I actually didn't calculate that there was a 30% chance that you still don't have a third swamp by the time you're 16 cards deep. That went pretty counter to my assumption. So yeah, that side of the graph should have been depressed more.
I also dropped the ball on checking to see how deep it would be before you get -4/-4.
Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to peasant, so I'd love to get your opinion on Patron of the Valiant compared to other white 5cmc creatures in a 720 card cube. I never knew this card existed until Jump-Start, but I guess it's been around since Origins; still, I don't see it in other people's lists. I support +1/+1 counters and flyers in white, and it seems like a pretty solid body (4/4 flyer for 5cmc). Am I missing something about this card, or is it reasonable to try to find room for it. Forgive me if this group has already been discussed; I didn't see it anywhere in the last 15ish pages.
Here are my current white 5s; what would be the cut (if there is one)?
On an unrelated note I appreciated the discussion on the previous page regarding Scaled Behemoth, Plated Crusher, and Warden of the Woods. I like the crocodile and the treefolk personally because 6cmc in green seems easier to hit and break into in peasant than 7cmc - which seems abundant with good ramp bombs. I could be wrong though; maybe all three belong at 720.
Hello everyone. I'm pretty new to peasant, so I'd love to get your opinion on Patron of the Valiant compared to other white 5cmc creatures in a 720 card cube.
In a random flyers deck Patron of the Valiant is just a bad Serra Angel, which is a very mediocre card in CU/be already. If it was in my cube I'd almost always find 23 better cards to put into a flyer deck. The only deck where it can shine is a dedicated +1/+1 counters deck, and that hardly warrants wasting a a slot on it as even in such a deck you don't always have a bunch of creatures with counters on them when you play it.
You already run Elite Scaleguard, which also works in other decks and which is much better than Patron if you already have 2-3 creatures with counters on them.
From your list Cloudgoat Ranger is a staple people only cut if they want to reduce power level. Elite Scaleguard is very good and a no-brainer if you have any kind of +1/+1 counters theme in your cube. Don't have much experience with Syr Alin, the Lion's Claw yet, but he's ok I guess. I run Belfry Spirit mainly for the sacrifice theme in Orzhov I have running, but I could see it getting cut eventually. Serra Angel, like already mentioned, is a mediocre card and an easy cut if you need room. I'm not a fan of Oketra's Attendant either. Totem-Guide Hartebeest may be a pet card of yours, but you have 7 auras out of 107 white cards and 18 auras out of 720 total cards in your cube. Even if you end up with two auras in a deck this is hardly a great card and often you won't even get that. I wouldn't play it.
Notable omissions in your cube would be Custodi Squire, which is great value, and Radiant, Archangel (if you don't mind running online uncommons), which is great support for white tokens and flyers and a better alternative to Serra Angel.
I think I'd rather have Serra Angel over Radiant Archangel the majority of the time. You need another flying creature for them to be even, and then 2 for the archangel to outpace Serra Angel. But if you already have 2 flying creatures in play you are often times already winning and the Archangel becomes win more. You absolutely can't play Archangel in random white decks without many fliers, because as a 3/3 it's pretty garbage. Whereas, I can see playing Serra Angel in many random white decks and still being decent.
I think I'd rather have Serra Angel over Radiant Archangel the majority of the time. You need another flying creature for them to be even, and then 2 for the archangel to outpace Serra Angel. But if you already have 2 flying creatures in play you are often times already winning and the Archangel becomes win more. You absolutely can't play Archangel in random white decks without many fliers, because as a 3/3 it's pretty garbage. Whereas, I can see playing Serra Angel in many random white decks and still being decent.
Worth noting that Radiant is a very old card and so she sees your opponent's flyers as well. This is why I think she's a bit better than Serra Angel in general. Not only can she get beastly in the UW flyers archetype, but she's really good against your opponent's flyers too.
I think I'd rather have Serra Angel over Radiant Archangel the majority of the time. You need another flying creature for them to be even, and then 2 for the archangel to outpace Serra Angel. But if you already have 2 flying creatures in play you are often times already winning and the Archangel becomes win more. You absolutely can't play Archangel in random white decks without many fliers, because as a 3/3 it's pretty garbage. Whereas, I can see playing Serra Angel in many random white decks and still being decent.
There are so many flying creatures and so many token cards with flying in white, it's not hard to get 2-3 flyers with Radiant, Archangel out even in a random deck. In my cube about one third of the creatures (including token producers) have flying in my white section and I don't think my cube has more flyers than most other CU/bes. And it's not my experience that you're winning anyway just because you have two flyers out. Combined with blue in a skies deck it's just sooo much better than Serra Angel and in a lot of regular white decks that want a 5 cmc creature it's at least equal or better.
And like Calibretto said, it works with your opponent's creatures as well, which means it gets better if your opponent has flyers to block your own flyers, which is a huge benefit.
There are white decks where Serra Angel is better for sure, but the majority of time? Not in my experience. And the ceiling for Radiant, Archangel is insane - a single Spectral Procession (which will certainly not make you win the game immediately) will turn this into a 6/6 vigilance flyer for 5 mana, and when your opponent has a Serendib Efreet and a Cloudkin Seer out? Ouch, it's an 8/8 flyer with vigilance. Your opponent better has a Go for the Throat ready when that happens or he is done. I'm not even talking about the best case with a full Battle Screech or Lingering Souls combined with a few flyers on your opponent's side.
While the number of decks where you can play it may be more limited it is just far better in the decks where you can play it. And it's not like Serra Angel is a card I'm desperate for anyway, so I'd rather have one that is great in 50% of white midrange decks than one that is always just meh/card #23 in 100% of midrange decks. And that's coming from someone who loves old cards, especially from the 93/94 era and who wouldn't think twice about adding a nice CE/IE Serra Angel to his cube if it was good enough.
The Archangel is totally absurd and it's not even really close. The number of times it's a 3/3 is only slightly more often than the number of times it's a 7/7.
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Oketra's attendant is better than patron of the valient and the hartebeest, and I can entertain a case for it being *around* competitive with serra angel.
If you needed to cycle it early, once you embalm it later it is ultimately Gryff Vanguard + 1 toughness, and gryff vanguard is a card we used to consider playing on the low end.
Frontloading the card draw onto a turn where you needed it more is interesting. It means your average turn to get your flier is moved up by a turn some fraction of the time
And when you don't cycle it, you draw a 3/3 uncounterable flyer when it dies or is itself countered. That's really not a bad deal.
I just have a difficult time measuring the relative value of serra angel's common ability to take over with the bird's ability to be somewhat more removal resistant, have a safety valve, and synergy with self-milling. Intuitively I know the angel is better, but I wonder if the gap is not as large as it seems
If you heavily support +1/+1 counters Patron of the Valiant is fine, but most 360 lists don't as you need to go out of your way for it. At 360 I think the most people have in white is Relief Captain + a couple incidental counters (ignoring Elite Scaleguard which competes for the same slot). Basri's Acolyte is a reasonable recent power boost to the card which isn't too out of the way.
Oketra's Attendant was not good when I played it. A 5 mana 3/3 flyer is just about the worst use of mana in the average deck and cycling doesn't help that.
is the power of oketra's attendant not from the fact that you can cycle it and still cast it, or cast it twice? yeah a 5 mana 3/3 isn't great, but two 5 mana 3/3s in one card is a lot better, and a two mana mode on top of that is pretty great too.
I like to compare Oketra's Attendant to Custodi Squire. Squire gives you a better version of Raise Dead (is there a card that returns a creature, artifact or enchantment? Too lazy to look it up) and a 3/3 flyer for 4W, Oketra's Attendant gives you a random card for 2 and then a 3/3 flyer for 3WW. Now of course with Attendant you can get the random card earlier and you have at least the option to play two 3/3 flyers late in the game instead, but does that make up for the loss of speed and quality? Not from my pov.
Often you don't have the mana to cycle Attendant early and with a late Raise Dead+ you will almost always get something that is equal or better than a 3/3 flyer out of the yard. And that is of course more mana efficient as well. On top of that you have a WW cost, which can sometimes be a problem even on a 5 mana card. The only small advantage it has is that it's better against counterspells. But on the other hand Squire has the also small advantage that it can be abused with blink/bounce spells.
Not that anyone said Oketra's Attendant is better than Custodi Squire, but I think both cards are similar enough and the difference between them in terms of quality is quite big. Personally I don't need a bad version of Custodi Squire in my cube, which is why I never considered Oketra's Attendant. It may be good enough for a 720 cube though.
nOOb, how is Trophy Hunter running for you? I completely forgot it existed until I saw it in your list and felt the closest thing I can to nostalgia.
i haven't played a cube game with it in years but then it's also been years since I've played with my cube outside of solitaire so who knows. I remember liking it the few times I saw it in action whatever that's worth. Don't use my cube as a reference.
I don't think I've bought cards since like amonkhet.
I mean... That's still not a lot of them, and they're all pretty high on the curve so the best case scenario is something like a Pyroclasm on ETB from a 5-drop. Probably solid if you've built around it but it'd be really limiting and rather random since there's a world of difference between 1 and 2 damage from the effect.
I had a 10 man draft today. The most striking thing was that 6 people were playing full throttle aggro I believe. The rest were 2 ramp decks which I think did the worst), one graveyard value deck (which came in second), and one midrange selesnya build. I'm probably going to try and fit a half dozen control cards to try and motivate more interest in playing a slower build.
For reference, we did my preferred draft of 2 packs of 20 cards. Everyone's decks were therefore pretty strong.
New cards and borderline cards that stood out:
Basri's Solidarity got boarded out consistently, mostly because I just didn't have the men in order to justify the card disadvantage. I did have volt charge, but the potential synergy didn't motivate me enough.
Answered Prayers started in my board and probably singlehanedly won me a game in the finals. This thing is way too difficult to race if it comes down on curve.
Orzhov Advokist had its first bad day that I've seen, after many outings as a powerhouse. Turns out that against decks that aren't trying to race that are also more full of removal than yours, it is a liability. Also, jesus christ it's a liability vs devoted druid. It still completely ran a game or two, but I finally hit the bad end of variance.
Seasoned Hallowblade is so ******* obnoxious. We fought a boros aggro mirror and there's just no attacking into this man. A card in my opponent's hand is worth far less than a card on my side of the field.
Liliana's Devotee apparently had several games where it was the all-star. As far as I could tell there wasn't any synergy, just a dimir aggro deck.
Tymaret, Chosen from Death almost didn't get tested, as I struggled with the criteria by which I would allow a CC two drop. I landed on "It has to still be good on turn 4 or later". He was drawn late in two games and won both of them by threatening to pull the life total out of reach.
Thoughtpicker witch milled out a ramp deck, twice. And it was generally good most of the day.
Break through the line nearly beat me by itself, and it allegedly carried its deck throughout the tournament. In preparation for this draft, I did a 2-man with a friend and Break through the line drew a disenchant away from curse of shallow graves in game 2 based on the fear it put into his heart in game 1. Possibly a misplay, but the fact that he was this scared should alert our community to how high this card's ceiling is.
Beanstalk Giant was mainboarded by the strongest player in the room, which was a good sign for a card I was really going out on a limb for. This was the same deck that ran Artisan of Kozilek (which itself re-earned my respect), and the two of them helped me feel ok about possibly removing sifter wurm. I don't know if Howling Giant or those hard-to-target 6 drops will make it in yet but the big-ish green decks didn't seem short on beef.
Also, is forbidden friendhship the first card in history to produce two tokens that are the same size but with different abilities?
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Lastly, I was gifted about 120 snow lands from a friend, so I went out and bought enough to replace all my basics. So my update is going to take another week or so, but I think I'll finally be on team skred from here on out. It's like defile, but it actually scales properly.
Has anyone tried or had success trying a version of persist combo at peasant? We lose out on a couple decent combo pieces (Anafenza and Melira), but for the most part it's a bunch of common and uncommon cards. I'll also admit that it's a clunky combo and probably a clunky deck.
If you don't know what the combo is it looks like this:
If your sac outlet happens to be Goblin Bombardment or if your persist creature happens to be Murderous Redcap, then it doubles as your payoff and makes the combo a bit less clunky (but only just a bit).
Ideally you would be able to include enough pieces that are good in multiple decks that you could reasonable support it across four colors (WBRG), so it's easier to come together.
Anyway, I was just noticing that the deck is mostly peasant legal and wondered if anyone here had given it a shot or is currently running it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and experiences with the archetype.
Has anyone tried or had success trying a version of persist combo at peasant? We lose out on a couple decent combo pieces (Anafenza and Melira), but for the most part it's a bunch of common and uncommon cards. I'll also admit that it's a clunky combo and probably a clunky deck.
If you don't know what the combo is it looks like this:
If your sac outlet happens to be Goblin Bombardment or if your persist creature happens to be Murderous Redcap, then it doubles as your payoff and makes the combo a bit less clunky (but only just a bit).
Ideally you would be able to include enough pieces that are good in multiple decks that you could reasonable support it across four colors (WBRG), so it's easier to come together.
Anyway, I was just noticing that the deck is mostly peasant legal and wondered if anyone here had given it a shot or is currently running it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and experiences with the archetype.
In my cube, I run Kitchen Finks and Murderous Redcap, Rhythm of the Wild and Good-Fortune Unicorn, and a handful of sac outlets, including Goblin Bombardment and Viscera Seer. Even though they can assemble a combo, I only run cards that I feel are good enough on their own, outside of the combo. And yes, we have had it assembled a time or two, but the odds are not in their favor. All three components have to be in the draft, have to be drafted by the same player, and have to be drawn in the same game and played around the same time or at least without negative interaction.
I had Juniper Order Ranger in my cube mainly for this combo for a while before Good-Fortune Unicorn came out. It's a three color combo (even though you only need to splash for white) and with Demonic Tutor, Worldly Tutor, newer cards like Adventurous Impulse or Grapple with the Past and reanimation spells or Regrowth effects it's not completely unreliable. But ultimately it's a joke deck you draft once in 100 drafts, and that only if you know exactly what to look for.
Right now I still have enough cards to run the combo. No Juniper Order Ranger, but Good-Fortune Unicorn and Renata, Called to the Hunt, which is better. But also no Viscera Seer, instead most sac outlets cost mana, which is slightly worse. Though a Thoughtpicker Witch or even Vampiric Rites should end the game quickly as well if combined with Kitchen Finks/Good-Fortune Unicorn), but your opponent still has a turn or two to remove a combo piece, though he will most likely be far behind already at that point.
But ultimately it's super hard to get the deck together as in my cube you need Kitchen Finks, Murderous Redcap, Good-Fortune Unicorn and Renata, Called to the Hunt all at once plus at least 2-3 sac outlets, plus a bunch of card that help finding the cards you need plus mana fixing to get a three color deck to work properly. It can work out, but in a real draft you can easily end up with a train wreck of a deck if you end up with a few parts missing.
By the way, for people who run Temur Battle Rage: what kind of decks want this card? Do you support it with cards like Become Immense and/or Invigorate? Is that necessary?
I don't run temur battle rage, but the biggest reason why I run become immense is for viashino slaughtermaster and fencing ace. So I would imagine the only reason to run this card is because of that burst potential, which comes alongside a general desire to have one or two combat tricks where you can fit them in.
Obviously the deck is weak to removal, but haste (Lightning Mauler, Goblin Motivator, Reckless Charge or creatures that naturally have haste) helps a lot with that, especially in game 1. It's a fun deck and, at least theoretically, the fastest deck in my cube.
But overall Temur Battle Rage is a very narrow card of course since only few creatures have 4 power on their own. And especially in red alone that doesn't happen often.
Thanks for the replies. The archetype is definitely something to think about. It really only asks that you include a few cards that are somewhat questionable outside of the combo package. Most everything else is already pretty common in what you expect to see in a peasant list. I think I might give it a shot for a while and see how it works out.
@ArBoR4817: Your list will be super helpful with deciding what to run and what to cut to make room for it. Thanks for posting!
I also dropped the ball on checking to see how deep it would be before you get -4/-4.
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Here are my current white 5s; what would be the cut (if there is one)?
Cloudgoat Ranger (Not cutting this)
Elite Scaleguard
Syr Alin, the Lion's Claw
Belfry Spirit (I support tokens and blink as well as flyers)
Serra Angel
Oketra's Attendant
Totem-Guide Hartebeest (This is kind of a pet card and enchantment support, so I'm probably keeping this one)
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On an unrelated note I appreciated the discussion on the previous page regarding Scaled Behemoth, Plated Crusher, and Warden of the Woods. I like the crocodile and the treefolk personally because 6cmc in green seems easier to hit and break into in peasant than 7cmc - which seems abundant with good ramp bombs. I could be wrong though; maybe all three belong at 720.
In a random flyers deck Patron of the Valiant is just a bad Serra Angel, which is a very mediocre card in CU/be already. If it was in my cube I'd almost always find 23 better cards to put into a flyer deck. The only deck where it can shine is a dedicated +1/+1 counters deck, and that hardly warrants wasting a a slot on it as even in such a deck you don't always have a bunch of creatures with counters on them when you play it.
You already run Elite Scaleguard, which also works in other decks and which is much better than Patron if you already have 2-3 creatures with counters on them.
From your list Cloudgoat Ranger is a staple people only cut if they want to reduce power level. Elite Scaleguard is very good and a no-brainer if you have any kind of +1/+1 counters theme in your cube. Don't have much experience with Syr Alin, the Lion's Claw yet, but he's ok I guess. I run Belfry Spirit mainly for the sacrifice theme in Orzhov I have running, but I could see it getting cut eventually. Serra Angel, like already mentioned, is a mediocre card and an easy cut if you need room. I'm not a fan of Oketra's Attendant either. Totem-Guide Hartebeest may be a pet card of yours, but you have 7 auras out of 107 white cards and 18 auras out of 720 total cards in your cube. Even if you end up with two auras in a deck this is hardly a great card and often you won't even get that. I wouldn't play it.
Notable omissions in your cube would be Custodi Squire, which is great value, and Radiant, Archangel (if you don't mind running online uncommons), which is great support for white tokens and flyers and a better alternative to Serra Angel.
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Worth noting that Radiant is a very old card and so she sees your opponent's flyers as well. This is why I think she's a bit better than Serra Angel in general. Not only can she get beastly in the UW flyers archetype, but she's really good against your opponent's flyers too.
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There are so many flying creatures and so many token cards with flying in white, it's not hard to get 2-3 flyers with Radiant, Archangel out even in a random deck. In my cube about one third of the creatures (including token producers) have flying in my white section and I don't think my cube has more flyers than most other CU/bes. And it's not my experience that you're winning anyway just because you have two flyers out. Combined with blue in a skies deck it's just sooo much better than Serra Angel and in a lot of regular white decks that want a 5 cmc creature it's at least equal or better.
And like Calibretto said, it works with your opponent's creatures as well, which means it gets better if your opponent has flyers to block your own flyers, which is a huge benefit.
There are white decks where Serra Angel is better for sure, but the majority of time? Not in my experience. And the ceiling for Radiant, Archangel is insane - a single Spectral Procession (which will certainly not make you win the game immediately) will turn this into a 6/6 vigilance flyer for 5 mana, and when your opponent has a Serendib Efreet and a Cloudkin Seer out? Ouch, it's an 8/8 flyer with vigilance. Your opponent better has a Go for the Throat ready when that happens or he is done. I'm not even talking about the best case with a full Battle Screech or Lingering Souls combined with a few flyers on your opponent's side.
While the number of decks where you can play it may be more limited it is just far better in the decks where you can play it. And it's not like Serra Angel is a card I'm desperate for anyway, so I'd rather have one that is great in 50% of white midrange decks than one that is always just meh/card #23 in 100% of midrange decks. And that's coming from someone who loves old cards, especially from the 93/94 era and who wouldn't think twice about adding a nice CE/IE Serra Angel to his cube if it was good enough.
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Oketra's attendant is better than patron of the valient and the hartebeest, and I can entertain a case for it being *around* competitive with serra angel.
If you needed to cycle it early, once you embalm it later it is ultimately Gryff Vanguard + 1 toughness, and gryff vanguard is a card we used to consider playing on the low end.
Frontloading the card draw onto a turn where you needed it more is interesting. It means your average turn to get your flier is moved up by a turn some fraction of the time
And when you don't cycle it, you draw a 3/3 uncounterable flyer when it dies or is itself countered. That's really not a bad deal.
I just have a difficult time measuring the relative value of serra angel's common ability to take over with the bird's ability to be somewhat more removal resistant, have a safety valve, and synergy with self-milling. Intuitively I know the angel is better, but I wonder if the gap is not as large as it seems
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Oketra's Attendant was not good when I played it. A 5 mana 3/3 flyer is just about the worst use of mana in the average deck and cycling doesn't help that.
Often you don't have the mana to cycle Attendant early and with a late Raise Dead+ you will almost always get something that is equal or better than a 3/3 flyer out of the yard. And that is of course more mana efficient as well. On top of that you have a WW cost, which can sometimes be a problem even on a 5 mana card. The only small advantage it has is that it's better against counterspells. But on the other hand Squire has the also small advantage that it can be abused with blink/bounce spells.
Not that anyone said Oketra's Attendant is better than Custodi Squire, but I think both cards are similar enough and the difference between them in terms of quality is quite big. Personally I don't need a bad version of Custodi Squire in my cube, which is why I never considered Oketra's Attendant. It may be good enough for a 720 cube though.
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i haven't played a cube game with it in years but then it's also been years since I've played with my cube outside of solitaire so who knows. I remember liking it the few times I saw it in action whatever that's worth. Don't use my cube as a reference.
I don't think I've bought cards since like amonkhet.
Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
Have others used thundercloud shaman or is he old technology?
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UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
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For reference, we did my preferred draft of 2 packs of 20 cards. Everyone's decks were therefore pretty strong.
New cards and borderline cards that stood out:
Basri's Solidarity got boarded out consistently, mostly because I just didn't have the men in order to justify the card disadvantage. I did have volt charge, but the potential synergy didn't motivate me enough.
Answered Prayers started in my board and probably singlehanedly won me a game in the finals. This thing is way too difficult to race if it comes down on curve.
Orzhov Advokist had its first bad day that I've seen, after many outings as a powerhouse. Turns out that against decks that aren't trying to race that are also more full of removal than yours, it is a liability. Also, jesus christ it's a liability vs devoted druid. It still completely ran a game or two, but I finally hit the bad end of variance.
Seasoned Hallowblade is so ******* obnoxious. We fought a boros aggro mirror and there's just no attacking into this man. A card in my opponent's hand is worth far less than a card on my side of the field.
Liliana's Devotee apparently had several games where it was the all-star. As far as I could tell there wasn't any synergy, just a dimir aggro deck.
Tymaret, Chosen from Death almost didn't get tested, as I struggled with the criteria by which I would allow a CC two drop. I landed on "It has to still be good on turn 4 or later". He was drawn late in two games and won both of them by threatening to pull the life total out of reach.
Thoughtpicker witch milled out a ramp deck, twice. And it was generally good most of the day.
Stitcher's supplier and Mire Triton somehow ended up in a deck with 4 reanimation spells and Pharika's Spawn. List was saucy.
Break through the line nearly beat me by itself, and it allegedly carried its deck throughout the tournament. In preparation for this draft, I did a 2-man with a friend and Break through the line drew a disenchant away from curse of shallow graves in game 2 based on the fear it put into his heart in game 1. Possibly a misplay, but the fact that he was this scared should alert our community to how high this card's ceiling is.
Beanstalk Giant was mainboarded by the strongest player in the room, which was a good sign for a card I was really going out on a limb for. This was the same deck that ran Artisan of Kozilek (which itself re-earned my respect), and the two of them helped me feel ok about possibly removing sifter wurm. I don't know if Howling Giant or those hard-to-target 6 drops will make it in yet but the big-ish green decks didn't seem short on beef.
Sharktocrab had a night to remember, as he ended up next to Merfolk Skydiver, Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter, and Curse of Predation. Looking over my shoulder I also saw a lot of dice on Wildwood Scourge in more than one game, enough that I could imagine the hydra being played on 3 or even 2 and demanding a removal spell immediately.
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Draft it on Cubetutor here, and CubeCobra here.
Treasure Cruise did nothing wrong.
Also, is forbidden friendhship the first card in history to produce two tokens that are the same size but with different abilities?
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Lastly, I was gifted about 120 snow lands from a friend, so I went out and bought enough to replace all my basics. So my update is going to take another week or so, but I think I'll finally be on team skred from here on out. It's like defile, but it actually scales properly.
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430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
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If you don't know what the combo is it looks like this:
Sac Outlet (Carrion Feeder, Viscera Seer, etc.) + Persist Creature (Putrid Goblin, Kitchen Finks) + Counter Manipulator (Good-Fortune Unicorn, Vizier of Remedies) + Payoff (Blood Artist, Corpse Knight) = Infinite Damage
If your sac outlet happens to be Goblin Bombardment or if your persist creature happens to be Murderous Redcap, then it doubles as your payoff and makes the combo a bit less clunky (but only just a bit).
Ideally you would be able to include enough pieces that are good in multiple decks that you could reasonable support it across four colors (WBRG), so it's easier to come together.
Anyway, I was just noticing that the deck is mostly peasant legal and wondered if anyone here had given it a shot or is currently running it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts and experiences with the archetype.
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Right now I still have enough cards to run the combo. No Juniper Order Ranger, but Good-Fortune Unicorn and Renata, Called to the Hunt, which is better. But also no Viscera Seer, instead most sac outlets cost mana, which is slightly worse. Though a Thoughtpicker Witch or even Vampiric Rites should end the game quickly as well if combined with Kitchen Finks/Good-Fortune Unicorn), but your opponent still has a turn or two to remove a combo piece, though he will most likely be far behind already at that point.
But ultimately it's super hard to get the deck together as in my cube you need Kitchen Finks, Murderous Redcap, Good-Fortune Unicorn and Renata, Called to the Hunt all at once plus at least 2-3 sac outlets, plus a bunch of card that help finding the cards you need plus mana fixing to get a three color deck to work properly. It can work out, but in a real draft you can easily end up with a train wreck of a deck if you end up with a few parts missing.
My Old School Battlebox
My Premodern Battlebox
Persist creatures:
- Putrid Goblin
- Safehold Elite
- Kitchen Finks
- Murderous Redcap
- Lesser Masticore
Sac:- Carrion Feeder
- Thoughtpicker Witch
- Nantuko Husk
- Vampiric Rites
- Weaponize the Monsters
- Goblin Bombardment
Last part:Only Vizier of Remedies and Lesser Masticore are questionable. However, Masticore performs well enough in decks like reanimator and Vizier also combos with Devoted Druid.
By the way, for people who run Temur Battle Rage: what kind of decks want this card? Do you support it with cards like Become Immense and/or Invigorate? Is that necessary?
My C/Ube on Cube Cobra
I don't run temur battle rage, but the biggest reason why I run become immense is for viashino slaughtermaster and fencing ace. So I would imagine the only reason to run this card is because of that burst potential, which comes alongside a general desire to have one or two combat tricks where you can fit them in.
My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
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Obviously the deck is weak to removal, but haste (Lightning Mauler, Goblin Motivator, Reckless Charge or creatures that naturally have haste) helps a lot with that, especially in game 1. It's a fun deck and, at least theoretically, the fastest deck in my cube.
But overall Temur Battle Rage is a very narrow card of course since only few creatures have 4 power on their own. And especially in red alone that doesn't happen often.
My Old School Battlebox
My Premodern Battlebox
@ArBoR4817: Your list will be super helpful with deciding what to run and what to cut to make room for it. Thanks for posting!
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My CubeCobra (draft 20 card packs, 2 packs.)
430, Peasant, Very Unpowered
Why you should take your hybrids out of your gold section
Manamath Article