Doing this, black feels like a really strong colour. The noncreature base is really quite strong with the only mass removal, very solid recursion and strong beats. The only drawback I can see is how intensive the colouring is with all that BB
Recursion tops my list (Disturbed Burial) with all the utility creatures, followed by Pestilence which almost always has such a high impact on the board.
It's pretty obvious that with all the burn, red's non-creature section is very good even as removal. The x spells are better by quite a bit, and I rank the value cards (two for one or so) highly with rolling thunder and fireball doubling as possible game finishers.
Also Lanxal, I can't quite believe Kaervek's torch is THAT much better than Lava Burst. I get that you don't want to run that many of that kind of spell, but to me the difference in power there is so minimal that it will only influence my decision if both cards are in the same pack. There are no cards I'd pick over lava burst that I wouldn't pick over torch, in most situations.
If you're talking about Disintegrate, fair enough. All X-spells are pretty P1P1'able. I'll bump it higher. I'm not a fan of adding Lava Burst as another card to my Top 20, though, because then it's basically a quarter X-spells and it's basically a functional reprint of Disintegrate in my head (although I'm not making that official distinction for others.) Plus, I'm happy with my list reflecting how many X-spells I think should be in the cube.
If you're talking about Disintegrate, fair enough. All X-spells are pretty P1P1'able. I'll bump it higher. I'm not a fan of adding Lava Burst as another card to my Top 20, though, because then it's basically a quarter X-spells and it's basically a functional reprint of Disintegrate in my head (although I'm not making that official distinction for others.) Plus, I'm happy with my list reflecting how many X-spells I think should be in the cube.
Oh, if we're under the assumption that lava burst = disintegrate, then I see your point (I mentioned burst, not disintegrate as it was 21st or lower place, lower than disintegrate).
Of course it's your choice, but I don't really get putting less X spells in your list because you have less x spells in your cube. I think the lists should purely be about power, but that's just me.
Oh, if we're under the assumption that lava burst = disintegrate, then I see your point (I mentioned burst, not dissipate as it was 21st or lower place, lower than disintegrate).
Of course it's your choice, but I don't really get putting less X spells in your list because you have less x spells in your cube. I think the lists should purely be about power, but that's just me.
That's a fair point, which is why Lava Burst is off my list more for the = Disintegrate reason than that.
It amuses me that the best card (in my opinion) in G is technically a noncreature, but that card goes absolutely nuts if you can't deal with it. The spiders are really nice and I've felt that Penumbra Spider usually needs two pieces of removal or just stops attacks outright.
02 Capsize
03 Flood
04 Mist Raven
05 Repulse
06 Rushing River
07 Repeal
08 Narcolepsy
09 Errant Ephemeron
10 Man-o-War
11 Stormbound Geist
12 Stitched Drake
13 Waterfront Bouncer
14 Undo
15 Withdraw
16 Exclude
17 Gryff Vanguard
18 Miscalulation
19 Silent Departure
20 Thalakos Scout
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02 Disturbed Burial
03 Crypt Rats
04 Pestilence
05 Death Denied
06 Ashes to Ashes
07 Mark of the Vampire
08 Snuff Out
09 Crippling Fatigue
10 Twisted Abomination
11 Evincar's Justice
12 Grim Harvest
13 Doom Blade
14 Blind Zealot
15 Undertaker
16 Faceless Butcher
17 Okiba-Gang Shinobi
18 Tragic Slip
19 Pith Driller
20 Terror
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02 Pestilence
03 Death Denied
04 Mark of the Vampire
05 Crypt Rats
06 Hymn to Tourach
07 Undertaker
08 Twisted Abomination
09 Faceless Butcher
10 Ashes to Ashes
11 Blind Zealot
12 Crippling Fatigue
13 Terror
14 Doom Blade
15 Skittering Horror
16 Skittering Skirge
17 Nameless Inversion/c]
18 Duress
19 Death's Duet
20 Warren Pilferers
Doing this, black feels like a really strong colour. The noncreature base is really quite strong with the only mass removal, very solid recursion and strong beats. The only drawback I can see is how intensive the colouring is with all that BB
Recursion tops my list (Disturbed Burial) with all the utility creatures, followed by Pestilence which almost always has such a high impact on the board.
2 Disturbed Burial
3 Pestilence
4 Crypt Rats
5 Death Denied
6 Ashes to Ashes
7 Twisted Abomination
8 Mark of the Vampire
9 Evincar's Justice
10 Crippling Fatigue
11 Undertaker
12 Blind Zealot
13 Faceless Butcher
14 Okiba-Gang Shinobi
15 Doom Blade
16 Warren Pilferers
17 Chittering Rats
18 Pith Driller
19 Terror
20 Dauthi Horror
02 Grim Harvest
03 Pestilence
04 Death Denied
05 Unearth
06 Crypt Rats
07 Twisted Abomination
08 Ravenous Skirge
09 Dauthi Marauder
10 Dauthi Slayer
11 Ashes to Ashes
12 Crippling Fatigue
13 Evincar's Justice
14 Faceless Butcher
15 Doom Blade
16 Terror
17 Disfigure
18 Vampire Interloper
19 Liliana's Specter
20 Lose Hope
02 Ashes to Ashes
03 Disturbed Burial
04 Crypt Rats
05 Pestilence
06 Twisted Abomination
07 Liliana's Specter
08 Chittering Rats
09 Twisted Abomination
10 Dauthi Slayer
11 Vampire Lacerator
12 Carnophage
13 Doom Blade
14 Terror
15 Grim Harvest
16 Okiba-Gang Shinobi
17 Faceless Butcher
18 Snuff Out
19 Evincar's Justice
20 Dauthi Marauder
Ashes to Ashes being only that high P1P1 because it is so nuts in black aggressive decks. I don't pick it highly in most other situations.
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02 Disturbed Burial
03 Pestilence
04 Crypt Rats
05 Ashes to Ashes
06 Death Denied
07 Lilianna's Specter
08 Twisted Abomination
09 Okiba-Gang Shinobi
10 Evincar's Justice
11 Crippling Fatigue
12 Snuff Out
13 Doom Blade
14 Carnophage
15 Vampire Lacerator
16 Terror
17 Tortured Existance
18 Grim Harvest
19 Chittering Rats
20 Dauthi Slayer
02 Disturbed Burial
03 Hymn to Tourach
04 Ashes to Ashes
05 Crypt Rats
06 Okiba-Gang Shinobi
07 Twisted Abomination
08 Crippling Fatigue
09 Evincar's Justice
10 Tortured Existence
11 Snuff Out
12 Liliana's Specter
13 Death Denied
14 Doom Blade
15 Terror
16 Faceless Butcher
17 Stinkweed Imp
18 Vault Skirge
19 Skittering Skirge
20 Blind Zealot
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You like Twisted Abomination too much.
I disregarded the second one.
02 Fireball
03 Pyrotechnics
04 Kaervek's Torch
15 Disintegrate
06 Staggershock
07 Lightning Bolt
08 Arc Lightning
09 Chain Lightning
10 Brimstone Volley
11 Searing Blaze
12 Firebolt
13 Gathan Raiders
14 Blood Ogre
15 Slash Panther
16 Incinerate
17 Searing Spear
18 Fireblast
19 Rock Slide
20 Gorehorn Minotaurs
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02 Fireball
03 Pyrotechnics
04 Rock Slide
05 Kaervek's Torch
06 Staggershock
07 Arc Lightning
08 Fault Riders
09 Brimstone Volley
10 Firebolt
11 Slash Panther
12 Fire Whip
13 Chartooth Cougar
14 Magma Burst
15 Lightning Bolt
16 Chain Lightning
17 Plated Geopede
18 Fireblast
19 Gathan Raiders
20 Intimidator Initiate
It's pretty obvious that with all the burn, red's non-creature section is very good even as removal. The x spells are better by quite a bit, and I rank the value cards (two for one or so) highly with rolling thunder and fireball doubling as possible game finishers.
I'm pretty sure that you are missing Searing Spear in between Incinerate and Volcanic Hammer.
2 Fireball
3 Pyrotechnics
4 Rock Slide
5 Lightning Bolt
6 Staggershock
7 Arc Lightning
8 Chain Lightning
9 Firebolt
10 Brimstone Volley
11 Incinerate
12 Searing Spear
13 Blood Ogre
14 Slash Panther
15 Chartooth Cougar
16 Ghitu Slinger
17 Plated Geopede
18 Gathan Raiders
19 Gorehorn Minotaurs
20 Magma Burst
Good point. Fixed.
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02 Rolling Thunder
03 Lightning Bolt
04 Pyrotechnics
05 Firebolt
06 Fireball
07 Chain Lightning
08 Brimstone Volley
09 Arc Lightning
10 Kaervek's Torch
11 Disintegrate
12 Lava Burst
13 Plated Geopede
14 Incinerate
15 Searing Spear
16 Gorehorn Minotaurs
17 Splatter Thug
18 Fireslinger
19 Sparksmith
20 Rift Bolt
Also Lanxal, I can't quite believe Kaervek's torch is THAT much better than Lava Burst. I get that you don't want to run that many of that kind of spell, but to me the difference in power there is so minimal that it will only influence my decision if both cards are in the same pack. There are no cards I'd pick over lava burst that I wouldn't pick over torch, in most situations.
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Oh, if we're under the assumption that lava burst = disintegrate, then I see your point (I mentioned burst, not disintegrate as it was 21st or lower place, lower than disintegrate).
Of course it's your choice, but I don't really get putting less X spells in your list because you have less x spells in your cube. I think the lists should purely be about power, but that's just me.
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That's a fair point, which is why Lava Burst is off my list more for the = Disintegrate reason than that.
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02 Fireball
03 Pyrotechnics
04 Rock Slide
05 Arc Lightning
06 Lightning Bolt
07 Chain Lightning
08 Brimstone Volley
09 Firebolt
10 Gorehorn Minotaurs
11 Bladetusk Boar
12 Blood Ogre
13 Fireslinger
14 Emberwilde Augur
15 Adder-Staff Boggart
16 Incinerate
17 Lash Out
18 Searing Blaze
19 Searing Spear
20 Fireblast
Red is very easy to rank.
02 Staggershock
03 Pyrotechnics
04 Kaervek's Torch
05 Rock Slide
06 Chartooth Cougar
07 Lightning Bolt
08 Keldon Marauders
09 Ghitu Slinger
10 Fireslinger
11 Gathan Raiders
12 Brimstone Volley
13 Arc Lightning
14 Sparksmith
15 Slash Panther
16 Incinerate and Searing Spear
17 Firebolt
18 Plated Geopede
19 Fault Riders
20 Reckless Charge
Note: I don't run Fireball or Chain Lightning, otherwise they'd be on my list too
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02 Rancor
03 Sprout Swarm
04 Yavimaya Elder
05 Penumbra Spider
06 Wickerbough Elder
07 Wild Mongrel
08 River Boa
09 Mire Boa
10 Trusted Forcemage
11 Sentinel Spider
12 Grazing Gladehart
13 Cultivate (Kodama's Reach)
14 Harrow
15 Darkthicket Wolf
16 Quirion Ranger
17 Festerhide Boar
18 Havenwood Wurm
19 Utopia Vow
20 Prey Upon
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02 Penumbra Spider
03 Blastoderm
04 Wickerbough Elder
05 Rancor
06 Sentinel Spider
07 Yavimaya Elder
08 Kodama's Reach/Cultivate
09 Krosan Tusker
10 Ambush Viper
11 Moment's Peace
12 Grazing Gladehart
13 Silhana Ledgewalker
14 River Boa/Mire Boa
15 Simian Grunts
16 Nantuko Vigilante
17 Quirion Ranger
18 Tangle Hulk
19 Werebear
20 Citanul Woodreaders
It amuses me that the best card (in my opinion) in G is technically a noncreature, but that card goes absolutely nuts if you can't deal with it. The spiders are really nice and I've felt that Penumbra Spider usually needs two pieces of removal or just stops attacks outright.
2 Blastoderm
3 Penumbra Spider
4 Rancor
5 Wickerbough Elder
6 Sentinel Spider
7 Yavimaya Elder
8 Wild Mongrel
9 Trusted Forcemage
10 Darkthicket Wolf
11 River Boa
12 Mire Boa
13 Llanowar Elves (+friends)
14 Krosan Tusker
15 Cultivate (Kodama's Reach)
16 Grazing Gladehart
17 Simian Grunts
18 Festerhide Boar
19 Havenwood Wurm
20 Primal Huntbeast