on a largely remote island in Japan has that effect, as well as of course getting older.) Here's my cube if anyone is interested:
https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/1mdin?view=spoiler
(400, Peasant, medium powered)
Hey I follow your cube since 2021! If you don't have a playgroup to play your cube IRL you can always play online. I test with Leelue quite often using Draftmancer and Cockatrice. I have sent you a private message, check it out.
(400, Peasant, medium powered)
Oh that's awesome, thanks for following my cube. I'll check out your message and start to network around.
"I guess Leelue already tried some of them and ultimately cut them (would be interested to hear more on that from Leelue)"
Revitalizing Repast is far and away the best one. I've seen it played when it wasn't even fixing.
Strength of the Harvest and Glasswing Grace have enough upside that if they stick they feel great.
Waterlogged Teachings, Legion Leadership, and Stump Stomp are playable, if only barely. Unlike the two auras you're just kinda treading water when they work. The auras can at least give you a big spike of variance and win a game.
Suppression Ray might be better in the kinds of environments where you expect to win a board stall because of it.
I wouldn't usually touch the other three. Even if the other side is still better than nothing. Shoutout to blinking Drowner of Truth with Ghostly Flicker.
What I would do, Trizeam, is play them on a case by case basis as gold cards. I don't think anyone would play... Waterlogged teachings if it was only a land for one color anyway. But some of the better ones of this batch would still make decks pretty regularly.
Wanna know something depressing? MDFCs (and their counterparts in the LotR landcyclers) don't really bump up the winrates of their decks in their home formats by much. It seems like they largely have an effect on our psychology as players more than an effect on the game. Troll of Khazad-dûm and Easterling Vanguard add to the deck's winrate by about the same amount. Sundering Eruption and Revitalizing Repast are the two with the highest winrates in MH3 and they're ranked as C+s on 17lands. Right around Scurrilous Sentry and Territory Culler. None of either Easterling vanguard, or Scurrilous Sentry, or Culler are bad cards, but they aren't exactly cubeable.
The OFFICIAL peasant cube (suggested draft: Two 20 card packs.)
~450, Peasant
Please take your hybrids out of your gold section
Mana-math Article
The OFFICIAL peasant cube (suggested draft: Two 20 card packs.)
~450, Peasant
Please take your hybrids out of your gold section
Mana-math Article
Secondarily, we get to accumulate control cards that are usually only given out sparingly. All the good sweepers, for example. I run a pretty extensive Red control section, and a lot of high end in Green.
Then there are cards like Essence Reliquary which just transcend time and space to become single-card top-tier archetypes in cube despite being trash in their birthplace. Lively Dirge is another card I find that plays significantly better here than in OTJ, for example.
The OFFICIAL peasant cube (suggested draft: Two 20 card packs.)
~450, Peasant
Please take your hybrids out of your gold section
Mana-math Article