MTG Salvation

1.) Flametongue Kavu
2.) Shrine of Burning Rage
3.) Rolling Thunder
4.) Surging Flame
5.) Searing Blaze
6.) Reckless Waif
7.) Genju of the Spires
8.) Lightning Bolt
9.) Chain Lightning
10.) Fireblast
11.) Jackal Pup
12.) Avalanche Riders
13.) Keldon Champion
14.) Thunderous Wrath
15.) Staggershock
16.) Firebolt
17.) Flame Jab
18.) Faithless Looting
19.) Plated Geopede
20.) Stormblood Berserker

I omitted Rolling Thunder because it is too strong for my taste.

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Flametongue Kavu
Fireball
Pyroclasm
Sulfurous Blast
Shrine of Burning Legion
Searing Blaze
Keldon Champion
Staggershock
Arc Lightning
Lightning Bolt
Chain Lightning
Brimstone Volley
Slice and Dice
Fire Imp
Reckless Waif
Genju of the Spires
Stormblood Berserker
Jackal Pup
Avalanche Riders
Fireblast
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I omitted Rolling Thunder because it is too strong for my taste.

You know how this thread says, "power rankings?" Yeah, it means that. I'm not going to use your vote for red because you admitting to excluding a card from the list because it is good. If you wanted to exclude it for some other reason (RR fireball is too expensive, better options at 4-5 for sweepers, whatever) I would disagree with you but still take your vote since I'm not trying to cook the data to agree with me.

Direction #1 is to rank the top20 cards from best to worst. Just like I told people to go back and fix their vote when they accidentally voted for an RTR card I am telling you to either fix your vote (and obviously Rolling Thunder should be 1st on your list if you consider it too good to even list) or give me another reason why it was excluded. I am only saying this because you gave me an unacceptable reason in the first place.

@Citynoise:
Well I'm allowed to vote however I like to, that's the basis of democratic voting. If I feel that Viashino Skeleton is the best red card I'm still allowed to vote for it as reds #1 although that obviously would be completely moronic.

I omitted mana drain in blue and will omit skullclamp for artifacts for the same reason because I feel they are overpowered for this particular environment and therefore not to be considered for a C/Ube.

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@Citynoise:
Well I'm allowed to vote however I like to, that's the basis of democratic voting. If I feel that Viashino Skeleton is the best red card I'm still allowed to vote for it as reds #1 although that obviously would be completely moronic.

I omitted mana drain in blue and will omit skullclamp for artifacts for the same reason because I feel they are overpowered for this particular environment and therefore not to be considered for a C/Ube.

You can vote for Mana Drain as the #1 red card too. This may be democratic but it is also a system and I am ignoring all votes that don't follow the system (note : Viashino Skeleton is Rakdos not Red).

If you omitted thunder because you feel its power level negatively warps a cube and is therefore overall bad, fine. I disagree with your reasoning but that is fine. I guess I took what you said before to mean something slightly different, more along the lines of "I don't like really good cards" not "I think really good cards are bad for an environment".

If you omitted thunder because you feel its power level negatively warps a cube and is therefore overall bad, fine.

This. It is a frustrating card to play against imho. I absolutely LOVE good cards, but the effect of this one is too much for a p(l)easant draft experience.

1. Rolling Thunder
2. Fanning The Flames
3. Fireball
4. Flametounge Kavu
5. Arc Lightning
6. Avalanche Riders
7. Fireblast
8. Slice and Dice
9. Firemaw Kavu
10. Lightning Bolt
11. Staggershock
12. Pyroclasm
13. Pyrohemia
14. Changeling Beserker
15. Keldon Marauders
16. Brimstone Volley
17. Keldon Champion
18. Gathan Raiders
19. Brimstone Mage
20. Stormblood Beserker

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Flametongue kavu
Shower of coals
Staggershock
Arc lightning
Keldon champion
Rolling thunder
Slice and dice
Fireball
Firebolt
Cunning sparkmage
Shrine of burning rage
genju of the spires
Fire imp
Magma jet
Lightning bolt
incinerate
Faithless looting
Reckless waif
Keldon megoliths
Jackal pup

Red closed, green open. I'll post results shortly.

My green rankings:

1.)Sprout Swarm
2.)Centaur Glade
3.)Sylvan Library
4.)Squirrel Nest
5.)Eternal Witness
6.)Jade Mage
7.)Grizzly Fate
8.)Pelakka Wurm
9.)Briarhorn
10.)Briarpack Alpha
11.)Imperious Perfect
12.)Joraga Treespeaker
13.)Acidic Slime
14.)Wolir Avenger
15.)Beast Within
16.)Triumph of Ferocity
17.)Deadwood Treefolk
18.)Regrowth
19.)Treetop Village
20.)Sakura-Tribe Elder

Are we going to consider llanowar and arbor elves as different cards

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Are we going to consider llanowar and arbor elves as different cards

Yes. They are functionally different. I know I have had times when Arbor Elf didn't make mana.

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Yes. They are functionally different. I know I have had times when Arbor Elf didn't make mana.

I suspect Leelue may have meant Llanowar and Fyndhorn.

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Same Card-Mind Control/Persuasion (only different name)
Same Card-Gideon's Lawkeeper/Goldmeadow Harrier (only different name/creature type)
Same Card-Fire Ambush/Volcanic Hammer (only different name)
Different Cards-Volition Reins/Confiscate (different mana cost/effect)
Different Cards-Carnophage/Vampire Lacerator (always optional cost vs sometimes mandatory cost)

Llanowar and Fyndhorn are the same I think.

While this may be a non-issue, what if they are functionally the same card but in different colors ala' Arrogant Wurm/ Reckless Wurm...

is that enough of a difference?

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Llanowar and Fyndhorn are the same I think.

They are.

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While this may be a non-issue, what if they are functionally the same card but in different colors ala' Arrogant Wurm/ Reckless Wurm...

is that enough of a difference?

I don't really know why you would think 2 cards with vastly different mana costs and color could be considered functionally indentical. This question doesn't really make sense to me at all considering we are voting on a color-by-color basis too.

No, i meant arbor
Ive never once had arbor elf not make mana. Thatd be quite the terrible hand.

I only brought it up because i imagined a scenario where we have like.. another 5 carnophage varients and none of them receive enough votes to crack the final list because of dilution

I don't consider Library for my cube because U1's are treated as rares for my cube, thus its omission from my list. I have no experience with it in the Peasant Cube environment

1. Sprout Swarm
2. Centaur Glade
3. Eternal Witness
4. Joraga Treespeaker
5. Deadwood Treefolk
6. Krosan Tusker
7. Blastoderm
8. Overrun
9. Regrowth
10. Phantom Centaur
11. Briarhorn
12. Beast Attack
13. Kodama's Reach / Cultivate
14. Acidic Slime
15. Rancor
16. Yavimaya Ants
17. Jade Mage
18. Recollect
19. Indrik Stomphowler
20. Hunted Wumpus

My green top20:

I haven't really participated in these votes thus far 'cause I'm terrible at ranking such a large number of top cards like this, but I'll give it a shot. I play green a lot.

PS @ Marsupial: you put Regrowth twice.


I have never lost a game where I successfully cast Phantom Centaur. That dude is the nut all over the place. Druid's Familiar gets honorable mention for just bein' crazy, for real. Rancor is the biggest pain in the ass in this game. Centaur Glade demands an answer or you just lose to it.

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I don't consider Library for my cube because U1's are treated as rares for my cube, thus its omission from my list. I have no experience with it in the Peasant Cube environment

1. Sprout Swarm
2. Centaur Glade
3. Eternal Witness
4. Joraga Treespeaker
5. Deadwood Treefolk
6. Krosan Tusker
7. Blastoderm
8. Overrun
9. Regrowth
10. Phantom Centaur
11. Briarhorn
12. Beast Attack
13. Kodama's Reach / Cultivate
14. Acidic Slime
15. Rancor
16. Yavimaya Ants
17. Jade Mage
18. Regrowth
19. Indrik Stomphowler
20. Hunted Wumpus

You voted for Regrowth twice.